Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 

stock is just a proof elop its a terrible CEO.

his complete fascination with a burning platform (windows phone 7) says he is a trojan.

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Halfway right. The other half, if Microsoft makes a move on Nokia - beyond strategic alliance, say an OEM level partnership... that would be evidence enough for me to say that his actions and decisions were intentional.

Odd thing... Microsoft is gearing up to debut Windows Phone 7 Mango in Japan. Very same market that Nokia/Vertu just pulled out of recently...

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We're in a digital wasteland...

Our overlords have died...

The trolls die off and come back as zombies with different usernames...

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The stock is proof of all the failures done in the previous years. WP will be fine. The N9 will also be fine, it will be a classic, and it will be the only high end device available from Nokia in most of the world due to MS being slow deploying their ecosystem. But S40 will save Nokia.

WP will be back with a vengeance. With Nokia in the game, there will be competition, who produces the best WP phone; Nokia, Samsung or to some extent HTC. That alone is enough to get the ball rolling. Samsung will also be better off with WP than pesky Google.

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lets be honest here, Wp7 is failure, 1.6m over all manufacturers and such marketing its a huge failure.

nokia at much will be able to double it sales.. but they still poor 2m. at much they start moving 4m per quarter.

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This is all nonsense. How much did Android sell the first year? But I agree to some extent, either WP/NOK will catch on, or it won't. I definitely believe it will, but it will take some time and WP will never become the "new Android". WP (the ecosystem) is not fully available throughout the intended market before at least a year from today, and world wide it will take even longer. By that time we will see Windows 8 and windows tablets, it will be a very different game altogether than we see today.

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if recall droid/milesone was a success for motorola.

samsung galasy S sold more than 10m

i dont seem to understand , even own samsung BADA it outselling all wp7 manufacturers put together. thats how bad are sales.

and i remind u wp7 shareds 500m marketing campaign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHlN21ebeak those ads were everywhere.

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 

Don't try to reason with ericsson, he was vaccinated for it when he was very little.

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common sense isn't that common.

poor nokia, its gotta keep bleeding marketshare.

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I am not much of a fan of yours but i agree with this post in general because now Nokia who are the worlds best hardware manufacturers, have got together with M/S, the push will be astronomical both on the hardware and software side so what we have seen to date on W7 mobiles will drastically change very soon.

Wait and see instead of hating people who talk good of M/S, i am no fan i can assure you but i am not blinded by hate !.

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Android had only 1 device in it's first year. Bada has one now (the wave 2 - and some wave 1 leftovers) and it outsells WP with 11 devices (not counting the newly announced ones) by 2 to one

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...ne/glance.aspx

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A voice of reason among virtual CEOs. I am buying more nokia stock as they will double in 8 months. Unlike you, I have confidence
They will do well. A marriage of a best software company with the best hardware company is bound to shake up a market. Meego and maemo are irrelevant

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Very. Always to the point

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"best software company" ROTFL you better say best cut&paste company...

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As much as i agree with you i think you will not be so popular on here with statements like that among all the M/S haters :D.

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Surely - that's Apple..?

EDIT: In response to mikecomputing's last comment, above :o

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I think we can agree that Apple is the king of cut'n paste (in every aspect), a fact that is proven in court.

MS-Nokia will be OK because they have the will and guts to do it. That is reason number one. The first WP was limited in too many ways to be attractive. The hardware-built on all the first WP phones were way below OK standard.

Now, Nokia and Samsung will compete head to head, pushing the industry fwd. They both want MS rather than Android. HTC and LG will come along for the ride, possibly also SE.

I want MS+Nokia to succeed because Nokia makes the best phones by far. It will simply be too bad if they went down the drain.

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Now we are getting somewhere :D.

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Did you see the amazing Apple profits for this quarter? Meego has no chance, hence MS-NOKIA alliance. I think that in many ways the war is over, but hope, and I put some money on it, that there is still some horse power left in the ole NOKIA

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Everyone on here that hates M/s need to remember the devices then were way back in todays standards and the very reason they did not perform good at all.

Take Windows xp with 256mb ram and then you have your answer !.

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@ ysss are we starting to troll again? bored are we ? ;)

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You stole the words right out of my mouth.

Windows Phone will only come into its own from Mango onwards, and Apollo will be the first opportunity to see any significant contribution from Nokia.

I don't know if Elop will prove to be a Trojan or not, but it is certainly too soon to call this either way.

If I had to inject some balance against all the Nokia/Elop haters I'd point out that if Elop is a Trojan for MS, surely it'd be easier, more credible, and less damaging to WP to bring Nokia to its knees by allowing it to continuing with Symbian and Meego instead of linking Nokia's now well-publicised struggles with Microsoft's new baby?

