Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

No way man, it gets worse than that. According to my extensive research that only I as king of the universe could possibly conduct and understand, 100% of usb failures are preceeded by someone owning a N900!

If that's not damning evidence of the root cause of the problem I don't know what is!!!!!!1111oneoneoneexclaimationmark

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

So, you didn't get "boot sector" and "root file system" mixed up? And am I wrong in assuming that you saved a copy of your root file system when you got your phone and now you're using that when you do your comparison after installing applications?

Installing things on the root file system is normal. That's how Linux installations typically look. The special tinkering done here with optification has been added since the Nokia people decided to make the root file system partition ridiculously small.

And I do think I understand my words very well. You, on the other hand, refuse to back up your arguments and continue to point at me and others saying "You just don't understand!". Then help us with the understanding by actually responding and explaining and stop this silly handwagging.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

I've seen at least two; Felbutss and the guy with the reboot loop.

However, to be fair - I do believe most people that I've seen were successful at restoring PR1.1.1 if they wanted; or fixing their various 1.2 problems with reflashing 1.2.

I don't think I've seen a permanently damaged device yes. So yes, this particular update was not as bad as people are making it out to be.

However, the warnings are still valid. Just because someone can smoke for 30+ years and never get cancer does not negate the fact that smoking does cause cancer. Flashing firmware from a random website is typically a very bad idea.

There still could very well be malicious daemons or background processes embedded into this PR1.2 that none of you using it realize. Is it likely? Probably not. Is it possible? Certainly.

I'm half tempted to make a pre-pre-release PR1.3 firmware just for all of the "early adopters out there". I can promise you'll see your N900 do something new.....

(if it wasn't for the fact that'd actually be illegal, anyway.)

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Then how do you explain this

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Lol i think nokia did this leak and now in a few days they release PR1.3. that would be hilarious!!! everyone fighting over the 1.2 and not even thinking about 1.3 i think 1.2 was dropped by nokia and everything will be integrated in 1.3 to bad for them we got it the nasty way muhahahaha

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

I fixed it with an older backup. that worked like a charm. by the way i had the same problem with conversation before i went to 1.2 on 1.1.1 i had the same problem.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Was not is.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

abill_uk, consider the probability that one person out flailing in the wind is better clued in than those observing his antics from shelter.

What do you think that probability is?

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

But you said no problems. Conversation not logging your conversations IS a problem. It needed a fix and therefore was a problem

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

I think the people that are yellin' the most had the pr1.2 installed first. LMAO!!

Who cares people its a great leak admit it! Any ideas what will come in the upcomming 1.3? maybe a leaked .bin file would be nice muhahahaha I think this fuss is really funny.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Well to bad for you nosa. there is a fix by the way... search the forums

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This thread is moving so fast people are replying before they even read.

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abil_uk,

Please, please - READ.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Or think...

unfortunately.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

We're supposed to read what other people write now?

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

did find a bug though. the alarm does no repeat, it just plays once. THIS IS A WARNING. i was late to work today by an hour

just realized that

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

*facepalm*

Any some Nokia guy says this

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You sound just like a muted trumpet!

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

You poke fun, but my royalty checks from all those Peanuts specials continue to roll in.

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BWAAHAHHAAA!!! :D

Ah... just like old times.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Could anybody use Personal Messages for irrelevant posts?

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I am old school and i use old shool wording for many things i am NOT a Linux developer or coder but there again i dont have to be to realise just what a complete mess Nokia made even allowing this N900 to be released because if they had only known the consquences i doubt they would have released it.
Yes i do realise the OS is in fact the rootfs but i also assumed you lot realised this and yes the complete OS means exactly that in your wording the rootfs, i said for a very good reason and that reason was it is for sure being re-programmed during installs of proggs from this community but there again i honestly thought you lot would not be so exacting and just realise what i was saying.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

WHY I DOWNGRADED TO 1.1.1

• We don't know if the leaked version does anything malicious, which could on a timer. Calling 1-900 numbers seems to be popular with cellphones, but then there's the general risk of getting your passwords and credit card information stolen :)
• Files on the leaked copy are clearly old
• Release of 1.2 may be imminent. Ari Jaaksi said he is running a release candidate on his phone. If 1.2 doesn't come out by mid-June and nothing bad has happened to people using the leaked copy I will consider reinstalling.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Professional troll hunter, at your service!
I try to renice them so they don't take up all of the forum's processing power ;)

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

This community seems to be so self centred to its own cause that it even refuses to see anyone elses points but its own (that means the hard and fast moderators and there friends).

