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not a stock graph, but might as well be

http://izismile.com/img/img4/2011081..._12_640_10.jpg

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Is that really a picture from a Nokia ad?

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Coining Term: "Elop Effect" when you combine Osborne Effect and Ratner Effect

well let's hope that in this case -1 * -1 = +1

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Nokia stock is on the move.

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I purchased at 5.03 lets see where this goes. I did it for a long term investment, I'm planning to hold (barring unforseen circumstances) until 3Q next year. I wanted to bite when it was under 5.

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good luck u gotta need it. u either depend on someone buying nokia.

because nokia resurgence its imposible since they do windows phone only.

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NOK up 17,35 % in 1 day, added 3,5 Billion in Market Cap.

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Lol, because people expect MS to panic and go buy them!

It´ll fall again unless MS buys them right away.

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If there is another buyer they may be urged to do it.

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What would be the benefit for MS? The only thing I can think of is a defensive move, making sure Google does not try to buy Nokia to kill any WP7 momentum it may create. At a 65% premium NOK is close to 40 Billion now. That's way too large for most companies, including Google, just for such a play. No way that will happen.

I see MS or Finland buying shares to prevent a sale, but I do not see an outright purchase happening.

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I was getting a little bored with all the amateur sleuths and stockbrokers speculating on what may or may not happen to Nokia etc.... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ighlight=stock

HOWEVER, I must apologise for being so cynical, having just happened to catch 5 minutes of Bloomberg News this morning.

They showed a graphic called ‘Patent Envy – Who has the most patents?’
Nortel: 6,000
Motorola: 17,000
Nokia: 42,000

Based on the Googorola deal they estimate Nokia’s current value to be about $20 billion whereas the value of the patents based on Motorola’s should value the company at around $30 billion.

Nokia and RIM’s shares are up 17.26%

It seemed that Bloomberg were suggesting that Nokia is ripe for a takeover!

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I wonder what will Elop do in order to make the stock drop again. Maybe he'll leak some video when he's saying how much symbian sucks and how people that buy Nokia phones are stupid :D

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No, this time he has to attack the perceived value of Nokia patents. Perhaps he will decide to "settle" one or more current patent lawsuits against Nokia?

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So ^THAT is why Microsoft is giving out statements like this:
http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-w...source=twitter

Lol! Talking about amateurs!

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Ah so WM7 is now an open platform? Does that make linux/Meego closed?

Oh so sorry me English not soo good me from UK....

All hail MS...

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Don't worry dude! It's not your English, it has to be something else:D

By the way I'm not sure... maybe it's just my bad English but I think it's called WP7.

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We could call it many things... but we'll stay polite!

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This time he´ll give a big portion of them over to MS as a sign of "our enduring committment to the Windows Phone partnership" :)

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However Nokia patents are not that useful against Linux anyway. Curiously the patent pledge seems to have disappeared from nokia.com, but there's a copy here.

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Didn't Elop already do somekind of patent deal with MS?

EDIT: Yes, it was part of Nokia and Microsoft deal.

4. An agreement that recognizes the value of intellectual property and puts in place mechanisms for exchanging rights to intellectual property. Nokia will receive substantial payments under the agreement.

And there are already claims that MS is using the patent deal with Nokia illegally and uncompetively to attack Android.

Barnes & Noble claims Microsoft Nokia patent pact is illegal

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Eldar == working for Elop

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u take rebranding too kindly.

its still same kernel of windows CE.

so even monkey dressed in expensive clothes it's still a monkey.

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More like Samsung.

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Maybe your right, but then again I don't care about the kernel and neither does 99% of smartphone users.

My opinions don't mean that I would prefer WP7 over meego I'm just too tired of this FUD and hatred. Too much feelings involved. It's business guys.

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Bad business.

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Business hurts your feelings or stock portfolio? :)

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Well the topic of thread is lets talk Nokia stock.

Nokia share price, Nokia's financials, market analysts and things that are usually used to measure business seem to all agree that it's bad business.

But sure lets be less negative if it upsets you.

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics...y_dog-7158.jpg

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Well, someone DID claim a while back they discovered a Nokia email address for him... :eek:

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I have read some interesting comments here
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...ge/4/#comments

The different post about how Apple and Nokia handle big transition are dramatically true.

I could't agree more to the comment from "MIP":

"... Now whether that is because Elop is obliged by contract to sacrifice the N9 despite the rave reviews it has received, or if he is doing it simply by choice, is a moot point if the end result is the same: Nokia, under Elop, is currently not allowed to maximize its profits.

And THAT is a reason itself to question his postition as a CEO."

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Stop fooling yourself. For several years Nokia tumbled with no aim and no direction believing that their OS'es would magically transform themselves to streamlined modern iOS-like wonders simply by going open source. In hindsight, it is an almost criminally naive philosophy for a large company like Nokia to have. What is needed is strong leadership, excellent programmers and focus, focus focus.

Nothing wrong with open source, but it is not the right method to make a competitive end user OS, not without "corporate disciplined" teams.

The MeeGo philosophy where 1.2 still is a pre alpha release, just isn't good enough.

