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pffft! my grandad was doing that on his 3230! really i expected more from u guys! :P

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anyone hase the answer?

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probably a segmentation fault, will be fixed in next version * hopefully*

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What database the program uses to identify the songs?

How many songs this database has?

If it doesn´t recognize it, is there any way that I can add this info into the database?

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Again apologies for the slow update cycle. We're at a point where we don't want to patch the existing back end storage model (which is responsible for the vast majority of pain right now) and are instead focused on rolling out an entirely redesigned back end. Sorry it's taking so long :(

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Take it slow, do it right. We'll be here.

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Great, another music player for the N900 without basic play by folder. Seriously, how hard is that to implement? I'd have guessed playing by metadata is harder to code than simply list the directories in .sounds.

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You're right it's not hard to code. What's less clear, though, is how such an app would work. Do we show directories as playlists? What if there are nested directories? Do we just become a dumb file browser and if so, what's the use case -- why is searching/browsing by filepath or more useful (or even useful at all) over title/artist/album/etc?

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the one feature that would make this app for me would be the ability to select music by date i.e. play all new music copied onto the device... i regularly buy music and sync it ove to my n900 on a weekly basis and at this point with 3000+ tracks on there it gets lost or hard to find.

another great feature would be the ability to select music based on the rating found in the mp3's tag and to also let users rate music and then store this in the tag. most music players let you select music based on rating and popularity (number of times you listened to individual tracks). it was dissapointing that the built in player missed both of these features...

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IMHO, first of all, many of us already have the mp3 ordered by folders. And not being able to add them this way is quite annoying.
The second example is if you have a folder with i.e. a compilation:Instead of losing ages by editing the id3 album tags and so on, adding the folder is the fastest way.
another reason, is that at least for me, I still have a lot of mp3 downloaded from napster, and whit really messy id3 tags.
4: is quite annoying seeing your favorite artist's songs splitted in many different lists couse you have "audioslave", "Audioslave", and "AUDIOSLAVE". Lists grow exponentially when spaces/other simbols are involved (ie depeche-mode, or red hot chili peppers).
Last one is: someone just hate searching in DBs. And this is exactly the reason why I'm not using your app.
:)

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One example use case would be me and my music collection - A fair portion of my digitized music was ripped from my CD collection perhaps 10 years ago, and back then ID3 tagging was fairly rudimentary, and not even provided by many CD rippers.
So, I have the majority of my music collection sitting in per-artist folders of my own creation, with incomplete/no ID3 tags. Using playlist-based players always results in my music being sorted horribly badly as a result, trying to play music by a particular artist will always end up with it being split between the artist's name and "unknown", possibly with variations on the artist's name in some cases, with different capitalisations, dashes instead of spaces, etc etc.
In other words, the use-case is for people like me who have their music collections sorted the way they want it, without having spent countless hours making sure every single track has correct ID3 tagging in place, and just wants to listen to some music by X or Y artist.

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The directories are more then needed. Do you think I know all the artists/albums or song names?
I have a folder in my phone with my fovorites songs...
It easy to show the path than to type a name who almost every time you can't remember. On the other side what playing by folder has to do with playlists? There are separate features and we, the final users can choose what fits best for us.

I really don't see the point of developing features like: Instinctiv Shuffle or others Shuffle options who even are not working proprely! Shuffle, shuffle and shuffle again! Waste of time!
And why I should share with you my playlists??

Take as example the application of Lonly Cat Games with this Main Features:

• High-quality stereo playback
• MP3, AAC*, FLAC and OGG music formats
• Includes free SHOUTcast™ Internet radio directory
• Fine volume control - 100 levels from silence to loudness
• Sleep timer letting you to fall asleep with your music
• 10-band equalizer with several presets
• Playlist editor - add, remove, save, load, order your songs
• Bookmarks for comfortable playback of audio books
• Album image search on Internet
• Lyrics search and display
• Playback in normal or random order
• Mini mode displayed on phone idle screen
• Playback of Tracker music (MOD file format)

Simple and reliable application!!!!!!!!
For more info and screenshots look here:http://www.lonelycatgames.com/?app=lcgjukebox

This is what we need and this should be your focus!

