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I never knew Wikiwide was not just randomly addressing me after I had posted.........Oh wait :rolleyes:



Basically this. Was it so hard for someone to give me a decent response?.

I totally understood why I thought the chances of getting back my money are slim. It's not the money I'm worried about. I'm not even concerned if I get an actual product. However, the least we should get from the project owner is constant progress and reassurance.

At the time I pre ordered, it sounded like a project which may have been completed fairly quickly. I mean, how hard can it be to design and make a case, when there are hundreds of Chinese products made on a daily basis?

I apologise to anyone if they thought my tone was not coherent. It was never my intention. I just wanted to know what had actually happened or if he had decided to ditch the project.

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i wouldnt want to make one.
But, since its so easy. Why dont you do it?

This is a disgrace. And not something that is very encouraging.

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Why should I? I'm not the one volunteering openly and asking for donations. I know I don't have the time to make it, so I wouldn't exactly mislead consumers to donate for my cause.

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doom
dont go all firey everyone is anticapiting nobody has anything concrete more like ladys gossip and as juicey mangoes explained
lets hope for the best
;)

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How hard can it be?

I'm not saying any of what is to come as a rant or to chide anyone ...including you Jaag.
A few in the past have gotten upset with the timeline...you are not the 1st.
What is a 1st here...is me piping up finally.

1- Consistent updates are a needful thing. yup. I agree.

2- I commiserate for those pinning hope on any one "thing" really I do.

3- The resources and labour costs Estel has gone through I can with absolute certainty say has FAR outstripped the donation / downpayments given.

4- As well voices of reason have said that it is a project by an individual and not a company and as a consequence it makes it a longer more arduous task to complete which may or may not come to fruition.

I must admit though... I am mighty tired of people thinking that the making of a thing ( and to boot a thing so specific in it's dimensions as Estels back cover) is a simple, quick and easy thing.
In fact ..that being said in so easy a way...said in so casual a way...it makes me quite angry. (and that takes a lot)
It's akin to the impatient motorist asking the engineer why the delay in the making of the road in front of him? How hard can it be?

I'm not speaking out of my hat.
I'm a "maker of things physik" by trade since I could pick up my gramps tools..I'm pushing toward 50 yrs. old now...
whatever I bend my hand and eye to ...turns out beautiful and works...I can count on one hand the failures that couldn't work.
I went to college and university pushing my skills...in graphic design, painting, illustrating, carving, making instruments (gramps was a harp, lute, violin and dulcimer maker so as a kid I followed his footsteps...I still make harps today) and building / making "odd" things.
I've toyed and enjoyed everything from hand or human powered tools to virtual environments in creating things..all the way from lathes to cnc machines...wood, stone, bone, antler, plastic, metal, glass...you think of the material I've used it.

I've made all kinds of diverse things in my time.

Making what Estel is trying to make is not as simple as it is being downplayed or portrayed to be.

And to reiterate...from what I know...of the hurdles he has faced and the time he has had to spend on the probs he has encountered...
most certainly Estel has put MUCH more than the total donated / downpayed amount from all donors.... in monies in costs out of his own pocket and in his and others labour spent.
This project he has been trying to complete for many people has been costing him ...I'm sure.

Success or failure however and in whatever way it could be viewed or explained away ...
is not relevant at all.
Let him finish.

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maybe its the silence before a strom :)

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Any news?

kindest regards


peter

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any updates? it has been a while...

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bump. ????????

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No posts since February of this year(2015), but he still logs in and lurks.
Last Activity: 2015-08-22 18:22

http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=52130

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

"Still logs in and lurks" may just be a family member using the same computer. I do not know how exactly it works but I am permanently logged in to TMO from four different devices and never bother logging out which may give the impression that I am online even though I took a few very long breaks this summer.

In fact, even when I logged out, opening any post logged me back in without any action on my side. No username/password request or anything. Probably the cost of not using HTTPS for this website.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

@pichlo
probably you should edit your bookmarks pointing at:
https://talk.maemo.org ;)

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Cool, I seem to have missed that TMO has a secure connection. Does using HTTPS here provide any interesting benefits?

Also, Chrome is giving me a warning when accessing the site this way:

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A protected authentication without clear data flowing through the web.

There is still some reference pointing at http hrefs.

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Yeeeeeey!!!! :)

EDIT1: Did not help. I was still logged back in after logging out and then opening any random post.
EDIT2: Sorry, I was speaking from my rear end. I cleared the cookies and now when I log out I stay logged out.

