Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Ok, using bugzilla search *definitely* better idea than my google method.

However, depending on your search parameters,

sjgadsby and GeneralA would disagree with your numbers.

However, I think your search does include some they miss, such as ones that are not actually marked "fixed", but in the comments say "being considered for harmattan" and/or have the milestone for Harmattan.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

As said in my previous post, let's start talking in more detail about Maemo 6 after releasing the alpha SDK announced for this quarter. Please.

The excellent Bug Jars at http://www.octofish.net/bugjar/ reflect part of the work the Maemo team is doing on Maemo 5. Follow them every Monday if you are not doing so already. There is more for N900 users to come from Nokia and of course there is more for you to come from the Ovi Store and maemo.org Downloads.

And now sorry for the off-topic, I hope it helps to bring this thread (and others you are following) on topic:

"Generating noise" out of bugzilla/brainstorm resolutions and Talk discussions won't help the work of Nokia employees like me sharing information about unreleased software. Discussions degenerating in rants haven't helped anybody in any community I have been part of.

maemo.org is a community where people collaborate, including Nokia employees (in their Nokia role, on their own or both). Of course we can discuss and even argue with each other. As a member of this community I have been disagreeing with and thanking to plenty of contributors. Almost always there has been a big respect, and this is one of the greatest values of the Maemo community. This is how real communities work.

Now, everybody should have clear that this is not a customer care channel. If you want to exercise your customer rights or plainly complain as a Nokia customer there are several ways to do it. Ranting in maemo.org might actually count since Nokia actually listens, but it's probably the less efficient and more expensive way in terms of "community energy". If you understand what I mean.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

The problem here is, and it's always been "the problem" is that we're mixing an open source community and a business. The business, from Nokias point of view, still seems to be run along the pre-2007/Symbian phone release model.

Since 2007 however, the tables were turned against Nokia yet nothing seems to have changed - Nokia devices/phones are still obsoleted as quickly as possible. That attitude is unsustainable, IMHO.

The Fremantle/Harmattan situation is uncomfortably similar to OS2007 problem with no support for the 770. By the time anyone realised it wasn't going to be supported on the 770, it was too late in the development process. At best we ended up with the Hacker Edition which proved it would have been possible to support the 770 had it been a consideration earlier in the development cycle.

So when should we make noises about the potential lack of Harmattan support on N900? Wait until it's about to be released, only to be told "too late, sorry"? Or make our voices heard NOW? There should be few technical reasons why Harmattan cannot run on the N900 hardware - any new hardware in the Harmattan devices (eg. digital compass) would simply not be available on N900.

Other mobile device manufacturers manage this sort of multi-device support without any issues, so should Nokia.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

I always wonder how the semi-public bugzilla will be viewed by people no used to that sort of development model. I mean, would it be more acceptable to just not have a public bugzilla, not react to bugs and not have contact with some of the actual developers until the next version is out ? 'Cause thats pretty much what the competing platforms do. The 'forumization' of bugzilla is also a good indicator of this.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Sorry but there are facts that are not fixable by the community:
- Ovi Maps is not Open Source, and it is advertised by Nokia that N900 has navigation which is not true, it is an unfinished product... Telling that the community should make its own GPS software like Navit is just trying to get rid of their duties. If Nokia releases Ovi Maps for Maemo source code I think we get free navigation in a few weeks!!
- Most improvements that the community are suggesting for Maemo 5 are being pushed to Harmattan (and the most relevant ones I might add), so how can we not worry if Maemo6 will be available for N900?
- About being peaceful and not making rebellions, it seems to me like a hippie speech... everyone of us have to work somehow to make their living, and we gave a considerable money for our devices. Let's ask Nokia then if they will give us the next Maemo 6 device for free... I am sure they don't mind about money.

