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labra 2009-12-15 07:12

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Is (will there be) possibility to set calendar events in the N900 calendar as "private" so that they would sync to Exchange as private?

Random 2009-12-15 07:28

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 428440)
I see no relation between S60 and Maemo in this respect. Maemo MfE and S60 MfE are different MfE implementations.

I'm referring that MfE works well in most N series so why should we accept any different from N900 as users.

osfight.de 2009-12-15 08:37

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
I dont use MfE but highly appreciate your way of working with the community. Please talk to other programmers to follow this good approach, there need many more things to be done. :)

vitaly_repin 2009-12-15 09:51

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hypnotik (Post 427514)
When I click into my MS Exchange account in Email on the N900, I end up seeing this screen, anywhere between 15-30 seconds (in rate cases up to a minute):

I don't have an Inbox, and then it will reappear.

The Inbox has about 970 items in it.

Are you aware of this bug?
I also have an Google Imap account configured with about 1400 messages in the Inbox, but the Inbox displays immediately.

No. Neither me, neither our testers are aware of this. Could you file a bug and attach your syslog to this bug?

Thank you in advance.

vitaly_repin 2009-12-15 09:54

Re: Corporate mail for exchange not syncing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karmax (Post 427333)
And what about a partial provisioning support? My company requires the device lock code to be inserted in the phone.

Technically it is possible. Regarding business requirements - let us see for the results of ongoing internal discussions.

qhorse 2009-12-15 10:52

Re: Corporate mail for exchange not syncing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 428675)
Technically it is possible. Regarding business requirements - let us see for the results of ongoing internal discussions.

Interesting !

Let us know what you guys think of business uses for the N900 !

pamadio 2009-12-15 11:10

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Hi there.

Is there a way to get he sources of Mfe ?

I'm not sure of the package name, so i dont know what to apt-get source, and i did not find it on http://maemo.gitorious.org/ neither.

karmax 2009-12-15 11:11

Re: Corporate mail for exchange not syncing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 428675)
Technically it is possible. Regarding business requirements - let us see for the results of ongoing internal discussions.

Can I ask you a technical information? All the Activesync stuff (setup, wizard, protocol, etc etc) is implemented inside libasmodestplugin.so?

HugoSon 2009-12-15 11:18

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 428495)
Do you sync it manually or periodically (using automatic scheduler)? "Send on next sync" means the following:

I sync manually.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 428495)
Hm. What happens if you press "Send and Receive" from e-mail client? Any error message? Could you initiate send/receive being in the outgoing folder? You will be able to see the statuses of the message sending while sending attempt is performed. What are the statuses?

I will (re-)try later - but I think it does not work. No error message nothing. But I will retry.

UPDATE: ok - yes: when I go into the outgoing folder and click "Send and Receive" it's send out. But not if I choose the option "Send on next sync" and sync manually.

jcompagner 2009-12-15 11:27

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
just a side question.. is there on linux not a MfE client/lib already that works? In other words cant we reuse that code?

dhirajhotjat 2009-12-15 12:19

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by labra (Post 424069)
1. Just get your root certificate installed on the device so that it is seen in the certificate store (server sertificate!), lot of instructions to do that on this forum..
2. Go to xterm:
cd /home/user/.maemosec-certs/ssl-ca/
3. see the directory contents:
ls -lh
; there should be a long file (something like x89x8x7087873234324.pem and then a short symlink to it 89737443.pem )
4. then just make the symlink:
cd /home/user/.activesync/certs/
ln -s /home/user/.maemosec-certs/ssl-ca/* .

this did the trick for me! But do this on your responsibility!

Dear All

I got my N900 this weekend but not able to set-up mfe and my is 2007(confirmed from IT team). reading tru this blog i found out there is way to install certificate as above. but i am wondering is this on my n900 or somewhere esle as i am not able to see any of these folders in my n900 using explorer...just help me where to find this root folder...or any other workaround to get mfe set-up in my N900. as of now it is saying for secure connection (it been disabled and for port 809 server not responding. I use to syn my iphone before to the same mfe... help me techies :confused:

qwerty12 2009-12-15 12:38

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
vitaly_repin, I would not like to blame you, but rather thank you.

After getting my college's WEP key from a friend, I proceeded to set up MfE using only the information (+ guesswork) from Outlook Web Access' About page. Syncing worked a treat. Thank you. (I now can get notification of new e-mails in class w/out being resigned to go to a computer).

Although, now that I see it has tried to sync using my home network, is it possible to only allow it to sync on a certain network (i.e. options for WLAN only, and, within that, specific networks on which the syncing can take place)? Like how Modest has the option to use different SMTP servers depending on the AP you are connected to. Nothing major so don't worry about it if you/Nokia do not deem it a worthy feature.

