Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I like that last bit, and after this particular install (I tried it with an empty documents folder guy before the thread reached consensus that it was a problem, thus reboot loops*) I will be using the -f install for future SSU's. However, I was wondering why can't that be part of every SSU that nokia sends our way, IE why doesn't that run to begin with and report back if problems are encountered, or continue if they are not? Is there something crazy about that idea? if not, who would I recommend that too?


*I did revert my tablet to a more "stock" form before the SSU but alas...

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Hi all;

I'm glad I checked before applying this latest Seamless update.

I'm beginning to wonderf if dual-boot really buys me anything. With dual-boot, I'm always installing everything twice; once to SD, once to flash. I'm always afraid to install SSUs before Fanoush updates his stuff.

I've not been on the forums much because my n810 is essential for my job. I use it daily to accomplish critical tasks - mostly via VPNC and VNC, sometimes via OpenSSH. I use Garnet VM every 10 minutes or so. I have all the apps I need and don't plan to add any more. I've pretty much given up on ever seeing signal strength in Kismet; that's the only thing I need that I don't already have.

I originally went to dual-boot to my 8GB SD card because I was afraid of running out of memory for apps, but because I always update my flash to match my SD app-for-app, I guess that means that my Flash can handle the apps I have installed.

Seriously considering reverting to flash-boot only, formatting the 8GB card for data, and just being a quiet, safe user while I wait for Chrome or Firefox or something that works better than the slow, inadequate microB.

Suggestions welcome,as always.

$teve

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Given what happened with this SSU, I don't think that would be a bright idea.
You always want to be able to boot from mmc, because if something bad happens...but to do that you don't really need bootmenu (modified initfs)
Put the stock initfs and configure the tablet to boot from mmc ("flasher-3 --set-root-device mmc").
You can then:
Boot always from mmc, you can keep flash syncronized or not. If your system breaks or you want to boot from flash, turn off the tablet,extract the mmc card, and turn it on (it will boot from flash), and insert the mmc card later. Backups are very easy to do, keep and restore, just using tar.
Put a mmc without a linux system in it, and keep another mmc with a bootable system (a rootfs backup or debian) at hand, and keep flashable backups there. If your system breaks, you boot from that mmc card and restore the system.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I'd forgotten about my internal flash partition, kept it several versions behind, and was just using the normal one -- and I've spent days working on trying to my my tablet working in the wake of this "seamless" update. The internal flash backup is great. You can use your tablet when you really need it, and instead of reinstalling everything each time the seamless update wrecks your tablet:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...8&postcount=31

You can use the partition installed to your internal SD to make a full backup of your flash-installed partition, and restore it. (fanoush is amazing.) You don't need a full 2gb or 8gb or whatever, either -- my sd install partition is only 1 gb, with the rest for data. If you use your n810 for a job, I'd *really* recommend keeping a backup partition -- even if you don't ever use it normally, you can get at your other data and use it in a pinch.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I reflashed my N810 with 770Flasher on my Mac and had no problems. Well, IIRC, Step 3 was incorrect: I still had to select the firmware image from the file selector, but that was easy to guess. :)

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

A success story for a change... ssu update wwent well for my n800, both on flash as on sd, even though I had removed the pdfs etc from my homedir, and off courrse had to reinstall bootmenu twicce.

The good: button hang seems fixed
The bad : videocenter does not seem to work, and less stable overall(full tablet crashes every 2 days, and desktop crash almost daily.

Overall, the best version of os2008 for my n800 yet (Chinook was terrible). Kudos to nokia for the shorter time to fix.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Since latest SSU, I've been experiencing problems when using microb. Sometimes the whole system crashes and reboots on its own. Other times it looks as if all browser windows have crashed and closed--no more world icon on the left indicating a browser window is open--and yet a browser window IS open, with "browserd" as its heading at the top.