The N9 is cool and will be purchased, not because of Linux, but because of Swipe (not open source) and the complete out of the box experience. "No" N9 for the US, UK etc is an unfortunate result of all the errors done in previous years.

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Well, I just want one correction -

For several years Nokia tumbled with no aim and no direction believing that their OS'es would magically transform themselves to streamlined modern iOS-like wonders simply by imitation going open source.

They actually doesn't do anything serious with open source - just look and compare with Google. No support, no push to market, no applications ... of course, they lost.

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What are talking about ? Past Nokia have cost the CEO position despite having create a valuable company at his time. The new CEO is extremely different and shocking because it start by trashing the company values and credits. Read "the Elop effect" page.

You are correct that peoples will mostly buy the N9 because of swipe and overall experience. How the N9 was created don't interest most of them. This is a value that Nokia created and must capitalize, not actively kill. Nothing related to the Open Source, etc...

Now is should be noted that N9 Meego is actually capable to provides a hit product. This is not a small fact in the business. Tons of companies are trying to provides a hit product to the market. This is not easy for sure. So when this happens, this must be the top priority of the CEO to maximize the opportunity. Company lives because there sell products, not because there deserve some ego to there CEO.

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Whoo! Nokia stock went down from yesterday but it's managed to still close at a relative high number of 6.09, reversing the direction from the sliding dive of the past month. I have to admit that I'm surprised. It's been upward since August 11th (after the earnings numbers were released). That blows out my guess of hitting 4 in mid-August. :) My guess is that the earnings puffery about "still being in the lead for smartphones" helped lull investors back in for the short-term. I still think Nokia will, in the long run, continue downward instead of up but... well played for now. Well played. :)

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It's moving between 5.5 and 6 but it seems to be holding steady at late July numbers.

What is really interesting is that HP seems to be taking a Platform Burning exercise right now. Like for Nokia, that means a big stock market plunge. Another OS gives in to Android, it seems.

Another thing I noticed in passing is that Bada seems to have passed Windows Phone in sales. Well, they've crossed eachother as Microsoft dropped to under 2 mill in Q2 and Bada rised to over 2 mill.

Way to go, Nokias chosen horse! Go go go!

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And now, Nokia has fallen to number 5 (!) in smartphone shipments in Europe:

1. Samsung: 22%
2. Apple: 21%
3. HTC: 14.3%
4. RIM: 13.9%
5. Nokia: 11%

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/te...s-concern.html

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I'm so p***ed off at NOKIA. They caused themselves to die.
I'm so p****ed off at Palm. They caused themselves to die.

Both companies are so weak compared to the competition, but together they could've become the most powerful.

• Well firstly they individually have a large patent portfolio and together they're arsenal would be large enough to not be bullied (unlike LG, HTC, Samsung etc) but potentially even bully others.

• Secondly Nokia is the leader in hardware quality, and Palm is also excellent. Together we would see iPhone 4 workmanship in the middle-price of the market, basically causing everyone to lower their prices or step their game up = promote innovation

• Nokia is a world renown especially in the third world countries. But they have basically no market in the Nth Americas. Palm has a good reputation too, but its limited to Nth America only. Together "The World Is Yours".

• Palm has built a very robust os with user friendly experience to their devices. Nokia was building a flexible os with cross-compatible native apps. Basically they are Ying and Yang.

• Both companies have big developer communities, which pale in comparison to Apple's and Google's. But together they make a modest sum. And now every oem realizes the importance of developers to their platform.

• And I believe, had Nokia collaborated instead of HP, we'd see MeeGo released possibly before WP7. And seeing the growth which WP7 had over this ~6months, its very limited and quite slow.
  
• Basically Palm completes NOKIA, and vice versa.

I think the adoption rate would've been immense, not iPhone 4 rate, but certainly superior to Galaxy S sales. Which would mean MeeGo would've surpassed all ecosystems except iOS and Android... and possibly RIM (which would be overtaken soon).

I believe had NOKIA played their cards right in this volatile market; Dell, ASUS, Acer, LG, HP, ZTE would adopt MeeGo because of its advantages over Android especially in regards to patent protection. I think even later, Motorola would join, possibly even Samsung (doubtful of HTC and Sony Ericsson).

So that is a $1.5B investment they discarded, which would've have a healthy return (to power). But instead NOKIA wasted that entire year and lost ~$48B.

What do you guys think NOKIA's share value would be if my hindsight (actually was my foresight) is what had occurred?
I'm estimating an average of $10.45 compared to last weeks $5.30 share values.

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Nokia has had an "okay" month. It's been falling most of the month but had a fast rise so all in all it's about the same as 30 days ago. Which must be considered good in comparison to the rest of the post-elopgate era.

As to an Nokia+Palm union, I don't have a clue as to whether that would be a good move or not. :B

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It is looking really bad. Rumours are getting stronger and stronger. Microsoft is likely acquiring Nokia pretty soon. Damn u Elop and Ollila!

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Google knows how to develop software, Nokia doesn't. It will be fun to see how Google handles Motorola. If they make use of their common sense, they will let the hardware die and concentrate on the patents, but I doubt they manage to resist the burning urge to rule the world with both HW and software.