For instance, let's imagine you bought a new SUV car and realized that it didn't come with an advertised feature like 4x4 traction, and the seller tells you that they will only have 4x4 traction on the next year model, which will be launched in a few months, so I have to buy a new one if you want that. Would you pay someone to rebuild your car to add the 4x4 traction or demand that the seller deliver what was advertised? "Adding 4x4 traction" is not even feasible, therefore this example is very similar to the corrections that are being pushed to Maemo 6... and our brand new car will loose its value and get rusty...

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

You do understand that people can create an endless list of enchantments? Did you go through that list of 37 bugs? If I would get to choose 37 improvements that they did for M5, I don't think it would contain many of those.

Most of them are far from major bugs. Only small improvements that you would think happen in hundreds between major platform upgrades. The only "major" classed bug has a workaround in the second comment.

Mac OSX development environment?
Binding maemo keys with their own keycodes?
Changing the device name?

We might get these things with M6, on the other hand, when M6 comes around the targets might be moved to M7 or rejected.

This is completely within my expectations of step 4 out of 5 with Maemo. Just as I bought the device. I did not buy step 4 that magically turns into step 5. Sure that would be nice bonus, but I am not going to expect that. For me N900 was by far the best thing out there and I really needed a new "phone". I am happy.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Yup ... and so it goes. Why on earth do you think the new device will be different when you know exactly how Nokia operates. It is quite reasonable to expect the same for the M6 device, two months after it hits the streets it too will be unsupported and obsolete.

Caveat emptor.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Ok.... and this is one of the many reasons why I support maemo and believe it to be the best mobile platform: it *is* the most open platform I've seen for these devices.

How, though, does that change the fact that there is a few bugs and enhancements already, this close to after the device release, being pushed off to the next one?

Anyway.. When I went to lunch I realized this entire debate was folly - it's not like we're going to *change* anything by ranting on Maemo.org... and then qgil went and verbalized my realization before I had a chance to.. so I think I'll just bow out now.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

the best answer is! "if nokia doesn't port maemo6 to N900, then this is my last NOKIA, period!" I'll go for Android 2.0 instead. At least google didn't abandon it's devices.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

I also want to clarify something about the appeals to the council, just to prevent possible misunderstandings:

We are your elected representatives. We willingly take heat from all directions in order to help bring you the best experience possible. If you guys only felt it like we do...

That said, we have very tiny teeth. We certainly can't dictate any terms to Nokia. And while I can empathize with the sentiment behind an en masse council resignation, I can tell you I won't participate-- simply because I see my role and goal as larger in scope than being an advocate for device continuity (although that is certainly important).

Now... do I like the term "Fixed in Harmattan"? Absolutely not. We can laugh now with the distance of time between us and past unpleasantries, to the point that "Fixed in Fremantle" makes a cute tee shirt slogan, BUT the community has made it clear this is a "fool me once" sort of thing. It can't happen again.

As to Maemo 6 on the N900... something I want? You bet. Something I think Nokia should strive for? Very much so. Will it be a dealbreaker for me personally if it doesn't happen? No, and I would be disingenuous to say otherwise. But I could see it as a dealbreaker for "my" constituency and so in that capacity I will campaign for it as much as I can.

The council can't deliver any ultimatums... but I have proposed we craft a statement of our intent, reflecting the will of this community. There's been some push back but we'll see how it plays out. If there is no consensus, *I* will deliver a statement that addresses the community members with whom I identify (ie, "my" constituency).

It's a side subject, but I see the council as failing miserably when it comes to periodic resolutions and statements of intent, philosophy, etc. I will try to drive more of that. You deserve no less than the most transparency and critical messages we can manage.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

True... my problem is google spends as much effort into keeping you out of your device as Nokia seems not to spend updating their old ones..

It doesn't really matter what company you go with.. you're being screwed in some way or another. Which may be the reason I still wind up with an N900... lack of upgrade path or not - it's still better than Android... *shrug*. It just makes me vomit a little every time I pay a company that blatantly pisses me off... it happened when google Cease and Desisted Cyanogen, and it'll happen when/if I pay Nokia.

That's just the nature of the beast in the consumer world though..

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Ex-frickin-actly!

