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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 392886)

You guys are way too damn ravenous if somebody has anything negative to say about the N900.

It's not perfect. Random reboots, some other glitches. And I'm one of the people that was wanting to get the hell away from that - I've had more than enough with three iPhone 3G in the last year, where each and every OS upgrade has been a potential disaster - 2.2x, 3.0.x and 3.x all have basically killed my iPhone.

So my disappointment reading about the problems people are running into is that it exhibits exactly what I'm running away from... a faulty experience, even if it's only just a few things.

I didn't expect perfection. But the things that is affecting people, I've already paid my dues.

You guys though... like piranha on the new posters that say anything otherwise.

That's a pretty broad brush there gerbick. ;)

But bottom line, what would sort of other reaction would you expect from a thread with this title and the poster's naysayer attitude?

Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)

Overall
- Scrolling anywhere is like a bunch of mini seizures, really close together. In other words, garbage. Why the hell is this not perfectly smooth like the iPhone? It's the same hardware.
- Missing features that make you go WTF: no playlists, no searching email.
- WTF do you sync with...you get OVI links from the factory yet you try ovi suite and you get "device not supported". Typical Nokia garbage.
- Desktop widgets are cool but take facebook and news...you get 2-3 lines that keep scrolling and no way to make the widget larger. Completely useless.
- Music player widget is great but does not work with A2DP. Why?
- RSS reader is slow as hell to update (wifi or not). Scrolling is painfull at best.
- Transitions in the OS are nice but they often turn choppy and fail altogether. If you want to use transitions see that 2 year old device...what was it again...oh yeah.
- Try playing music and going online at the same time. The choppy scrolling gets even worse. Can I still scroll in the browser? Yeah. Is it painful as hell? Yeah.

Browser:

- Scrolling through bookmarks is slow as hell. Why?
- Scrolling through pages you get the checkered pattern VERY often. Sometimes you sit there for 3-5 seconds waiting for the scroll to catch up. WTF?
- Sometimes the pages get messed up with previous pages. Half the page would be the current page, half the previous page. You have to either reload the page or scroll over the messed up area to refresh it. WTF?
- Clicking back brings up this nifty history view. Nice. Now I have to factor in 5-10 seconds every time I want to click back? Have a history button and have the back button do just that: TAKE YOU BACK. No, I don't want to press backspace.
- Flash...yeah it does flash and youtube videos. If you feel like waiting 20 seconds for the video to catch up to the audio every time you move the page while playing the video then this device is for you.

Conclusion

I could go on and on but in a few words: THIS PHONE IS GARBAGE. I like it for what it can do but it doesn't do anything better than other phones out there. The experience is still painful. All the fragmented scrolling and painfull transitions make you feel like you're asking the device to do too much. Over-planned features are everywhere and yet not fully implemented (widgets, what widgets?). Basic functions are missing.

Where are the apps? WTF do you sync with? Why isn't there a central support page for this phone..etc.etc. I don't think Nokia has their stuff together and doubt they ever will. For me, this was Nokia's last chance to continue earning my business after all the garbage I bought from them over the years. Let's see how it pans out with some firmware updates but I am starting to get the feeling we're all wasting our time.

This got me thinking what did those 300 N900 testers really tested?

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Originally Posted by x61 (Post 396791)

This got me thinking what did those 300 N900 testers really tested?

"love is blind"

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Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 395050)

iPhone:

1. Press sturdy button on top, slide finger on glass to unlock....great feeling.
2. Press safari and watch the butter smooth zoom efect while it oppens.
3. Start scrolling through the page looking for stuff...perfectly smooth scrolling.
4. Throw the phone back in my pocket...done.

N900:

1. LOOK for the button on the side and slide it down...or press the button on top.
2. If button on top, slide my finger across the display, watch the choppy animation of the slider...hmmm.
3. Press the browser and wonder what happened to the other 30 frames that were dropped from the zoom effect while it pops up
4. Go to a page and try scrolling while it's loading and watch checkered patterns for a good 5 seconds every time I scroll.
5. Done loading, I can finally find stuff.
6. LOOK for the button on the side to lock the phone and put it back in my pocket.

