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x61 2010-03-07 15:44
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyscraper (Post 558691)
Hi!

I was at the stand from Sygic at the CeBIT 2010 in Hannover, Germany!
They said to me that the software is already finished. But they're waiting for an response ("okay" or stlt ?!?) from Nokia.
->The Problem isn't Sygic. It's Nokia.

That is what I heard.

Skyscraper
PS: Sorry for my bad english. I'm German :D
Nokia has long ago abandoned the N900. They simply dont care what people here think. Period.

russo_br 2010-03-07 22:56
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by x61 (Post 558792)
Nokia has long ago abandoned the N900. They simply dont care what people here think. Period.
I wouldnt go that far... but there is no excuse for not having Ovi Store ready with paid content. It is a soure of incoming for both Nokia and developers, so it should be available since N900 launch date!!

I've seen a lot of members defending Nokia with the example that iPhone and/or Android also took some time to ge things running... Come on fellows, a lead company on mobile market like Nokia surely knows the competitors fault, and it is expected that they avoid doing the same mistakes!!!

How hard can it be to set up a web site for paid content?? (providing that they did plan ahead BEFORE launching N900, I guess that was the problem... they let things like Ovi Store, Ovi Suite, Maps, etc to be worked on AFTER the N900 was out... if I am right it would be a basic mistake from nokia management...)

shadowjk 2010-03-07 22:58
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by x61 (Post 558792)
Nokia has long ago abandoned the N900. They simply dont care what people here think. Period.
Have you even looked at these forums? It's full of thousands of people posting the same stuff repeatedly over and over again, on topics they have no clue about, without first reading their n900's manual, without searching the wiki, without searching the forums to see if there already exists a topic, and so on... If I was Nokia I wouldn't want to wade through this stuff either.

Heck, how many weeks ago did Sygic state that they've submitted the app to Ovi and are now waiting for Nokia to fix Ovi? 8? Yet every week atleast 4 people ask the same thing. Sad, really.

There's no point in answering questions and replying to people's thoughts when people don't read the answers.

russo_br 2010-03-08 03:55
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemope
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowjk (Post 559214)
Have you even looked at these forums? It's full of thousands of people posting the same stuff repeatedly over and over again, on topics they have no clue about, without first reading their n900's manual, without searching the wiki, without searching the forums to see if there already exists a topic, and so on... If I was Nokia I wouldn't want to wade through this stuff either.

Heck, how many weeks ago did Sygic state that they've submitted the app to Ovi and are now waiting for Nokia to fix Ovi? 8? Yet every week atleast 4 people ask the same thing. Sad, really.

There's no point in answering questions and replying to people's thoughts when people don't read the answers.
Consumers are waiting for something they expected a long time ago.... They won't just stop complaining while Nokia doesn't do their job right and fix Ovi Store for Maemo!! You may be the type of patient consumer who doesn't care too much how long it takes, but IMHO people should keeping asking to put some preasure on Nokia in order to gave N900 the priority it is not having now....

LordJuanlo 2010-03-08 09:07
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
I agree, we need a full turn-by-turn GPS app, I wouldn't have bought the N900 if Sygic hadn't announced that they will make this program, and that it should be ready in december. Now imagine how I feel (just like most of you guys), three months later and I still have to use my HTC Diamond in my car for turn-by-turn navigation.

Nokia doesn't look serious about the N900, and that's very sad, we have paid a lot of money for this phone and today it can't be used for turn-by-turn GPS navigation

cardiff-blues 2010-03-08 09:12
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
From an earlier conversation with a Sygic representative a couple of months ago. They told me they were ready to release the app but Nokia stepped in and wanted to do something with Sygic. In the meantime, Sygic have fixed a few bugs and made some enhancements to the software but I suspect that it was Nokia's involvement that has prevented Sygic from releasing this earlier.

rash.m2k 2010-03-08 09:26
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by x61 (Post 558792)
Nokia has long ago abandoned the N900. They simply dont care what people here think. Period.
Really? Did you even think about this post?