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

The decision of making Harmattan available on the N900 can be either come from a business or engineering point of view.

From a business point of view, it could happen that a decision comes from higher up saying "Make Maemo 6 available on the N900 no matter what", in which case engineers will make it happen.

From an engineering point of view, Maemo 6 could be developed until it reaches a point where it can be seen if it is feasible to make it available on the N900... and let business guys pick the broken dishes if not (angry customers, trade-in option, etc).

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Can I take you up on that? All I need is the phone # of the N900 product manager.

Official Nokia support via their 1-800 numbers does not bring me anywhere.

Or are there other effective avenues I am not aware of. Letter to the CEO?

http://theprodigalguide.com/2010/01/...-market-again/

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Well, the only advice that I can give to you if you're not happy with the N900 and don't want to collaborate in the community, is return it, ask for a refund. As already said here this is not Nokia care, and I think no one is here for obligation.
Extreme measures would only damage the community, nothing more than that.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

could some one out there porting MAEMO6 to NOKIA N900 please? if NOKIA won't do it then we are the community will do it.

Opensource OS can be use on most machine. i don't see the impossibility in this though. someone out there will hack MAEMO6 to work on N900. :) that is my hope!

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Can we trade in N900 for N920??

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Absolutely! We can clearly see how well 'FIXED IN FREMANTLE' worked out and how back-porting that is a smashing success, what with all the openness and availability of Nokia to its customers and all! So stop all your whining and just do it yourselves. heh

Hopefully, that's the cheaper one without the damned cell phone, with a bigger screen, etc,etc, right? Where did you get the N920 from? heh

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

What I am grateful for is that the software is open source (one of the reasons I bought the phone).

This means if the community really wanted to we could fork our own version of maemo and maybe make our own compatible version.

That's one of the benefits of open source - a company can't hold you to ransom and force you to upgrade. At least you have the freedom to modify the software.

Nokia have done some great things with open source specifically LGPLing the QT library.

If maemo 6 in not officially ported to the n900 then maybe the community can try. The problem for developers is if Nokia make maemo 6 incompatible with maemo 5 then developers will yet again have to port their software over.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

HAHA! I agree.. and I even like DCFC!

My N900 is great. I love it. And be it M5 or M6 - the PRESENT product will surely continue to work and click for me for the next 2 years. What comes then, only the stars will know (if at all...)!

The only thing I dislike: NOKIA's PR and CONSUMER MARKETING & SUPPORT. It's like: hello, you're the #1 mobile phone producer in the world, and you can't roll-out the N900 correctly and in a way that makes sense? The german Nokia MAC Multimedia Transfer webpage STILL doesn't even know, that the N900 exists!

Depending on how well Nokia can catch up with my expectations as an early adopter/believer and hopefully valued customer during these next 2 years, I will continue to support the brand or jump the ship asap.

Mind you, I come from a SonyEricsson P990i! So, in comparison with Sony, Nokia is still better :)

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Follow Mer. they are also working on N900 functionality.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

im going to trade my n900 for an n810!
no just kidding.

we just should boycott next device if maemo 6 is not backported. maybe some n810 owner did it with the n900. or demontrating in front of nokia factory and block the production for some months in order to remain the owners of the best phone for some time more. or we could develop it by ourselves since is open.

what we will actually do is: buying silently the next device like sheeps. ill take three of them.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

is android considered more open than maemo then? the xda developer community ports later versions of android to their phone and its also possible to port it to n900. thee community here wont be able to have a community port to n900 of harmattan?

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Well this is not within MY expectations, as I couldn't find any Nokia advertisments saying "Hey, this is the n900, step 4 out of 5!".

Furthermore I can't find any "Step 4 out of 5" label in any of these Nokia's official websites:

http://europe.nokia.com/find-product...#/main/landing

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

http://www.nokiausa.com/find-product...#/main/landing

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

This was discussed here.

There are more proprietary components making up the base of Maemo than there are Android. They both have proprietary drivers, but some of the other parts of maemo that actually make it function are closed off as well. The base Android OS is totally available for anyone to compile and use and put their own drivers in place.