Genuine questions:

Don't you have to lock the iPhone before you put it back in your pocket?
And do you think the N900 physical lock button on the side could be found by feel only, after getting used to it?

I know that I initially found the physical lock button on the N810 tricky to use, but now I can use it without looking, which is why I was wondering about the N900 equivalent. I'm not going to comment on the animation/browser/scrolling smoothness, as I have neither an N900 nor iPhone.

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Originally Posted by MontyBravo (Post 396587)

Right, I assume you have not noticed the large number of complaints on this forum with, rebooting , bricked phones, no support for MFE with 2003 only 2004. I simply cannot be bothered to detail all of these separate posts and threads. If you refuse to notice these posts, not my problem.

Actually no, thank you for the link.

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have a look at this post for an example of missing features listed from an end user.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35259

That one I had red, I just didn't pay attention as all those features I don't care about.

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I imagine your next point will be , its not a phone, its ok the community will sort this out. For my hard earned case I do not expect to have to wait for basic features to be on a device and for the community to fix this.

I'm not sure if anyone forced you to buy the phone? I wasn't. I just wanted to know why you didn't like it if there was something important I'm missing.

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No I do not own one, friend does, have used it, looks great, lots missing, and it rebooted on him as he was showing me a demo of it.

That's unfortunate, I haven't even seen one yet. In any case if I needed a phone and had the money, I think I would still buy it - with its shortcomings.

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Most nokia phones (high end/midrange) have software for document editing (yes it does cost money as do apps in most app stores for phones). N900, not an option full stop.

I'm willing to give maybe a week or two for Dataviz to bring out the full version of document 2 go, I'm pretty sure they have never had full version ready for a new product launch. Even the iPhone version was released this summer. kOffice can't be that far away either.

We just happen to look the situation differently, I want to see the glass half full, and you, well almost empty.

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Originally Posted by DaveP1 (Post 396695)

1) As a computer, the N900 sucks because it is too slow, too limited, and the screen is too small for anything but web browsing. As a successor to the N810, it's fine, but the N810 is basically a PDA. My N810 replaced an old Palm TX and, besides the faster processor and better screen, doesn't have any more capabilities.

If Nokia wishes to release a mobile computer, Nokia (not the Maemo community) needs to, at a minimum, upgrade the processor, put Firefox (not just Fennec), OpenOffice, Java, and the current Adobe Flash on the device out of the box, and increase the screen to at least 4.5 inches.

2) As a smartphone, Nokia needs to produce a device that, out of the box, does everything that both the iPhone and Droid both do and, ideally, it should do everything either the iPhone and Droid do. Actually, since the device will not be available for some time, it will have to do what the equivalent devices do at the time it is released.

Again, this needs to be out of the box. Consumers don't need or want to be told that some open source developer is working on it. They expect that the manufacturer will provide it.

1. Respectfully disagree. I think the N900 is a perfect beginning of a new class of mobile computer. In this regard, the iPhone or the Droid has got nothing on it, simply because they are more smartphones and not fully open mobile computers. Of course I hope the future sees other form-factors, maybe bigger screens and so forth for versatility and to meet requirements such as yours. But you disagree and that is fine, my point was this: Whatever shortcomings the N900 may have as a mobile computer, those are fair game in my opinion. Any bugs, the like. Fair game. Could, should be better. Criticize N900 for stuff that it was meant to do, where it does not do good, don't for lacking in areas it was never meant to conquer (at go anyway) - being the not-yet-final step in the Maemo roadmap.