I know that this work for us is for free, but this is your choice and it not must be an escuse!

Anyway I will pay big money for a software like Jukebox.

Do it! And you will see alot of happy users!
Thanks!

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Just a suggestion for the developers, to help solve this.

Would it be possible to have a few older versions installable from the repos, to allow peeps to "roll back" to a previous stable version?
Or failing that, have a few .deb files somewhere that can be downloaded and installed via x-terminal.

I'm still using 0.3.14 as this seems to be pretty stable on my device, apart from the odd 100% CPU bug and the clunky scrolling through the album list.

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Well, I can't speak for most users, but a LOT of us have a huge music collection that takes up almost all the phone's memory. That's 30+ GBs of music that has been collected over years and years.
What that means, that most of them don't have metadata or inconsistent metadata.
It's going to be a pain inserting that metadata into 1500+ files. It would take MONTHS and most of us have jobs haha.
Besides, as a user, I'd like to have freedom of how my music is organized and not a piece of software that tells me how to do it.

The way that the tracks are organized is very simple. I just dumped my music folder to .sounds the way it was organized in my previous player (and on my PC):

Pretentious Band - Pretentious Album/Pretentious Song1.mp3
Pretentious Band2 - Pretentious Album2/Pretentious Song2.mp3
Game Soundtracks/Metal Gear Solid 3 OST/song1.mp3

And so forth and so forth.
Since I have my music organized by albums and some misc categories like that, it's much easier to browse through.

Look at the way MediaBox can handle organizing file brosing. Basically like that.

Also, will the interface be faster in the future? Can you make it so it utilizes the GPU for faster scrolling and so forth?

What I really like about this player is that it loads fast, uses minimal resources and looks really awesome. Great eyecandy.

If that simple "Browse By folder" function will be added this might just make me turn over from MediaBox as my default player because of the looks and lower battery drain.

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@ peter@instinctiv.com : I'm looking forward for your feedback!

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is there a .deb file of it please?

Thanks in advance. I don't own a WiFi yet or 3G :S

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I may be wrong but I think that properly tagged music is quite important for this application and the developers' ambitions for it. If you don't feel like retagging your music (or just downloading properly tagged versions of it) then don't, but you really can't expect the developers to change their plans to suit your preferred method of remembering what your music's called.

And as for Shoutcast integration - surely there are dedicated internet radio apps more suited to that.

Audiobooks? This is a music app that is intended to detect your mood and play you things to suit that mood - do you expect it to pick up that you fancy hearing a chapter of Martin Amis followed shortly afterwards by some Steinbeck?

Lyrics? Really? You want your N900 to be a karaoke machine too?

I think this piece of software is coming along nicely and I hope that people give it the chance to develop and not demand that it be something they think they want.

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those answers were referred to peter's question 'what's the user' . I guess none of us use instinctiv, and this is exacly why.
anyhow.. if something like mood in musicovery will be implemented i will give a try at tagging...

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im looking for folder browse too :) thats the way i have all my music in order :)

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I think most non itunes users will have their music organised in a simple artist\album\song structure - when I use Rockbox I don't use the database as I prefer to browse that way and I have a lot of live recordings that tend to freak the database out a bit (Coltrane worked with a lot of people). How about if instinctiv devs agree to implement folder browsing and end users agree to spend a little time sorting out their tags (it really is very simple these days) to make sure that they get the most from using the application?

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I have problem locating an english dump for the evopedia 4.0 verison..

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Owning a gun and shooting people are not the same. Also, one opinion is as good as another.

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I don't use itunes (never even installed it) and I keep my music all perfectly tagged. It's very easy to do. I also keep it organised in a good folder structure, this way I don't need to worry about how a music program manages the music.

If you go to the trouble of keeping it all organised in folder structure there are tons of programs out there that will translate this structure into tags and tag your music for you (and vice versa - tags to folder/file structure).

The best tagging program I found is Picard (http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardTagger - win/linux/mac) which gets as much information about your tracks from filename and tag info and then uses the musicbrainz database to tag and rename it all for you. it'll even get cover art.