Plus, using things like xda-dev's isn't the best way to express "openness" considering, as I mentioned elsewhere, cyanogen got a Cease and Desist order from Google for distributing their proprietary software (maps, market, etc).

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

lol nokia need to start taking advice from dominos pizza....

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

I am quoting myself on this to make a point perfectly clear:

In my opinion, there needs to be a business-higher-up type of decision that says "Maemo 6 needs to be supported on the N900, not matter the cost or the effort". Period. If more time is needed to further develop Maemo 6, if more money is going to be needed hiring developers, if money is going to be lost by launching the device later than intended, so be it.

If for X reason, it is just technically impossible to fit Maemo 6 in the N900, then a trade-in discount program should be launched.

But Nokia can't afford to alienate customers, that have put their faith and goodwill on this nascent platform in such a gross way.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Which aren't part of the base Android sources. Therefore you can't count cyanogen's run-in with Google against Android.

And while Maemo's governance is more open, it isn't obvious how much power it has nor does it give enough indication of future courses to quell threads like this or the other whiner thread.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Threads like this kinda drive me crazy - they did on Android forums too. Same complaints I heard there are here. Like Louis CK said "Everything's amazing, nobody's happy..."

I have in my hands right now probably the most amazing chunk of technology they've ever held. It's not perfect. But it's awesome enough to make iPhone 3GS owners stare and mumble. And still people can't just use it and enjoy it. As usual, they want more. When they get more, they want more.

In a nutshell...QT 4.6 is coming to Maemo 5, so likely (most) apps developed later for Maemo 6 will run on 5 with little or no work. So if we get Maemo 6 - good. Not get Maemo 6 - still good, we can still run most new apps on 5. Isn't that the plan?

And like with Android/iPhone, apps can add missing features/functionality. Jeez, my G1/Android 1.0 couldn't do hardly anything when it came out. When the G1/Android had the initial release press conference, people kept asking "Does it xxx?" And the answer was mostly "That sounds like an excellent opportunity for a 3rd-party developer." because Android 1.0 was crippled crap. I haven't spent time with an Android 2x device, but with just the default stuff the N900 alreadykills anything running 1.6 or earlier. I'm SO glad I got away from Google/Android! And the iPhone...well...it's just frustrating.

Look, the N900 works today. It will still work tomorrow, next week, next year. Updated or not, it's still good. I just don't see a significant problem.

Edit: I'm not saying Maemo 6 shouldn't be supported on the N900. I think it would be smart business and good customer relations if it is. Nokia should definitely listen up to what's being said. I'm just sayin' as a user, I don't see a major problem it it's not.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

No but I wasn't using against Android I was using it against xda-dev's... where a vast majority of those ROM's *do* include those components. Did you read my post? I did say the Android OS is more freely available for porting. However, most of those things on xda-dev's are *technically* illegal, except for cyanogen's new "legal" roms and some that take his methods of "copying" the proprietary components over.

I'm not quite sure what you were getting at with this...I *think* I agree with your second part if I am understanding it right.. Nokia has a more open ecosystem with regards to it being "your" device than either Google or Apple, however Nokia has very little in the way of announcements or customer interaction that I've witnessed.

As far as How much "power" maemo has? It's blatantly obvious to me... it's a GNU/Linux system.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

I've never been able to find anything official either, certainly not on their websites.

So where did this come from? Or is it just wishful thinking? Does anyone have a source quoting a Nokia official? :confused:

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Of course not. Blithely ignoring the contents of other peoples posts is what I'm supposed to do, right? More importantly, your sentence was phrased such that I read it not as a dig against xda-devs but against google (suggesting that because of that incident Android was less open.)

You misread what I said. GA noted that Maemo was more open due to its governance, which is true. The community has a lot of say in what happens. However, how much "power" the community has isn't immediately obvious, and it doesn't appear to be strong enough to quell ridiculous fearmongering regarding the future of the N900.