2. Nokia does need to produce a device, that competes with the iPhone and Droid as a smartphone, sure. Their current offerings are not there yet, at least not for the hardcore market. But N900 is not that device, sorry. It was not meant to be - and, like you and others say, it is not. While they probably would like to sell as many as they can, that does not change its placement on the Maemo roadmap and its design goals. It is not a consumer smartphone. Blame Nokia for not having an iPhone/Droid level consumer smartphone if you like, that may be fair, blame Nokia for deciding to put out an intermediate device before consumer smartphone with Maemo, if you think that was a bad idea, but don't blame the N900 for not being something it was never supposed to be.

I can't believe anyone truly expected this to be full-fledged smartphone experience. I don't know where people got that idea. I guess that was their expectation, not necessarily something that was realistic. But as a mobile computer, in my opinion, it rocks.

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I think this thread is well past being useful at this point.

Why can't we just agree to disagree and stop feeding the trolls?

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Originally Posted by pelago (Post 396893)

Genuine questions:

Don't you have to lock the iPhone before you put it back in your pocket?
And do you think the N900 physical lock button on the side could be found by feel only, after getting used to it?

Nope, the iphone screen is capacitive so it won't really get pressed.

The side button can be found by feel only but it's simply too small and weird to use. If you take quick look you'll see the USB port is on top and the headphone jack and slider on the bottom. This makes absolutely no sense. Headphones/on-off should be on top and USB on the bottom. Wtf.

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Originally Posted by iJanne (Post 397025)

I agree with your assessment of the iPhone and Droid but for about the same price as the N900 you can get a mobile computer like the Viliv or UMID. They are bigger and heavier but also significantly more capable as pocketable computers. The N900 remains an Internet tablet (or, to use the current term, a Mobile Internet Device or MID) which competes with devices such as the Archos 5. However, these devices do not offer voice cell phone capabilities (although some have 3G modems and all support VOIP).

The combination of a MID and a cell phone could be fantastic and I have been looking for such a hybrid since before I got my N810 (as anyone who follows the OQO forums can attest). But the phone part of that is critical. Until the N900 (or a subsequent model) can match or beat the other smartphones on features and functionality, I'll stick with my two device solution.

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well, this may be offtopic but i now have my retail n900, and i would be a fool to gripe about it. good piece of gear.

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Originally Posted by iJanne (Post 397025)

DaveP1, exactly how I feel.

iJanne: Stop beating the same drum about the N900 not being not a consumer smart phone. I am a consumer and I bought one. That's the end of that argument. It's listed under phones, and open to consumers. Any points you make here are completely ridiculous.

Also, Nokia NEEDS to produce a smart phone to compete with the market. What are you talking about? Look at this phone, it even looks like an iPhone. Is it a coincidence that they advertised all the features that this phone has and that the iPhone is lacking? I don't think so.

Bottom line is that this phone, as it is right now, falls short of the market measuring stick and it's up to Nokia to do something about it. It is completely irrelevant that a handful of enthusiasts (me included) like the phone and will keep using it. This does nothing for Nokia's bottom line or their downward spiraling market share. I understand your opinions but this phone has been botched from the day it was supposed to come out and it didn't.

More problems to add:

- Definite memory issues somewhere, phone slows down considerably if it stays on for too long without a reboot.
- Stuck in portrait again today.
- Browser is IMPOSSIBLE to use while page is loading. It doesn't even display a checkerd pattern if you scroll but simply a white page.
- Browser displays a black screen for a few seconds when switching to full screen mode on certain pages.
- Browser fails to display the page sometimes after it is done loading. Once you start scrolling it starts displaying the page.
- Buttons on the call screen are in messed up order. The accept call button is in the middle of the screen with buttons on top and on the bottom. It needs to be the only thing on the screen or not surrounded by anything else, to avoid accidental presses of other buttons.
- Media player does not remember shuffle settings if you click the back arrow and select another song from the list.
- Random interface slowdowns where you click to call a contact and you stare at the screen for 5 seconds with nothing happening.
- Sound quality when connected to speakers is abysmal when compared to a PSP

I am starting to feel the need for some apps. The phone doesn't do much out of the box...where are the games, the funny picture apps etc?