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Could you point me to a "My N900 is bricked" thread? I have seen threads with people in reboot loops, but of course I've seen many more reboot loop threads involving 100% legitimate builds over the years.

I've seen threads in which people couldn't go back to the legitimate build, but all of them I've seen so far wound up ok.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Here's the problem. Now that we've gotten to the point you're listening.

Firstly: When someone makes an massive over-generalization such as "EVERY" developer is "playing with fire" by manipulating the BOOT SECTOR. This is very very bad, and implies something significantly worse than what you meant. It also makes anybody with a clue read your post and default you to "Idiot doesn't know what he's talking about" instead of actually trying to piece together the half-truth of what you're saying.

Secondly: Filling up the Root Filesystem is recoverable without a reflash if you have root! Should I say that again? No.. just read it a couple times for me. That's right; even if I run a simple dd if=/dev/zero of=/myimg nonstop until I completely fill up the root filesystem I can actually recover from that without ever reflashing the device! This is in NO WAY more dangerous than actually flashing new firmware! That actually does manipulate things such as the boot sector! This is why if you're going to install anything from Devel my recommendation is your first app be rootsh!

Thirdly: When you realize what you said != what you meant to say: CORRECT YOURSELF; don't continuously argue with several long standing members that have been dealing with this stuff every day as both a job and a hobby using the same wrong language. You'll get no where but look silly.

Now, I'm glad PR1.2 works for you. I'm glad that, for the most part, this firmware release is harmless. That still doesn't mean we should be advocating that everyone under the sun flash any and every possible firmware that gets posted on these forums. That is simply bad practice, and trying to "down" play the risks everyone took does nobody any good and could very well get someone a $500 actual brick that is completely irrecoverable.

Just look at the warnings on the non-proprietary meego:
Yes, you can actually completely damage your device by using unofficial, untested firmware!

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

In all of this trolling nonsense, does anyone know whether portrait mode has been enabled for the stock apps yet?

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What's your point? :)

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Yet another absolute and ironic falsehood.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

They're just covering their *** in case some people brick their devices somehow and then try to make a warranty claim. The leaked 1.2 doesn't specifically do any damage but maybe pulling the USB cord at the wrong time or someone's computer restarting/bluescreening/crashing while flashing can.

I agree, hopefully they do step in and release it soon but I think there's a lot more going into it maybe PR wise to promote the new video calling features once it does come out.

Here's the link to Nokia's official response:
http://twitter.com/nokconv/status/13299314191

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Damage to the battery? Did I see someone list that as a devastating thing that could happen? Wouldn't that be 100% fixed by buying another battery?

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

*sigh* thank you for missing the point.

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Why is everyone being so serious? Christ!

It's a software patch for a gadget, not the cure for cancer.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

I think we're beyond having any issues with the battery, unless it's set to mess all of your phones up on a timer. I haven't seen anyone complaining about the leaked 1.2 causing damage to the hardware, including the battery. It was obviously extremely risky for the first few people to flash it. It's less risky, but still risky to keep it on their devices.

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I´m sorry but if you like you can of course continue your monologue, but in IRL I would already had left the table when talking with you. In normal conversation people listen to each other by backing their arguments with facts or trying to explain it different way until we get somewhere. We are not getting anywhere if you keep telling us that we do not understand you. It´s infinite loop and as I said you can continue that as long as you want. It´s not our duty to magically understand you between lines.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

If something needs a fix then there is a problem. If there is potential for problem then there is risk. New users should not be encouraged to take risks without being made aware of the warnings.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Sometimes I get spun up on ignorance.

I'm done though... seeing how people are either intentionally not listening; or simply incapable of understanding - it's just not worth the headache.

I'll be reading along solely hoping to see more sarcasm from you, Tex, and sjgads.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Absolutely they can.

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And ysss, Gerbick, and GeneralAntiles (although he rarely shows up now). :D