Anyone experiencing anything similar?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Since my reflash I havent had the same crashing/freezing issues. however I did have one episode where the "browserd" showed up. I am wondering what that is, where it derives from. This is a freshly flashed machine, I have installed VGBA iNES, evince, fbreader, and GVM only. dunno if my user actions count as "wierd" or ill advised, but the crash sure was.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

browserd is a daemon introduced in diablo to act as a kind of browser crash handler or something so that only the window relevant to the troublesome page crashes, not all browser windows...

but this is very much iirc...

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Yes, but well before the update:

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3627

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

My wireless stopped working failed NOT SO seamless software update. So I can'f fix my installation And my PC is not detection n800 via USB, so no reflash possible.
Any ideas? I was thinking of downloading whole repository to SD cards and try to update with that?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Reflash is possible, I'm sure; you're probably not doing the procedure quite right. But that's not the best solution anyway.

As for the network problem, that's been discussed some, but I haven't tracked it as mine wasn't affected. There's probably some info out there that'll help you figure out what packages, etc. are at issue.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!: All the issues I have found
 

Definitely is the post install scripts that removes /usr/share/pre-installed/MyDocs/.documents/ (I know because it made fail the second dpkg --configure pre-installed-documentation-rx34).
The first (and third ;)) one failed because I had symlinks in /home/user/MyDocs/.documents.
After removing the symlinks, recreating the directory /usr/share/pre-installed/MyDocs/.documents/ with a dummy file, a dpkg --configure pre-installed-documentation-rx34, a apt-get install and a flash-and-reboot I completed the update.
Thanks to maacruz message and this thread I avoided the reboot loop and having to reflash.
I hope next time the pre installed documentation won't cause these problems.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

After the Update i have more power drain - cpu is always jumping between 10-50 percent :(

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

That's vague, tell us which exact process to blame...

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

just updated this and tested with GPS, I thought that fist-time-to fix GPS signal is less than 5 minutes which is much more faster then the previous Upgrade. It works as if A-GPS is included.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Sure - Hildon Desktop always needs about 23% of CPU Time - eats Battery badely...

Also - maybe i'm wrong, but it seems to happen after i lock the device!

N810

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Finally braved this SSU as well - deleted the user guide PDFs, but also had many other random documents I've made. Update went through successfully and yeah, the web browser is even more snappier. Hopefully it'll be stable in the long term though. Onwards to cloning the OS to a 8GB SDHC card... and playing with Debian!

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I recently acquired a used N810. For what it's worth, I updated the firmware to 36-5 yesterday and have experienced no problems.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

More info please, a step by step guide would be very appreciated. How do you do it? did you backup? You have rotation installed? Upgrade from OS?

TIA,

bun

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

How can I go back to the previous version?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Reflash to the original Diablo and upgrade only to the point you want (easy), or go through manually adjusting repositories to old SSU versions and downgrading packages (harder).

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Well, for what it's worth, I couldn't get a reliable upgrade until I did the following:
1. Backup (using bundled Backup tool)
2. Re-flash.
3. Update (multiple times until you have the latest Diablo)
4. Restore from backup.
Seems to work...but what a pain!

- Jim

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Folks:

I don't know how many others are in the same boat as I am -- I have held off installing the latest upgrade in hopes that an easy way will be explained how to *avoid* problems, or (better yet) that a newer version will follow which will be *risk-free*. Are either of these scenarios realistic?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

How do I "Re-Flash" to a prior version? Do I get it from a link somewhere and then install it via a wire to my PC?

Then, how do I "update multiple times to have the latest Diablo"...?

Then, how do I "restore from backup"...?

I have a folder in my memory of a "backup" - can't I just activate that somehow?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Look at the wiki. It will necessarily be a previous version.

With the Application Manager or apt-get.

In my case, this was proposed automatically.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

OK, so I do the re-flash with that link's instructions.

Then, I go to the Application Manager and refresh for updates?