Ovi Maps is not even laughable. Just simply ignore it exists. It's the worst GPS/Mapping application in the history of GPS. It takes forever to open and panning the maps is atrocious. GPS lock can take forever if you're not on Wifi for some reason (yes with a good data connection). I have simply never felt the need to use it anymore after I had to stare at the loading screen for what...30 seconds or so? All I have to say is google maps on the iPhone. Opens in 2 seconds, GPS lock in no time...and guess what...I can find that pizza place in another 10 seconds. Good luck doing that with Nokia Maps.

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Originally Posted by x61 (Post 396791)

This got me thinking what did those 300 N900 testers really tested?

We tested all sorts of things, typically dependent on the persons interests.

Once again: take both the reactionary complaints AND praise with a healthy dose of skepticism. That includes statements like "THIS PHONE IS GARBAGE" and "THIS IS THE PERFECT PHONE". :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 397251)

So apart from these garbage/perfect posts...if you guys tested the phones let me ask you:

1. How did you miss all the bugs?
2. Have you reported some of these bugs and are they being worked on?

Sorry, but a media player app not remembering shuffle settings after you select a different song from the playlist tells me that nobody even used the media player app before the phone was released.

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iJanne: Stop beating the same drum about the N900 not being not a consumer smart phone. I am a consumer and I bought one. That's the end of that argument. It's listed under phones, and open to consumers. Any points you make here are completely ridiculous.

Then you failed to do your research epicly.

I am not saying the N900 is not available for "consumers", just that it is not a consumer smartphone. It is a mobile computer and marketed as such. Just because some site lists it under "phones" does not change this. You ignored my earlier argument that N810 is also listed under phones - they list their Internet tables under their devices category, most of which are phones. Sure, it works as a phone but it is a mobile computer.

Again, read their product page:

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

Why the heck did you expect it to be something it was not designed to be?

They barely mention the phone functionality in the specs!

Misleading to list it under phones (like listing N810 there), perhaps, blame them for that, but the N900 is not what you are asking it to be. Return it to the store or sell it, it is not for you - possibly never will be. When Nokia announced it, they told us months ago loud and clear what it would be - and what it would not be. Just because you thought different doesn't make it so.

I am "beating the same drum" because a lot of you guys are ignoring the simple mission statement of this device. I'd be fine if you'd say releasing such a device was a mistake or causing confusion - that is certainly very much arguable and I'd be fine accepting your opinion - but saying it lacks because it is not something it was never designed to be, just because you thought it would be all that, is just utter stupidity. We all knew, or we should have known, going in what this thing is going to lack. Especially we knew it would lack content. N900 is a stepping stone to create content for Maemo.

Maemo is not yet a smartphone OS, at the time being it is still an Internet tablet/mobile computer OS with phone functionality. That is what the N900 is and that was its place on the Maemo roadmap, by design. Sorry if you thought otherwise, but you didn't do your research.

Again, you can very well state Nokia should have more than a mobile computer with Maemo out by now, I think very few people are disagreeing with that. We all know Nokia is late and Symbian is aged. But they have what they have, and N900 is not a consumer smartphone - it was not designed to be one. It is a mobile computer withe phone functionality aimed at a different market. Your expectation simply wasn't in line with what was announced as the product N900. You should have know better and not bought it.

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Originally Posted by DaveP1 (Post 397226)

Until the N900 (or a subsequent model) can match or beat the other smartphones on features and functionality, I'll stick with my two device solution.

I can certainly sympathize with that. I am not saying the N900 is for everyone. Actually, I'm saying it is not for everyone - by design. :) I have recommended, in real life, against getting it to many people who are not within the target market.

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I think the problem is that regardless of whatever you call the N900, be it a phone, a tablet, or a mobile computer, it cant really explain why there are issues with the device in terms of bugs.