SubCore 2009-12-15 12:46

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
I too would like to thank vitaly_repin.

got my unit today and one of the first things i did was to setup an MfE account. everything worked like a charm from the start, I didn't even have to import the certificate. user, pass, domain, hostname and it was good to go!

thumbs up!

labra 2009-12-15 13:08

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dhirajhotjat (Post 428824)
Dear All

I got my N900 this weekend but not able to set-up mfe and my is 2007(confirmed from IT team). reading tru this blog i found out there is way to install certificate as above. but i am wondering is this on my n900 or somewhere esle as i am not able to see any of these folders in my n900 using explorer...just help me where to find this root folder...or any other workaround to get mfe set-up in my N900. as of now it is saying for secure connection (it been disabled and for port 809 server not responding. I use to syn my iphone before to the same mfe... help me techies :confused:

You must use the console on N900 (X terminal, xterm), you cannot do this via windows. If you do not know what you are doing, please just wait for a software update.

Night4900 2009-12-15 13:42

Sync MFE Calender with N900 ver.1.2009.50-1
 
Hello,

I cannot sync calender with preinstalled mfe.

I am using N900 with SW.version 1.2009.50-1 (preinstalled from Nokia).

Have being testing Mfe application that was preinstalled on it, and cannot get the calender synced, everything else works fine.


Is their any known workaround on this yet?

rjzak 2009-12-15 14:53

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 428437)
If you want to implement something "far better" you need to implement EAS protocol: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...CHG.80%29.aspx

EAS 12.0, 12.1 specs are publicly available and you can start the development right now. You can (technically, not sure about legal consequences) ignore provisioning requests in your code and tell to the server "everything is OK" (something Nokia engineers are not allowed to do).


The current approach if weboutlook module sounds crazy to me:

> weboutlook is a Python module that retrieves full, raw e-mails from Microsoft Outlook Web Access by screen scraping

You have EAS 12.0 and 12.1 specs published. Just take them into use!

The only documentation which community does not have is EAS 2.5 (provided by MS Exchange 2003).

Fantastic, I'll look into that. But to be honest, just using screen scrapping would be fine (though crazy), I just need to see messages and events. I don't much care how elegant it is, as long as it works. I'll give it a shot though with EAS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by karmax (Post 428754)
Can I ask you a technical information? All the Activesync stuff (setup, wizard, protocol, etc etc) is implemented inside libasmodestplugin.so?

So then, could said library to be tinkered with to report that provisioning is enabled?

vitaly_repin 2009-12-15 16:25

Re: Corporate mail for exchange not syncing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karmax (Post 428754)
All the Activesync stuff (setup, wizard, protocol, etc etc) is implemented inside libasmodestplugin.so?


No. Of course no. Modest plugin and corresponding camel provider are responsible only for integration with email. Very thin layer. There are also protocol library (which I am dreaming to open source), storage library and as-daemon.

vitaly_repin 2009-12-15 18:53

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by labra (Post 428502)
Is (will there be) possibility to set calendar events in the N900 calendar as "private" so that they would sync to Exchange as private?

There is no possibility right now. As N900 Calendar GUI does not support the possibility to set events as private/normal etc, it has been decided to create "normal" events in the server.

From the other hand, it is (technically) possible to extend the solution to take the default value from gconf. But to make GUI for it is a different issue.

vitaly_repin 2009-12-15 18:57

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Random (Post 428525)
I'm referring that MfE works well in most N series so why should we accept any different from N900 as users.

Remember, I am not marketing guy. :)

vitaly_repin 2009-12-15 19:02

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pamadio (Post 428752)
Is there a way to get he sources of Mfe ?

Unfortunately, no.

Check these posts for the details:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=110

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=131

In fact, it looks like I started to collect the ideas which I can use to sell the idea of open-sourcing Maemo MfE to my management. :)

rjzak 2009-12-15 19:06

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 429372)
Unfortunately, no.

Check these posts for the details:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=110

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=131

In fact, it looks like I started to collect the ideas which I can use to sell the idea of open-sourcing Maemo MfE to my management. :)

Best of luck on that! Having MfE open source would be awesome! Let us know how you progress.

karmax 2009-12-15 19:18

Re: Corporate mail for exchange not syncing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 429174)
No. Of course no. Modest plugin and corresponding camel provider are responsible only for integration with email. Very thin layer. There are also protocol library (which I am dreaming to open source), storage library and as-daemon.

All this stuff is closed-source? It would be possible to release the source code MINUS the protocol implementation?

JPvdBos 2009-12-15 20:04

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Hi Vitaly,

I understand that you make a destinction between MfE for Symbian and MfE for Maemo.

As a customer - I use the simple "both are Nokia machines". And since I used E series phones for many years and always found them very reliable. I was expecting the same and more from Maemo / N900.

And true. The phone brings a lot of wonderful functions and works really really well. Except for the MfE. Which is disappointing. And which is why people make the comparison. By using earlier Nokia phones with good synchronization (with Exchange) they've come to expect the same from the N900 ...

Regards,
Jan-Paul

Random 2009-12-15 20:09

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
I know, well let's hope that you will get MfE to level customers had all reason to expect.

vitaly_repin 2009-12-15 20:48

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HugoSon (Post 428763)
ok - yes: when I go into the outgoing folder and click "Send and Receive" it's send out. But not if I choose the option "Send on next sync" and sync manually.