Clearly you are an inexperienced used frustrated because you don't know how to use your N900.

N900 lacks GPS, MMS and video calling - 3 features which are KEY, but there is NO doubt in my mind that it WILL be implemented soon, give the nokia developers some time.

In the meantime the N900 is basically a mini laptop in my pocket - the nokia dude was not exaggerating when he said it was a computer in your pocket.

rash.m2k 2010-03-08 09:30
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardiff-blues (Post 559579)
From an earlier conversation with a Sygic representative a couple of months ago. They told me they were ready to release the app but Nokia stepped in and wanted to do something with Sygic. In the meantime, Sygic have fixed a few bugs and made some enhancements to the software but I suspect that it was Nokia's involvement that has prevented Sygic from releasing this earlier.
Personally I think there is something more to this than meets the eye. Sygic WANT to protect their product from being copied, maybe the next major update (which is soon I think), will bring something that will allow this, thats why they are waiting.

I think it will be released before the end of this month, probably within before the 15th, we will have to wait and see.

AloxeCorton 2010-03-08 10:10
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordJuanlo (Post 559575)
I agree, we need a full turn-by-turn GPS app, I wouldn't have bought the N900 if Sygic hadn't announced that they will make this program, and that it should be ready in december. Now imagine how I feel (just like most of you guys), three months later and I still have to use my HTC Diamond in my car for turn-by-turn navigation.

Nokia doesn't look serious about the N900, and that's very sad, we have paid a lot of money for this phone and today it can't be used for turn-by-turn GPS navigation
Funny, I could have written that message - I have also kept my old HTC Diamond with TomTom for GPS navigation. I tried OVI Maps, Navit and Maemo Mapper and, even though the latter is almost usable for turn-by-turn, it hasn't yet attained the level of usability that I have come to expect from TomTom (aside from Navit, both OVI and Maemo Mapper are also meant to download maps dynamically which can be costly when you're not in your country).
I really don't understand why Nokia doesn't do an INCREMENTAL OVI map release -all they would need is to add dynamic routing when you stray off - regular routing already exists so this is a very minor thing to do. If this existed, I think most of us (myself at least) would stop whining...

russo_br 2010-03-08 12:36
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardiff-blues (Post 559579)
From an earlier conversation with a Sygic representative a couple of months ago. They told me they were ready to release the app but Nokia stepped in and wanted to do something with Sygic. In the meantime, Sygic have fixed a few bugs and made some enhancements to the software but I suspect that it was Nokia's involvement that has prevented Sygic from releasing this earlier.
I found out by Sygic technical support that their product uses Navteq maps, which is suspicious since Nokia owns the company... Check out the Ovi Blog comments where a Nokia employee named Niini confirms that Ovi Maps team are working on including turn-by-turn on N900.

My conspiracy theory is that Nokia is porting their Symbian version based on WRT (Nokia's webkit), to one based on Qt4.6 webkit. That would (theoretically) enable them to develop the same Ovi Maps application for both Maemo, Meego and Symbian devices. I just don't know what it is the deal between Nokia and Sygic, since having Ovi Maps with free navigation and delaying Sygic Mobile Maps launch at the same time it would destroy any business partnership...

teh 2010-03-08 13:03
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rash.m2k (Post 559587)
N900 lacks GPS, MMS and video calling - 3 features which are KEY, but there is NO doubt in my mind that it WILL be implemented soon, give the nokia developers some time.
Rephrase that, there is GPS, just not turn by turn navigation

There is MMS, its just not "OS integrated" at the moment. fMMS is the solution.

As for video calling, I wish that would hurry up too. The other half wants to video call me often.

andraeseus1 2010-03-08 13:56
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by teh (Post 559824)
Rephrase that, there is GPS, just not turn by turn navigation

There is MMS, its just not "OS integrated" at the moment. fMMS is the solution.