You can argue that since the phone application is not its main area of focus, certain things such as unique ringtones for each contact is not to be expected. However, broken exchange support, and email experience in general and flat out bugs with the device cannot be explained by the label you put on it.

Nokia rushed the release, which is something they admit themselves. That said, I reckon that most of the bugs will be fixed with time. I dont know if we should expect all the features people here are longing for, but for a $600 device, you should at least expect the software to be reasonably bug free.

Also, I would expect that a mobile computer would offer me a superior calendar en email experience.

I am not trashing the N900, but I am really tired of people saying that the reason we have all these bugs and issues is because its not a phone..Thats hardly relevant..

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Originally Posted by Untouchab1e (Post 397450)

I agree with you Untouchab1e. Those reading my messages carefully can hopefully see that.

Whatever N900's shortcomings as a mobile computer, any instability or bugs, certainly warrant our attention and dislike. Continue to beat the drum about these and lets get Nokia to fix them. This is a good mobile computer, it needs to mature into perfect.

However, lacking features known from existing smartphones is by design. In this case, Nokia admitting Maemo is not yet ready for a consumer smartphone release, they admit not everything would be there, and they aimed for something different because, in this time frame, they just couldn't get to that smartphone level yet from Maemo's tablet/computer roots - so they CHOSE to have an intermediate step, that of a mobile computer with phone functionality. We knew this, we should have known this, Nokia was open and frank about it - the state of Maemo and the roadmap.

By the way, I hope and continue to ask Nokia to roll back into the N900 any future features they add to Maemo on the road to full smartphoneness, but that doesn't change the fact that we knew it not be there from the get-go and it may never be there.

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After 4 days My N900 has few pixels missing, I mean they always show white colour.............

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I'm sorry, but are we in the minority (or just a silent majority) who think Nokia was frank and open about the fact the N900 would be "X". Yet some people continue to complain because the N900 is not in line with their expectation that N900 would be "Y".

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iJanne you are not in the minority.

Just most people are just getting on and enjoying their device, where they see problems they are logging bugs, and where they can help others they are just getting on with it.

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Originally Posted by mikec (Post 397468)

Hopefully.

And BTW, just to reiterate, I think the issue of bugs and problems has been confused with the issue of smartphoneness. The two are separate issues. I concure with the fact that former needs fixing, complaining where necessary - just disagree with the latter.

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It is indeed very true that most people who actually have their N900 are not here whining about it. On forums such as these you usually have three groups of people. You have those who love it, those who hate it, and those who doesn't have it yet.

Again, I can be forgiving that the N900 doesnt have all the phone features we want. But I think its pretty poor work by Nokia if the N900 has as many software issues that has been reported here.

That said, things such as MMS would be appreciated, but I am more than willing to wait for it..

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I do have a good feeling about the N900 getting a lot of post-release attention from Nokia though. They have gone out and said that they were overwhelmed at how high the demand for the device is, and that they are having a hard time shipping them out fast enough.

I think Nokia may realise the potential here if they can manage to release solid updates quite quickly. They might end up earning alot more from the N900 than they first expected!

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Originally Posted by Untouchab1e (Post 397474)

I would say most people who own the device are here, though. This is a device that breeds passion. I think the amount of ambivalent people is much lower for the N900 than, say the 5800. Come to think of it... if I'm totally honest, I didn't get the N900 just for the hard- or software. I got it because of you guys. I want to feel passionate about my phone/computer and interact with other owners. I've never discussed my 24" Acer monitor with anyone online.

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Originally Posted by jaysire (Post 397600)

i've never discussed my 24" acer monitor with anyone online.

Haha made me laugh

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I got my n900 late yesterday. It just gets better as I use it.

bye bye iPod touch, hello freedom !

big up to Maemo developers and NOK.