That's it? It will go back to the previous version or it will access and go back to my back-up?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

After the reflash, you'll get the first Diablo version, and after the first reboot, the system will propose you to restore the backup. Then you can use the Application Manager to do any update, including the SSU ones (I don't remember under what name they appear, but it is quite clear). Note that at this time, only the first SSU will be proposed; if you want the latest SSU, you need to install the first one, then it will ask you to reboot, and after the reboot, use the Application Manager again, refresh for updates again, and the second SSU will be proposed. Just install it...

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

So...I realize I'm preaching to the choir...but why are they doing this screwball combined-package update? The whole point of the lovely apt-get utility is to manage dependencies. As far as I'm concerned, the system update should just be a simple script with a bunch of dependencies for updated versions of modest, microb, etc. It would certainly make things far less draconian when doing a fresh flash install versus having to do multiple combined-package updates with reboots in-between. I rather like being able to sym-link certain User folders to my SD card, and I don't want to have to keep a bunch of foreign user-guides (rumored as possible causes for the update failures...I had done both). They're blunder has made me forever gun-shy on future updates.

However, now that they have made this mess, will future updates DEPEND on this unified package? They've sort of dug themselves a hole here. Whoever bundled this thing does not seem too knowledgeable about why apt-get exists and how to use it.

Perhaps I'm missing something. Is there a Maemo repository that DOES host all the Diablo applications and libraries where a person could update without a unified package. If not...why not?

- Jim

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

They're coming at this from "the way we've always done it" with cellphone firmware, and are trying to use the Debian package infrastructure implement the same approach of updating everything at once, and making sure the entire system is in a known state first. (This method avoids the assumption that packages are independent.)

Of course, that assumption is avoided in a better way with dpkg; packages specify their interdependencies, so any package can be upgraded in isolation, or with updates of any associated components. But they're not used to that idea, yet.

I think we're stuck with the current situation for Diablo. (I've heard that Fremantle will be different WRT updates; not sure what it will be, but hopefully just normal packages in a repository.)

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Well, we seem to have a chance of having at least preinstalled- documentation-rx*4 removed from osv.

That said, if somebody wants to help me get things started withe the Community Edition, we can solve most of these issues ourselves without waiting for Nokia. . . .

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

well, the question is, what kind of help can one provide?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Well, for the time being we need to experiment with packaging. See what works, see what areas are going to cause trouble, see what kinds of cool things we can get working, etc.

Specifically, play with the dependencies of osso-software-version-rx*4, play with the packaging of stuff like Modest and MicroB to see if we can unhook them from the OS to make them modular, and start dropping in community patches and hacks onto Nokia's packages and programs.

The wiki page outlines some of it, but we haven't gotten beyond the discussion stage, so getting some stuff to play with together is the next step.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I just did a re-flash and it went from:

V4.2008.36-5 to V4.2008.36-5

How do I get the version before V4.2008.36-5...?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Assuming you have a N810, go to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php and download RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin. As the filename says, this is 4.2008.23-14 (the first Diablo version).

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Thanks!

So, I have an N800 and I downloaded the one that's called:

RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Software Edition 2008 version 4.2008.23-14 for Nokia N800

I downloaded it to my PC and I downloaded it to my removeable memory card (in my N800).

Do I just run it from my N800? How so? Just click onto it? And then my device should reset or the OS will revert back to the one from April?

Thanks so much for pointing this out to me!!!

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

No, do not run it. Follow the instructions here.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Thanks.

Which is the link for the "flasher" that I wanna download on this page:
http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/

I mean, I downloaded: RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin - but now, I am lost.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin is not the flasher, but the firmware. Follow the instructions to download the flasher (I don't remember and the wiki is currently down) and reflash your N800; this depends on the OS you have on your personal computer.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Thanks.

OK, I got the Firmware installed on my Nokia N800.

Now, I am running the process to get Sirius playing on my N800 (again) and when I get to the part where it tells me to install "BeautifulSoup" (easy_install BeautifulSoup), I get an error that I don't have enough memory (which isn't possible, because I have 1 GB of internal memory and 2 GBs of external memory and I have nothing on either card. (Plus, it worked before.)

Link with Sirius instructions...