As for video calling, I wish that would hurry up too. The other half wants to video call me often.
I saw a post the other day that said video call was possible on the n900 with gtalk. You just can't initiate from the n900. SO, if some one else on a pc with a web came initiates the gtalk call from their computer you can respond and have two -way video chatting. i havent tried this personally as none of my friends have gmail atm. so i can't personally say how well it works if it works at all

http://maemocentral.com/2010/02/02/g...e-on-the-n900/

Dave999 2010-03-09 18:51
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardiff-blues (Post 559579)
From an earlier conversation with a Sygic representative a couple of months ago. They told me they were ready to release the app but Nokia stepped in and wanted to do something with Sygic. In the meantime, Sygic have fixed a few bugs and made some enhancements to the software but I suspect that it was Nokia's involvement that has prevented Sygic from releasing this earlier.

true...why cant sygic sell their sw on their webshop?

read the last line in this link.
http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/co...e-devices.html

come on nokia! do somthing. say somthing. release something.

cardiff-blues 2010-03-09 19:09
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 561585)
true...why cant sygic sell their sw on their webshop?

read the last line in this link.
http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/co...e-devices.html

come on nokia! do somthing. say somthing. release something.
I am beginning to think (although I have no proof) that Nokia didn't want Sygic to release their product in case it had an adverse effect on their plans with their turn by turn navigation. Hence they got involved with Sygic and it looks like they have been able to control the release of the software to their ends instead of Sygics'

Hossie 2010-03-09 20:01
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Why is that? They have no problem with Google Maps or Sygic on Symbian?

russo_br 2010-03-10 12:28
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hossie (Post 561663)
Why is that? They have no problem with Google Maps or Sygic on Symbian?
They have it because this companies invested on Symbian before Nokia decision to offer free navigation... There is a commercial strategy behind this offer, it is not just about selling more devices... Nokia intends to compete with Google Maps with 3rd party developed content to offer location based services, and with that in mind why would they want other GPS app installed on its phones?

cardiff-blues 2010-03-10 12:43
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
It's a very long shot but as conspiracies go - could Nokia be delaying the Sygic roll-out because they don't want N900 users using it instead of their own offering? Perhaps they want to get ovi maps with navigation on the N900 released at the same time so that most wouldn't even bother with paying for Sygic?

I don't know - just pure speculation on my part and perhaps I should just stop guessing and see what happens....

russo_br 2010-03-10 12:49
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardiff-blues (Post 562446)
It's a very long shot but as conspiracies go - could Nokia be delaying the Sygic roll-out because they don't want N900 users using it instead of their own offering? Perhaps they want to get ovi maps with navigation on the N900 released at the same time so that most wouldn't even bother with paying for Sygic?

I don't know - just pure speculation on my part and perhaps I should just stop guessing and see what happens....
I was thinking this is a possibility, specially since Sygic confirms they use Navteq maps for the Maemo version, which is owned by Nokia anyway. Sure it is pure speculation, but since there is no news for some time (PR1.2, Ovi Maps, new apps on Ovi Store and so on...) we have time to expend... I guess that's why Nokia release the PR1.1.1 update just after announcing Free Navigation for Ovi Maps with N900 left out, so we could be distracted for a while... :p

cardiff-blues 2010-03-10 12:56
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by russo_br (Post 562462)
.. I guess that's why Nokia release the PR1.1.1 update just after announcing Free Navigation for Ovi Maps with N900 left out, so we could be distracted for a while... :p
I guess it's all good fun and keeps this thread interesting with all of its twists and turns. I suppose with a little embellishment it could make a good film plot.

It would keep viewers on the edge of their seats: not knowing how it will turn out or when.

"Sygic Turns One Way - Nokia Turns the Other" - how about that for a working title? :)

rash.m2k 2010-03-10 13:03
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardiff-blues (Post 562466)
............."Sygic Turns One Way - Nokia Turns the Other" - how about that for a working title? :)
Nice :D:D:D:D

Dave999 2010-03-13 12:26
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Do you think nokia planned to stop voice navigation for n900 to sell more of the upcommmming meego device or are they simply incapable to fix it?