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With all these issues, Maemo 5 isn't what it should be. It takes the word "freedom" away from N900. I really have to re-consider this device. It's absolutely UNACCEPTABLE what Nokia have done. They have professionals working for months on a device and it comes to the market as if a 10 year old made it. Haha it's funny, its even worse than the N97 release! (didn't they learn from the E90's dead mic releases? :S:S:S) And everyone thought "oh, Nokia are delaying it so they don't make a fool out of themselves, they must learn from the N97"!! Oh...the irony... anyway, I really do hope they sort their unprofessional behaviour out, or maybe theyre just a big scam? hmm..

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What have Nokia done that is so unacceptable? Would be nice if you elaborated a bit..

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Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 397254)

do you even own an n900?

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i think that n900 will improve with manyupdates like the n800 and n810. people should stop complaining about it and just wait for the updates. and anyone whos new to maemo devices and dont like the n900 should get more familiar with it or wait for more updates

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I am sorry for those who are let down by the N900 may it be software or hardware. For those of you who think it's gonna suck, please do the right thing and cancel your pre-order/order so that those who want it can get it sooner ;)

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Think I may be returning my device after only one day of use. I bought the device mainly as a phone and mp3 player. But for some reason it is unable to play any of my playlists and the media player keeps freezing up (apart from the fact it is so basic). Plus I have had a few random reboots, the device seems a bit slow, my USB connection keeps dropping off. I would have been able to make do with all the other issues if not for the failure to play my playlists. I am now deleting all my music files then will try to synch with Ovi Music. If it still doesn't work then the device is definitely going back.

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Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389352)

As a geek I will definitely enjoy the phone...but for normal people this will fall waaaaaay short, especially when you can go get an iphone for 200$ that can actually scroll smoothly.

Of course iPhone's scrolling is perfectly smooth because its resolution is only 480x320. N900 has 800x480.

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Originally Posted by Megacrazy

As a geek I will definitely enjoy the phone...but for normal people this will fall waaaaaay short, especially when you can go get an iphone for 200$ that can actually scroll smoothly.

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Originally Posted by juzzlin (Post 399120)

Of course iPhone's scrolling is perfectly smooth because its resolution is only 480x320. N900 has 800x480.

Let alone get an iPhone for 200$. Price for iPhone is closer to 800$ I think. I does not help anyone to quote a subsidized price to nonsubsidized.

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this thread needs to die. congrats mega on your success with that troll.

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Originally Posted by My-Symbian.com (Post 396259)

I am upset about calling me what I am not. And not just a fanboy, but also fanatic, piranha, and more. If I called you a troll for example, wouldn't you be upset (that's of course assuming that you aren't one, which I am no longer sure about)?

It's really interesting that after I published my N900 preview (which got over 400.000 page impressions) all comments I got (also on this forum) were saying that the preview was highly objective, informative and well balanced. No one called me a fanboy or Nokia fanatic.

Then suddenly you come and call me a fanatic fanboy, and that's only because I stated that I do not have the "random reboot" issue a handful of other people are having, and I don't consider the "scrolling issue" a major problem as IE on my Core i7 / Nvidia 9500 GT / 4 GB triple-channel DDR3 PC actually scrolls LESS smoothly than that.

I'm just describing MY experiences with the device. If you only expect people to COMPLAIN and you don't accept that one can be SATISFIED with a product then it is YOUR problem, and not mine.

"Defending a stance based on only one (read: your) account"? Now, this couldn't be more funny. Whose experiences I am supposed to express? Someone elses, not my own ones? And I am not defending anything, just STATING facts about how my N900 works.

As I said, I acknowledge that several people have this issue and I am sorry about it. But I will not join their complaints for the most simple and obvious reason being that I DON'T have that issue myself. And that for THREE MONTHS now and even on the early prototype I had before.

Sheer anger? I already suggested you to visit eye doctor, didn't I?

Regarding your fanboys and fanatics, I will take that WHEN DESERVED. I will NOT take it for just coming here and stating that I don't have the issues a handful of people have and I don't consider the (alleged) scrolling issue a problem *for me*.

