Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

It's a matter of apparent perspective.

moblin.org was handled by Intel employees that could get into the strong confidentiality of the MeeGo pre-launch, and they are a nice % of Intel guys you are seeing.

There is plenty of Harmattan/MeeGo development from Nokia developers and surroundings at http://maemo.gitorious.org . They are public and visible, just not seen yet as MeeGo. It takes one MeeGo git repo and the move there. One of the many things in the queue.

It's been less than a week, and we are talking about drastic changes in working processes (while working at full speed, as usual).

Also I guess more developers from both sides will start showing up in MeeGo when the detailed architecture is published and the code infrastructure is in place with maintainers, specific lists / IRC channels and so on.

Not everybody is desperate showing up in a single generic crowded mailing list with plenty of noise and strong emotions. Even less if you are specialized professional developer. Even less if you carry a @nokia.com or @intel.com.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

To me, it's like this slogan:

"I go, you go, they go, we all go for MeeGo, the family laxative for regular people who want to stay regular.

Camera pans over to toddler Johnny who has suddenly started walking away from the group. Announcer: "Johnny! Where are you going?" Johnny looks back with a little-boy smirk and says, "MeeGo!"

I don't know why a scrap wasn't thrown to the "community" by allowing it to share in the naming of the new entity.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

This really is the bottom line and anyone who doesn't see this has missed the point completely.

Read this article. When I saw that the list of officially-supported platforms would be limited to iPhone, Android and Blackberry (not even Windows Mobile!), it was the first time I really felt sad that I owned an N900. While I appreciate that this example doesn't appy to everyone, it is but one example of how users of 'fringe' mobile platforms will continue to miss out on major developments as the industry continues to take off.

In this context, The MeeGo announcement shows that Nokia and Intel are actually thinking of their customers first (and therefore their own success) by creating a rival to the platforms cited above. Anything less will result in the death of their platforms.

Surely the litmus test of a platform's success is whether big names consider it worthy of their attention. At the moment the BBC, EA Games and other such developers won't touch Maemo with a bargepole and can you blame them? Nokia know this, and would rather make a massively-important strategic decision (which isn't even all that different from their existing one) rather than be self-indulgent.

Speaking of which, the only people who have any place being precious about an OS are the developers of that OS, not the developers for it. And from the announcement it sounds like those developers will be behind the new incarnation of this project.

Looking forward to the first release of MeeGo!

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Only thing I have to say about that is "Why would I need an app for the BBC if I can just surf and see their WHOLE website?"

My favourite radio station came out with an APP. They want you to be a captive audience, use the app, and listen to ads and SEE ads in the app at the same time. Of course I found the stream address and use my Internet radio app and listen without the app anyway.

I much prefer the open standards that Nokia follows than encourage any app sillyness.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Fully agreed. Having a nice set of standards and functionalities built-in right into the platform is a lot better than "There's an App for that". My N900 can browse FaceBook via the browser and utilize Skype and FB Chat straight from the Conversations tool so I have zero need for applications for either of those.

Moblin also has a promising history of this, integrating lots of social web services into their desktop.

Interestingly enough, Windows Phone 7 also seems to be going this "platform instead of apps" route with their Hubs concept.

I hope all of these developments will eventually enlighten the users of "App phones" to switch over ;)

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Sorry don't have access to mailing lists at work. Is the UI a new unreleased one? Is theming the UI going to be possible? Anyway I can get details on the UI I would like to go ahead and start learning about themeing it now so when Meego comes out in a few months I will be ready to release some themes.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Who knows how much more buzz such a thing might have created...

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Okay i fully appreciate the captive audience thing, otherwise I'd be an iPhone owner, right? ;) My main concern with specific regard to the BBC is that the iPlayer doesn't work (saw in another thread this is to do with the site not recognising the N900 as a mobile device and dishing out the wrong video format), while the iPhone is recognised, and video works well. My main point was that without a significant user base, subtle irritations like this will continue to happen.

Maybe we will be able to watch the World Cup via the browser - live feeds of Final Score work great. We can always rely on radio streams if not.

Edit: someone has found a workaround to get the iPlayer working. I enjoy workarounds - was my job for 10 years - but there is a limit to which I'll put up with it.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Would the video play in Firefox properly?

Actually I have seen such an issue with my N810 even...one website would give me the Mobile version of it's site automagically. Drove me NUTS. I emailed and complained and they eventually fixed it. I didn't want to go the easy workaround route myself in that case.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

That's actually a missed opportunity/could have been brilliant idea.