I Think both:mad:

LordJuanlo 2010-03-15 08:27
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
I don't know what Nokia may be planning, all I know is that I'm going out for holidays in just two weeks and still can't use my N900 for turn-by-turn navigation (and I need it badly). Nokia has no idea on how disappointed I am. My first and probably last Nokia phone for me, if things don't change soon.

Hossie 2010-03-15 19:40
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
So I tried commenting on their blog and tweeting them (@ovibynokia) but although they replied to other questions, they ignored mine. Great, isn't it?

Dave999 2010-03-15 19:48
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hossie (Post 568297)
So I tried commenting on their blog and tweeting them (@ovibynokia) but although they replied to other questions, they ignored mine. Great, isn't it?
thx fo trying.

tried mail several time - ignored by both nokia and sygic:(

reallllly want/need this....coming soon...no it's not

LordJuanlo 2010-03-16 10:44
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 568310)
ignored by both nokia and sygic:(
That's the worst thing any company can do: silence. Any of them should do some kind of press release and explain the situation to their customers (real and / or potential): what's going on, what are they plans, an estimated release date... SOMETHING!!!

gkosters 2010-03-16 16:53
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
There's some more interaction (with sygic) at their facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Syg...4932851?ref=mf

But still the message is, patience:(

x61 2010-03-16 16:58
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordJuanlo (Post 567486)
I don't know what Nokia may be planning, all I know is that I'm going out for holidays in just two weeks and still can't use my N900 for turn-by-turn navigation (and I need it badly). Nokia has no idea on how disappointed I am. My first and probably last Nokia phone for me, if things don't change soon.
Talk about needing the turn-by-turn on the N900. I got lost with it several times and nearly got involved in an accident by trying to "look" at the screen while driving. Isn't great Nokia is IGNORING any efforts customers have to get in touch with them?

*Sonic* 2010-03-16 18:48
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
330MB download from the sygic website, when you add uk version for N900 to your basket but you cant checkout it states coming soon

pacarey 2010-03-16 19:05
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by *Sonic* (Post 569598)
330MB download from the sygic website, when you add uk version for N900 to your basket but you cant checkout it states coming soon
It's been like that since Sygic first put it up on the website shop. Nothing new unfortunately.

dashti 2010-03-16 22:11
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
did it will help us from police camera's on the road ?
sorry for my english

jesuska 2010-03-17 15:03
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/co...e-devices.html

N900 is listed as Compatible, with a little star icon that says "new"
it also has a * .... refering to nothing.
Looks like i could go to checkout, with 59,99 euros for europe map
has anyone tried ?

cardiff-blues 2010-03-17 15:06
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
It does look like you can purchase it although I haven't tried.

zehjotkah 2010-03-17 15:11
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
I will try it in one hour.

alex25 2010-03-17 15:12
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jesuska (Post 570562)
http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/co...e-devices.html

N900 is listed as Compatible, with a little star icon that says "new"
it also has a * .... refering to nothing.
Looks like i could go to checkout, with 59,99 euros for europe map
has anyone tried ?
I just bought it. Downloading right now... (however it seems it takes 3 hours for downloading) :-(

radiowc 2010-03-17 15:17
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Nice! it can now be checkout if you are buying the Europe Map. Too bad not yet available for US Regions.

LordJuanlo 2010-03-17 15:18
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
So it's finally out???

cardiff-blues 2010-03-17 15:18
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Yes. It looks like.

berty 2010-03-17 15:23
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Wish they had UK only version. Pretty pricey for all of Europe with places I'll probably never drive too.....

luma 2010-03-17 15:24
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Downloading too... Need to wait 2 hours (or maybe 3)

:cool:

LordJuanlo 2010-03-17 15:33
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by berty (Post 570592)
Wish they had UK only version. Pretty pricey for all of Europe with places I'll probably never drive too.....
Not so pricey, €59.95 for the whole European continent seems a great deal to me. Years ago, when I bought my first TomTom device, the price for European Maps bundle was roughly €199, while the Spain standalone map was around €70


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