If MS buy out a Nokia that has publicly failed with WP, what will that say about WP as an OS/ecosystem? Who will buy it then?

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You hit the nail right on then and the very reason i was thinking a long time ago that if Elop wanted to sink Nokia then to have left them as they were would be the way to go not join them with M/S.

The pure logic of the title of this thread is down to hatred and in life when you hate something it makes you blind to the real situation.

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The Apple show of horror. But you are wrong. Google is the big winner. The "war" is definitely not over and it never will be. Phones are personal, like clothing or perhaps like cars or jewelry. Fashion plays a big part, much bigger than geekish obsession with specs. Besides, the market is gigantic, there is room for many different systems and platforms. The "war" is mostly in the heads of fanboys and no-brain bloggers. For Nokia, Samsung and the rest it's simply business as usual.

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 

I returned back my NOKIA e6. Couldnt hack my corporate email. No wonder symbian is going away.....

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 

Show of horror? Wrong bud. Its a show of what consumer loves, and they are they have become experts in tailoring their products towards the masses.

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I guess ericsson is an apple hater but he means well ;).

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He is a good kid. A voice of reason among NOKIA dead wood.

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Yep i agree totally with that one and it made me laugh too :D.

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Found a booger ...?
... a big bad one ...?

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Its awesome fun to see erricson, abill_uk and the few newcomers appointed to the position of honorary trolls patting each other on the back.

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Thanks.

I have decided not to argue the point with those who believe that a falling share price is undeniable evidence of some conspiracy theory. As my Grandfather used to say: "you can't educate pork"

There are no winners here; If the Trojan-ists are proved right we all lose the benefit to the market of the independence of a truly great device manufacturer.

But even if they are wrong, the FUD spread by threads like this impacts on Nokia profitability and, therefore, investment on the Maemo/Meego devices we are most interested in through this site.

Although the question mark that should have punctuated the title of this thread is missing, I think the question posed has been answered as best it can be for now and the thread should now be closed pending some real evidence.

Because none has been presented here so far.

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 

Careful now. Remember, it takes one to see one :D

Here on TMO a troll is anyone who doesn't:
1. "hate" Elop, or at least express some token "hatred" min once a week.
2. "love" open source: "love" = blind idealism
3. "hate" MS, see number 1.

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 

Absolutely on all your comments here.

How can there be any evidence that he is a "trojan horse", certainly not a fall in share price as this will happen even at a sniff of any company going in another direction especially one with such a high profile as Nokia.

This thread is all about hatred of Microsoft nothing else and certainly Nokia had huge problems before the appointment of Elop as a CEO.

If you look at the actions he took to start the upward turn of a downward spiralling company, by getting out some of the current staff was the right thing to do because let's face it it was them that made the company go the downturn for what ever bad reasons or decisions that was bringing Nokia down.

I would hazard a guess and say he got rid of the software team as i think that was where the major problems were occuring.

Radical decisions had to be made and for sure he got radical and to the point, many people did not like the fact people lost there job's but it was the only way if a company is to be saved.

He needs to be given the chance and i am sure this is the case, just not on this community as it is full of people without business strategy and management knowledge.

Those of us who have owned and run companies are well aware but on here your dealing with Nokian die hards that only see an end result or product without the knowledge of how it actually got there in the first place.

Elop is clear on his strategy and is true to form of a good stategist dealing with a company that had become a bad risk and the negligable strategic decisions Nokia had been making, because all his actions so far are what you would expect from a CEO that means business and aims to completely turn things around.

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Maybe now we can close this rediculous thread ?.

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lol even trolls have common sense.

this guys are paid to spread ********. :).

bada > WP7. there is numbers to prove it.

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Ask yourself a question ok, the WP7 device your refering too, who made it?.

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IMO the pro-elop camp never showed any business strategy or management knowledge. With my very limited knowledge of what is going on at nokia I would say "wp7 only" is the wrong decision. Very risky (wp7 not exactly a success), destroying brand value (loyality to windows not nokia), damaging the Qt ecosystem (which they should push hard) and too much dependence on MS.

But I don't know what else is going on at nokia, maybe they'll have s40 with swipe UI ready in a few months, or some really disruptive meego tech ahead, or will offer plenty of services (not only maps) on all wp7 phones or w8 tablets.

Those are big IFs, so until proven wrong the wp7 strategy is a mistake.

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Q2 numbers are in.
symbian is dead.nokia lost 700m dollars. half billion euro.

this is WORSE results than expected.

gj Elop you managed to make something no nokia CEO managed to.

wp7 not only have to be a success to make huge profits.

that means more than galaxy s II numbers.

16,7m smartphones sold... elop killed nokia and gave the marketshare to apple and samsung.

nokia is THIRD smartphone manufacturer.