What you said about Maemo is a given. I wasn't talking about Maemo itself.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Yeah.. I just have NO idea how you got that from:
Oh, then yes.. in this case I agree with you. I like Maemo more for it's open governance, however agree fully that it's based operating environment is more closed.

While I would prefer that to be fixed.. I still see Maemo as the better choice.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Hello Maemo talk,

I just took a look at an N900 in store, and it looks interesting. There's a promotion on N900 until tomorrow (100euro off) so I need to make up my mind on whether to get it or not fast...

Could someone please tell me if Maemo 6 would be supported on N900 or not? If it's not, I probably would never buy a Nokia phone again.

Thanks!

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Subtle difference in reading. Not relevant in any case.

Well yes, it's essentially the only choice. Which is why I got my N900 and have zero regrets about it and can only facepalm at all the fearmonger threads.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Teemax,

Your guess is a good as anyones.

AFAIK Nokia did not release an official statement that Maemo 6 will run on N900. They also did not release a statement that it won't.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

I wouldn't say it's the only choice.. depends on what's important to you. I don't facepalm at "fearmonger" threads if that's what you're calling this because there is good info here and valid concerns about a device being left behind rather quickly after it was released.

If updates for the next 2 years are more important than access to your phone and an "open" community - then Android is the choice you would make as a consumer. If the more open OS, and a more free community outweigh a habit of the parent company to abandon projects... then Maemo is where it's at.

Just because there are a lot of "N900 FTL, Android iz teh bomb!" crap threads doesn't mean they are *all* that way. There is a valid point here.. it's just falling on deaf ears to anyone that matters.. that's all.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

I've previously stated what happened with my N95 with a flip of a switch from Nokia (loosing its most marketed functionality in my country). To say that I was dissatisfied would be a gross understatement. Yet, despite all that, I still ended up with N900. So far, at least in the past ~15 years, my experience with Nokia has been somewhat sour-sweet (one device awesome, one device crap), but that's usually how end-user dealings with companies are, and I don't think I can name more than a few companies that never f-ed me up. And I'm perfectly fine with that. That's just the way it is.

I'm just trying do differentiate myself from the resident whiners and express my point of view that goes a fair bit beyond the device in question.

In the past few months, and especially in the past few weeks since I've had the pleasure to dive in it directly, I felt in love with the Maemo platform. N900 is probably one of the best gadgets I've ever had pleasure to own, period. And even if Nokia is to declare that Harmattan won't be supported on the N900, and even if couple of bugs I find mighty annoying, or a couple of essential missing features are not to be fixed on it EVER, I'd still buy it. Even at its current state, it quite fulfills most of my needs, certainly more than anything pocketable out there, and I don't regret giving 630€ for it, not for a second. So, most of the whining directed towards N900, crying how `this will be my last Nokia if...` and similar sorts of childish emotional blackmails certainly ain't my cup of tea.

However, naturally, I do feel as a part of the Maemo community, and I do care what will happen with it in the future. And for it to have any future, IMHO, some issues must be ironed out. It's irresponsible for Nokia to treat N900 as a side-project now when it does have a `critical mass` of users - at this point, I'd argue, that N900 is more important for the acceptance of the Maemo platform than the next device. It's not that there will be no new users in the future, and it's not that whenever their device with Maemo 6 comes out it won't get its own `critical mass`, but by turning their focus away from N900 and towards the next device they will alienate plenty of Maemo early-adopters. And it will leave far greater dent in the Maemo platform acceptance than ever before. People will be rightfully disappointed if their `new shiny preciousss` ends up as Nokia's expensive experiment. And those people will advise their friends to stay clear from Nokia, and what's more saddening, from the Maemo itself. And with the present market and fierce competition in this area, Maemo will have a hard time to get through, so the public outrage would be the last thing it needs. I would like dearly for Maemo to succeed for a number of reasons that cannot even fit this board, and that's why I am concerned with the current status, and I'm asking Nokia to give the N900 more support. It will pay up in the long run for the both sides - Nokia and it's users.

