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Re: Cleaning N900 FUD

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Originally Posted by mrojas (Post 551927)

I must say, we keep walking in circles time and time again, in many threads, but we won't break the cycle until this question is answered clearly.

Or until a Maemo 5 roadmap is revealed that addresses what people is asking for (more portrait, Java, profiles, etc).

I totally agree. Forget how Apple or Google handle updates. It's irrelevant. What is relevant is how good both companies are about lining out device support the day a new update is announced

Hell, I'm struggling to think of a company that does not clearly outline device support when announcing software.

Nokia, your seriously PR sucks. How you've handled N900 launch and Meego/Maemo/whatever are a prime examples.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD

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Originally Posted by wazd (Post 551810)

I just can't resist.
You all, ranting bout apple iphone updates are quite narrow minded.

First. iPhone 2G has half baked 3.0 update and won't be supported in the future.

Second. You're missing the point of actually open os. If iPhone user won't get an update - he's doomed to live with current software. If maemo user doesn't have a feature that he wants - he creates it with his own hands. Look at fmms or USSD dialer. Or many other apps. This is how it works here, welcome to the wonderful new world, where creators can breathe. If you came up with something worthy but you can't do it yourself - just ask the community, we're much friendlier than you think.

This is actually the weakness of FOSS. The unconscious thinking that "it's okay to break compatibility because the source is out there" probably costs billions of dollars. It's just laziness, it's not a tradeoff that stifles innovation. I throw away code all the time; that's part of the process. But I treat public API's with a little bit more respect.

Let's coin a phrase:

"You don't have to love the code, but you better like the idea."

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 551803)

I have hundreds of subscribed threads in this forum. Only a handful of them have any of this activity in them.

Yes, I've been increasingly relying upon this over the past few months.

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 551803)

If you're reading threads with sensational titles about topics which have very little solid information about them, you're asking for rants, FUD, and noise. I usually keep one or two of these threads in my subscription list for fun, but mostly I ignore them.

Based on the OP's emphasis on constructive dialog, I really didn't think this would be one of those threads, but I agree that I should be using better personal discretion going forward. In fairness to me, though, there have been a lot of threads with useful/constructive information that have gotten highjacked. I'm interested in MeeGo (for example) and the future of this forum and some of these conversations are getting drowned out or diverted.

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 551809)

I'll take exception to part of that with this caveat: proactive thread moderation, ie steering the topic, can go a long way toward defusing troll-type threads

Thanks for your efforts!

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD

I think this is really a clean up by Quim :-) Thank. May be you should lock the thread "Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not". I think since it will ignite the flame once more, there is no point for people to get even more angrier.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD

Great idea; however I quite don't see how this cleans up the FUD. Seems to have concentrated the FUD.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 551968)

Great idea; however I quite don't see how this cleans up the FUD. Seems to have concentrated the FUD.

It's a concentrated cleaning solution. Too much dilution, though, and it becomes ineffective.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD

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Originally Posted by craftyguy (Post 551929)

I totally agree. Forget how Apple or Google handle updates. It's irrelevant. What is relevant is how good both companies are about lining out device support the day a new update is announced

Sure. Please note that no new update has been announced, though. We haven't even made a first Harmattan pre-release. And MeeGo doesn't exist today even in its most unstable form.

Weeks ago I said in the oldest 'Harmattan in the N900' thread that there were new things in the pipeline and that before a Harmattan alpha release (promised for 1Q2010, working on it) it was really premature to discuss or announce anything.

This is still the case. Maemo 5 is still a fresh stable release in expansion, with new updates to come and more software coming to Ovi and maemo.org. Harmattan/MeeGo are in pre-alpha state, we haven't even put together an early SDK for the most adventurous developers, we haven't given any hardware details about the next device...

One thing is that some users have a high interest knowing what all this implies in terms of N900 support. Another thing is to expect official announcements and promises at this point, considering that the lack of it is unacceptable.

I'm not arguing the right to know. I'm only questioning this situation in which experienced users demand an annoucement about a release that hasn't been announced, before even a first most unstable pre-release is available.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 551968)

Seems to have concentrated the FUD.

Works for me! ;)

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD

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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 551987)

Touche Gil; what I meant by "update" was "new software." When Intel announced Moblin, they spelled out specifically what platform it was designed for (I should know, I work for them..). When Windows launches any OS, it's not long at all before they release system requirements. Apple is pretty blunt about telling PowerPC users which applications they launch will not work on their platform. Nokia has danced around the issue, by saying things like "N900-like devices".

Will I be upset if Nokia says "no"? Definitely.

Will I be upset at how Nokia is handling this whole situation even if they ultimately support Meego? Definitely.

In short, it's just a "yes" or "no" question. Really, it's that simple. I'd guarantee Intel would be in a world of hurt from customers if they announced a new processor without specifying what platform it would install in..

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD

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Originally Posted by ewan (Post 551254)

It seems to me that Quim is attempting to stem or corral the FUD that is spreading around the place. It further seems to me that there are two ways you can do that:

Stop people talking about this stuff, or less drastically restrict such discussions to particular places,
Give people some actual solid facts, and let the fears and uncertainties naturally go away.

It's not clear which of those two approaches the proposed wiki page/thread is going to be taking.

The second.