Just to clarify. The messages are not sent even if you are initiating manual sync by hand using control panel application (Press "Sync manually" button). But if you use Send&Receive from e-mail client, the messages are sent. Is it correct description of the issue?

vitaly_repin 2009-12-15 20:53

Re: Corporate mail for exchange not syncing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karmax (Post 429398)
All this stuff is closed-source? It would be possible to release the source code MINUS the protocol implementation?

Hm. Idea sounds interesting. Worse than open-sourcing the whole stuff but might be more feasible.

OK. Let us agree on the following - I will discuss this in depth with our responsible guys after 7, Jan. When all the people will comeback from "short" winter "holidays" which are going to start soon.

If anybody can bring here new ideas WHY open-sourcing of these components is good for Nokia business, I would be very thankful.

vitaly_repin 2009-12-15 20:56

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pamadio (Post 428752)
Is there a way to get he sources of Mfe ?

They are closed-source.

vitaly_repin 2009-12-15 20:59

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JPvdBos (Post 429470)
And true. The phone brings a lot of wonderful functions and works really really well. Except for the MfE.

Point is taken.

Just small comment. N900 does not have java and MMS inside. Nobody cares.
N900 has MfE inside. With limited functionality (compared with other Nokia phones). Everybody cares. :)

Don't take this comment as an attempt to defense. Just side comment.

karmax 2009-12-15 21:23

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 429532)
Point is taken.

Just small comment. N900 does not have java and MMS inside. Nobody cares.
N900 has MfE inside. With limited functionality (compared with other Nokia phones). Everybody cares. :)

Don't take this comment as an attempt to defense. Just side comment.

Java and MMS were not listed in the technical specification.
Mail for exchange was listed.

IlkkaP 2009-12-15 21:35

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 429532)
Point is taken.

Just small comment. N900 does not have java and MMS inside. Nobody cares.
N900 has MfE inside. With limited functionality (compared with other Nokia phones). Everybody cares. :)

I suppose this is mostly about expectation management. If N900 Mail for Exchange functionality had been marketed with side note "Only supported with Exchange Server 2007 as a non-provisionable device. Not all functionality implemented." most corporate customers would have understood. With current specs, most corporate customers (including me) thought it would offer the same functionality as current Mail for Exchange for Symbian devices.

SubCore 2009-12-15 22:49

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 429532)
Just small comment. N900 does not have java and MMS inside. Nobody cares.
N900 has MfE inside. With limited functionality (compared with other Nokia phones). Everybody cares. :)

FWIW, my MfE experience under Maemo has been much more satisfactory than under S60.

for one main reason:
it supports subfolders!
i use them extensively and always felt a bit bound by the fact that symbian MfE only shows you the inbox. now i have access to everything if i need it :)

pepitoe 2009-12-15 22:58

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
I have to agree, subfolders is a major missing feature on S60 which will be great to have access to when I finally get a N900.

Ac1d 2009-12-16 03:32

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
all here is speaking how mfe works with 2007, but hey! im not using 2007, how about 2003???

Guys really, if some1 have little probs sync calendar with 2007, u r still happy. my mfe+2003 dont work at all. And some1 just told new firmware dont fix it.

vitaly_repin 2009-12-16 06:40

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ac1d (Post 429938)
Guys really, if some1 have little probs sync calendar with 2007, u r still happy. my mfe+2003 dont work at all. And some1 just told new firmware dont fix it.

Who is this "some 1one"?

HugoSon 2009-12-16 06:51

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 429512)
Just to clarify. The messages are not sent even if you are initiating manual sync by hand using control panel application (Press "Sync manually" button). But if you use Send&Receive from e-mail client, the messages are sent. Is it correct description of the issue?

Hi Vitaly this is correct.

labra 2009-12-16 07:29

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 429354)
There is no possibility right now. As N900 Calendar GUI does not support the possibility to set events as private/normal etc, it has been decided to create "normal" events in the server.

From the other hand, it is (technically) possible to extend the solution to take the default value from gconf. But to make GUI for it is a different issue.

Could it be possible to have two MfE-calendars in N900? So that the public/normal events would go to normal calendar and the private ones in a private calendar. That way one could decide the publicity of the event by choosing the calendar, and one could decide the colours etc. also!

jinx 2009-12-16 08:34

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by labra (Post 430073)
Could it be possible to have two MfE-calendars in N900? So that the public/normal events would go to normal calendar and the private ones in a private calendar. That way one could decide the publicity of the event by choosing the calendar, and one could decide the colours etc. also!

I definitely agree with this. As the device is capable of handling multiple calendars, in opposite to symbian devices, it should also be possible to synchronize multiple calendars. Almost everybody uses at least a private and a business calendar...

anakin 2009-12-16 14:16

Works with Exchange 2003?
 
Does n900 support MS Exchange 2003?:confused:
Mail for exchange don't work in my n900.
In the first sync stop-it and... nothing other (i have wait an entire night).
I'm sure for the parameters, used with nokia n97 and others smartphone. Nokia don't help me "for mails"...
(sorry for my english...) :D
Help me pleease!:(

Random 2009-12-16 14:25

Re: Works with Exchange 2003?
 
Please read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...&highlight=MfE

sjgadsby 2009-12-16 14:28

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Threads merged.


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