And that is just from the user perspective. When I switch to developer perspective things get even more problematic. I've contributed to numerous more or less successful FOSS projects, and I actually make a living by developing open-source solutions or at least partially open-source solutions. Maemo as a platform, even if not as opened as I'd like it to be and as general opinion is, simply begs to dive in. But the bar for a developer is slightly higher than the one for a mere consumer - while the latter requires a simple money investment, the former also requires the time familiarizing with the platform, SDK, its quirks and glitches, its limitations... And without a clear picture of what will become of Maemo it's not very persuasive argument for a developer to jump in on the bandwagon. If the Maemo platform ends up as a catastrophic failure (I'm almost certain it won't, but you never know...) it's hours and hours wasted, and that's what professional developers are trying to avoid. I'm not talking just about me, I'm talking about big developers that are in the end what will define it's success on the market. And so far, Nokia seems too quiet on addressing the rising concerns about QT portability, the future GTK+ support, and such, not to mention how the platform will evolve and what will be required from the developers to stay in the game. How can I be sure that I won't need to rewrite my app from scratch to make it work in the future versions of Maemo? I'm not even sure that all the time I invest in exploring the Maemo structure will be of any merit on the future Maemo platform. Sure, we have a rough road map, we have more-or-less open Bugzilla, heck, we even have some of the core developers on this board, but that's just not enough, or at least is not assuring enough for major developers to dive in...

Without a more positive feedback and definite support from Nokia themselves, one has to ask if they are indeed serious on bringing the Maemo to fulfill its potential, or are we just serving as guinea pigs for some Nokia's side project that might as well never get to a place we know it could belong.

Just my 2¢...

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

I would really like to see the iPhone 3GS commercial saying "Still no multitasking!" ;)

Still, on non-marketing level, I feel Nokia has been pretty open about this not being a "full package" and more targeted to early adopters.

Anyway, here is an old article that quotes Anssi Vanjoki...
http://www.mobilenewscwp.co.uk/News/...ject_n900.html

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Assuming M6 ever becomes available for the N900, I can give my N900 to my brother while I trade up to the new M6 device (he tends to upgrade on a cycle about 12-18 months behind me and typically takes my old phone, currently an N85). With my N900, my brother can continue to buy more M6 applications from the Ovi Store as they become available, and I can do the same on my new M6 device.

However if the N900 can't run M6, and it won't be compatible with all the new apps in Ovi Store then while my brother may still want it, the selection of apps in Ovi Store that are available to him will steadily become more limited and in turn the income generated from him will begin to approach zero. Or my N900 may go into a drawer (I'm a hoarder, don't ask) if some of the more annoying bugs are never fixed in M5 as I won't want to be held responsible for giving him a sucky phone (he's not interested in being a Maemo beta tester), but either way Nokia will not see any more money from my N900, whereas it could continue to be a revenue generator if it could be given a new lease of life with M6.

The competition have recognised that while compatibility across devices may lead to reduced income from device sales (compared to the old "obsolete quickly, sell many" device mentality), this multi-device compatibility massively increases the size of the potential market for application sales AND it means that content suppliers can target many more end users, making the platform more popular which in turn leads to more device sales. Everyone is happy. :)

Literally every iPhone application works on every iPhone model - iPhone developers are not faced with having to choose if they want to support just the latest 3GS model ("and to hell with the other 20m+ non-3GS devices, didn't care about them anyway!") It's why the iPhone is so attractive to developers and content publishers alike - it's a stable, progressive platform and not one that chucks the baby out with the bath water with each OS release.

Leaving the N900 stuck on M5 with no M6 compatibility just makes it all the harder to convince developers and content providers that they should support the new M6 device and M6 OS, whereas making M6 available for the N900 means there will be a ready and willing client base (ie. market) from the word go.

Not making M6 available to N900 owners would be just sheer bl00dy madness.

Anyway, last comment from me on the subject for the time being. :)