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Press CTRL+SHIFT+R at the same time to switch to landscape-portrait

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Unless there's a massive public outcry I'm going to politely ignore your argument (for now) -- not because it's a bad one -- I totally get it -- but I think there's a much better way of fixing this. Just fix the friggin metadata. As part of the mega update we're working on we'll be rolling out the ability to auto correct your tags (just as we fetch missing artwork). This seems to solve the problem you have AND (and this is the important part) it takes out the administrative chore of organizing your stuff manually by folders.

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We'll have the "real" thing out soon-ish. Portrait mode isn't officially supported yet, hence the keystroke only access for now ;)

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If you'll read my wall of text in the previous page, you'll see why "fixing the friggin metadata" is not really a viable option.

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I don't really see why it would take months to fix the tags on your files - perhaps if you were introducing new tags like "length of lead singer's hair at time of recording" then the process might be a bit messy, but you'll find that the important data (artist, album, song, year, genre) is already available and easily accessible in teh internets. For a long time I didn't bother with tags either, then I started using Music IP mixer as I realised that I had tonnes of music on my server that I wasn't hearing because I was simply choosing stuff out of habit. Music IP mixer requires your music to be tagged so that it can create playlists of music that are similar or linked. The process of tagging the files took a couple of afternoons, but then this was on my main media server and there is a hell of a lot of stuff on there.


TLDR - tagging is worth the effort

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The simple process of tagging artist - album - song is what's going to take a long time since I'd have to do over 1000 files individually. That's pretty self explanatory as to why it would take ages to do.

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Tagging ~100 GB of mp3 (or almost 20.000 files...) took me a few days using a tool called tagscanner.

Regarding tags, currently instinctiv does not allow selection by Genre - are you planning to implement this?
Would really love to see this!

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Approx 12,000 tracks - couple of afternoons. Mind you, I did use software to scan the tracks and locate the tags rather than adding the tags to each track individually.

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peter has said on this page and previously that they're working on an automatic metadata fixer, so you dont have to do it yourself. even if they weren't fixing songs one at a time is a last resort, there are programs to help, and if it comes right down to it ctrl+v then next is a very simple and useful (albeit it boring) command for doing many at a time.

i'm sure i'm not the only one who is incredibly impressed with what instinctiv has achieved already and excited by what is promised to come, please dont try and divert the project onto a completely different track simply because you cant be bothered to clean your own files, if what you seek is a completely dofferent player then go seek a different player, dont kill the potential of this one.

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So you're saying that I am killing the potential of this software by simply stating my opinion as to why browsing by folders is better for some people?
You need to get your head checked, buddy.

Anyway, I've been trying to use Instinctiv and I have a major critique - It's pretty damn slow. It sometimes even freezes (while the audio keeps playing).
Any plans on improving that or even adding some GPU acceleration to make is smooth and fast?

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first of all my heads fine thankyou very much, buddy.

and only the first segment of that was aimed at you, the second was for people in general wanting something completely different. i totally get why you may want to navigate by folders, but claiming its the only way and fixing the medatada isn't an option is just bull.

also your critique about the issues of slowness, freezing, and whats being worked on have been adressed previously in this thread.

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Ok plus one for public outcry :) How about this: right where we have songs, titles, artists, albums, playlists (and eventually genres) we also add folders that lists the outermost unique folder name? Not obtrusive, won't interfere with the way other people use the app and adds a single UI element? Whadya think?

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I can't see anything wrong with that! hehe.

Also, I hate to be a nag but what's the status on the speed improvement? I actually found the player to be unusable (I've been trying it for a few days as my default player) and it keeps locking and being generally unresponsive.
Will you be able to add GPU accel or something like that in the future?

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This has been a source of major butt hurt for a large number of users. We're a day or so away from releasing a fix that will solve (let me make a number up and say) roughly 80% of the pain for 80% of users. The other 20% is still a long ways off, I'm afraid -- at least another two weeks. We will get there, though, and we know how to get there it's just a lot of work. No comment on GPU acceleration :p

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this is the most informative no comment ever! :)

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Sounds good to me!

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definitely :o