If your intention is to have a well balanced opinion about the device, you should treat BOTH positive and negative opinions about it EQUALLY seriously. Yet for you only negative opinions seem to be reliable, while positive opinions make one a fanatic fanboy.

And you expect me to help those having issues HOW? By starting to complain about issues I do NOT have?

And so are you. So why don't you start fixing the bug instead of expecting others to do it.

That's very interesting. I didn't know that I am a passionate customer of manufacturers of shoes, toilet paper and toothbrushes, which I also don't have serious issues with, and thus, when asked, I state that they work well for me.

If you want to read it, just check my website from time to time. No offence, but emailing you about it is at the very bottom of the list of things I consider important to do.

I am simply expressing my experiences. What does not bother me, simply doesn't, and I won't be saying otherwise just because it is now more fashionable to bash than to express satisfaction.

And I really can't help you with confirming to you that the N900 randomly reboots like crazy, if mine doesn't.

I know perfectly clear what upsets me about you: your inability to accept that not everyone has to have the issues a handful of people have, and your inability to understand that if I don't have the issue then I say I don't have it. And also your inability to accept that while that slight scrolling unsmoothness may make some consider the N900 a "garbage" and "cr*p", others may consider it the least important thing on this planet.

Yeah, and I was disturbing the spread of that information, right? How? Did I remove posts of those who complain? Did I ban them or something?

No, I just wrote that I don't have the issues they have.

If that in your opinion prevents the spread of some information then what can I say. I'm speechless.

"True issues"... so, in your opinion, only those who have the issue are true, and those who don't have the issue (and dare to say it) are untrue... Now, that's a very interesting approach.

I don't know where you see the anger, while the only thing I told you was that if you want this discussion to get personal and involve name calling then maybe we should switch to private correspondence where I'll happily repay your invectives.

And YES, I do consider calling me a fanatic fanboy and a piranha offending, if all I did was saying that I don't have issues some other people have.

And the way you consider disagreeing with you "sheer anger" while you're incapable to understand that calling others "fanatic fanboys" and "piranhas" is plainly offending and boorish, makes this discussion completely POINTLESS.

If anything, calling your interlocutors fanatics, fanboys and piranhas is considered boorish.

I *never* asked you for personal data. *All* I wrote, was a suggestion to switch to private correspondence if you want this discussion to be personal. Scroll a couple of posts back and check. Apparently it's not just eyesight issues you have but also memory problems.

Furthermore, by "private correspondence" I meant using the "Private Messaging" feature of this board, which has nothing to do with your email. If you don't know such a feature exist, maybe you should get more familiar with this board's functionality.

For two days in your posts addressed to me you are not talking about ANYTHING related to N900, but you only keep PATRONIZING and ADMONISHING me, and giving me lessons of how you are entitled to call me a fanatic and piranha for daring to come here and saying that I don't have the issues those guys have, and how disagreeing with that by me is "sheer anger".

I wish your perception worked bi-directionally and you were also capable of perceiving when YOU start spurting with anger and calling your interlocutors piranhas, fanatics, fanboys and such. Sadly, your perception works in just one direction, and with out-of-tune sensitivity.

So WHY DON'T YOU and instead for two days you've been producing all these personal squabbles? I already suggested you to stop, as there's actually NOTHING to further talk about between us, but you just can't finish moaning about me.

Right, it isn't. So why don't you just stop.

I deeply hope so.

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Plus here is some random stuff to get the character count up.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.

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Originally Posted by juzzlin (Post 399120)

Of course iPhone's scrolling is perfectly smooth because its resolution is only 480x320. N900 has 800x480.

Absolutely NO excuse. Its shouldnt be jerky, no questions. Poor programming.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.

you all need to stop. 90 percent of you probably dont even own the ****ing phone. stop the nonsense.

Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.

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Originally Posted by chrisp7 (Post 399315)

Absolutely NO excuse. Its shouldnt be jerky, no questions. Poor programming.

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Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.

yea. definitely said by someone who hasnt written a line of cod ein his damn life.