The result could hardly been worse than MeeGo, plus lots of free PR in techblogs towards people who would be ideal early adopters for MeeGo platform.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Just think of Meego as the name of a really cute Japanese girl. It helps. :D

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Well, at least one of them do sell. :-)

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Must be really long time ago. :-)

Basically rpm tool itself is parallel to dpkg without either apt nor dselect. Try to use dpkg like that and you will understand. The only thing was that front-end to rpm was not immediately developed. However in this century all distributions with rpm has front-end / dependency resolver to rpm; Fedora / Red Hat, Suse, and Yellow Dog have Yum, Mandriva has urpm*, PCLinuxOS and ALT Linux use apt-rpm.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Yum is commonly used for point upgrade (such as from Red Hat 5.3 to 5.4). For Red Hat since big version upgrade happens quite rare, whether Yum can do version upgrade is not very big deal.

Fedora are having what they called "PreUpgrade" for version upgrade, in which after downloading the packages, control is transferred to Anaconda (its installer agent) to actually execute the upgrade.

I believe anything will be slow given enough number or stuff. :-) But Yum is written in Python instead of binary code. May contribute to its slowness.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Agreed. One thing that people sometime missed is that .deb format / dpkg tools are mostly used in one family of Linux distribution, i.e. Debian and its derivatives. In contrast, rpm format and tools are used in many major distributions which are derivatives of any single distributions, e.g. Red Hat, SUSE, Mandriva, PCLinuxOS, etc. Therefore if you try to get rpm files and install them without checking each rpm file what distribution it for, you will get quite a mess.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

My vote is in as well! Although it may be difficult to make something that have antennas in place of eyes cute. :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi-go
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../d/db/Migo.jpg

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

maemo + moblin != meego
maemo + moblin = maeblin, moemin or moemo

there'll be dragons

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Did someone say Moomin?! :D

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

SOMEBODY at Nokia thinks MeeGo will run on the N900, the MeeGo site front page (http://meego.com) clearly shows a user holding an N900.

http://www.sgbirch.plus.com/meego.jpg

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Meego minus Moblin =GoBlin

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

I'm sure it was simply because the N900 was the most viable example. Don't read too much into that picture.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Maybe, and I understand those who say the community couldn't have done worse than MeeGo. But seeing from the corporate side, it's hard to imagine this happening. What if the community came up with a name & the corporations didn't like it? Lots of hard feelings. If they're going to be putting big dollars behind a brand, they need to own that important decision.

Plus, consider the practical issues:
1. Would the name discussion occur in the open? If so, the name could be stolen. And imagine the cybersquatting opportunity.
2. Any name chosen would have to be checked for how it sounds in various languages. Would the community do this? Domain name checks?

The end of Maemo (5)??? WTF!!!!
 

Can someone clarify this information ????

Re: The end of Maemo (5)??? WTF!!!!
 

The article mixes up scrapping the Maemo name with scrapping Maemo. Meego "Maemo 6" is going to be an instance of Meego 1.0

Re: The end of Maemo (5)??? WTF!!!!
 

I don't see this being any other different that what we already know. It does not say anything in one or the other way, except that Maemo5 won't run on other devices. Which is hardly a surprise. It also does not say Maemo5 is dead, please see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46187 for saner information.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

The thread "The end of Maemo (5)??? WTF!!!!" with one three posts has been merged into this thread.

(Darn ninjas.)

Re: The end of Maemo (5)??? WTF!!!!
 

if this is absolute, this is like the n97, within months, a "mini" successor came up, then another phone, including the n900,

now its the n900 then within months, Meego :D

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

well the holder of N900 is probably the future Meego customer!!!

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

You know...I was tooling around the intertubes today, looking at phone specs and what not, and I realized that the n97 mini is pretty much the same phone as the x6. They appear to have the same processor (Arm 11, 434Mhz), same amount of RAM (128MB), same screen size (3.2 inches) and resolution, though one is capacitive the other is resistive, same camera resolution (5MP). The only differences that I could pick out, are the built in memory (8GB vs 16 or 32GB), the keyboard or lack of keyboard on the x6, and the battery size. Even the dimensions are very close. I makes me hope....that there'll be a keyboarded and keyboard-less version of what's next.

Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 

Let's hope developers & Nokia get it right now and we can get a competitor for iPhone & Android