Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1071426)

Google bought Motorola mobile division purely for patents.

Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 1071530)

Just wait until they divide Nokia and sell divisions separately. Even in Motorola case there was a split - Google bought Moto Mobile only.

Originally Posted by MoJo (Post 1071546)

Nobody makes no allusions as to the dire situation Nokia is in. I get the issues Elop was brought in to handle, but because of the drastic "ripping the bandage" type of action undertaken at Nokia to even begin the transition has really exposed quite a bit of underlying weaknesses with Nokia.

The realization that Symbian wouldn't cut it; albeit public really created massive losses for Nokia. Choosing to go WP7 solely had made the level uncertainty too much, and revealed that OPK had many years to transition towards Maemo but dropped the ball. Nokia has lost credibility, and that is why investors have become skeptical and consumers have become even more so hostile. Also CEO's are of different Pedigrees, Elop is first and foremost the Mergers/ Acquisitions type of CEO. The next billion with S40's and 150million Symbian by 2015 were fantastical numbers that this community even found quite hard to believe and the projections are not looking favorable. Obviously if Nokia can make such an error, how can we begin to believe that WP7 will be a success? Nokia doesn't have the timing to wage a slow war where WP7 increases market share ever so slowly year over year. They need instant hits, across all product lines and the first negative report countering that narrative will spell big problems for Nokia.

Nokia can't even sell its hardware wherever it chooses anymore. They speak of phones and shelves with carriers being limited, but they forget to mention that at most 1 WP7 will be ready by years end and not a single N9 that is ready by September will be available at stores for Christmas and Holiday shopping spree. The truth is MS made it so that N9 never sees the light of day to the wide world market.

I have tried WP7, and said it many times before that it is actually a solid device albeit some things can be better. The issue with Nokia is that they leveraged the entire company on WP7, and I find it hard to believe that WP7 can make that difference. They should of did both Android and WP7 ... why not, what is stopping them?

So overall things don't look good and odds are Nokia will fail to revive, but it is doing a dual track plan. It is making it pretty to sell, and that has the highest probability of occurring. It doesn't take a genius to figure out ... WP7 if it doesn't sell well then Nokia is kaput, so what are the chances of that occurring. The guys who want solely patents can wait till negative numbers implodes Nokia stock. Those who want to protect Nokia's game plan have really a lot to lose ... remember MS will be taking a double risk, one that their OS is successful and another on Nokia as a business. The one who'll most likely make a move now is the company that wants to make a move into the mobile arena or strengthen it's mobile division. I think Samsung and Intel are key players in this arena. The deal between MS and Nokia isn't worth buying Nokia over ... they already have a bunch of partners, they may make some sort of arrangement where Nokia is partly invested in by MS as a minority stakeholder to ensure it gets through aggressive takeover bids and probably Nokia needs to cut the dividends, but that won't be good for the stock holders who only value that right now.

Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1071790)

The global mobile business is impossible to predict.

Originally Posted by Crashdamage (Post 1071775)

Google did NOT give their Android partners the finger. They gave them a big umbrella to protect them from storm of patent lawsuits and fees. The deal only strengthens Android's overall position. That has to be good news for anyone selling Android devices. IOW, if you sell Android what's good for Android is good for you.

The only negative for HTC, Samsung etc. is of course Moto is overnight a stronger competitor. But doubtful it will suddenly make Moto a sales monster. And doubtful HTC or Samsung are particularly scared of Moto. An increase in Moto sales will likely be at the expense of RIM or WP7 more than other Android vendors.

Originally Posted by Daneel (Post 1071782)

It will if google decides to differentiate the UI/Features on their Motorola phones, something no other manufacturer can do(sense is just a lame UI skin).

Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1071795)

Also, 'patents' are a ridiculous red herring for keeping clueless people confused. Patents have nothing to do with anything.