(ehm, should we ask the mods to split this into a new thread?)

Like a Kickstarter gone bad...
 

I don't think a bump will help at this point.

As time moves on, this prediction (from 14+ months ago) seems to be inching closer and closer toward being a sad reality.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

Would it work with Neo900 - bare board version?

If yes, would it need additional parts?

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It is referred to the fact it would work with the neo...
However...if there is no movement on this project's completion betwixt now and the shipment of the neo...
That is "if"...
I would speculate that if this back cover is not finished to the point of manufacture and shipping by the neo shipment dates...
then there is a high likelihood ..it will never be ready...
I would wish different...
I wish the back cover to succeed..
but there are underlying stress-point times which won't help the back cover project...
the aging fleet of n900's and their users ...[it is a battle against entropy here..]
and the soon to be released neo...
Estel's gotta catch that wave...
If he misses it ...
it will be diminishing return from there on out...
It isn't what I "think" or "believe"...
it is just how dynamics play out universally...

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Is that it?

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Is "what" it?
Vague question...
A question with more meat than 3 words would help...

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I think it is safe to say the odds of this Al cover going into production which were below 25% from the day of the announcement are negligible at this point.
There have been pages now of wondering where Estel has gone in the sunset years of the N900.
For example, the only way I ever got the no-show 'like new' phone I bought from Estel was to reverse my paypal payment, a few months after the reverse a beat up barely functional N900(failed and unflashable 3 months later) arrived and I ended up having to pay paypal back and they paid estel $250.
Consider any money contributed to the project to be lost, as a one off maybe Estel has an Al cover, nobody, including those who prepaid will get a cover unless they have a lever to use on Estel.
Even if he did reappear and arrange a run on CNC I would expect him to deliver a rough cut with no finish or spraypaint.
Estel was once a good source of N900 hacking info, but he is gone from TMO, as are the always unlikely dreams of a cover which probably would have made using the phone as a phone(RF blockage) difficult to impossible.

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Someone might try sending him a regular mail or paying him a visit (if you live near Piaseczno in Poland) and ask if there are any chances for anything at all and if maybe he would like to write some closing statement in this thread... His address is really easy to find online (his real name is publicly known as he was a community council some time ago and he had a small commercial company in the past, therefore according to law in Poland his address is publicly listed in CEIDG online database - which by the way shows that at some point in time he was really commited to manufacturing some electronic and related parts). I would visit him just to ask why he left our community without word if I lived closer to him... And check if he's allright maybe (maybe something bad happened to him?).

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+2 to the above....
I concur with both biketool and misiak...

It is looking grimmer and grimmer as one day becomes the next, one week becomes the next and months pass by without any update whatsoever ..

It is also increasingly alarming that...
as misiak aptly put it ...
Estel may be either ill, in dire financial straits or otherwise incapacitated and unable to be present here..

As far as the project goes...
Project update or closure would be a small kindness for those who invested...

As far as community compassion goes ...
we really should find out if one of our own is alright...

If he is or isn't ok ...and isn't interested in communicating...then there is an answer... however incomplete.

If he flat-out isn't ok at all and is struggling...we can [at the very least] offer well-wishing, commiseration, or whatever kindness in support ...be understanding... and patiently wait for his return, the projects conclusion or the projects continuance...

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Before we start with the well-wishes, commiseration, whatnot, what has happened to the other fellow that was his official response person? Has he/she disappeared as well?

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Valid question.
There is/was more than 1 person on the project.
Whether that/those person(s) are still with the project is another matter.

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You think? ;)

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There are pics of another person posted..
and correspondence by someone rep-ing the project a while ago..

What...
you think a hired actor... pichlo?
hehehee

hmmm...
actually...
if Donald Trump can do it...
why not anyone?
seems a lot of effort ...
and it seems a stretch surmising that though...
I think there was indeed someone working with and rep-ing the project for a time at least...

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That's easy to resolve. Compare the IP's. If they're different, then we have a real live second person, or persons, that were part of this project.

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Not hard to use different IP's if you have any sense...

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Agree. But then again, would you put faith in a person to deliver something that would do that?

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My faith in Jolla is as much as in Estel:rolleyes:

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I feel like psychic on this forum. I told a long time ago that there would be nothing delivered on this project. i think it was more than a year ago :)

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Wrong, woody was the first one since the time Estel and n950s distribution fiasco happened.

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has anyone here actually paid any money up front?

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Well, ZogG did not say he was the first. So, technically, he was not wrong ;)

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Y'know, this kind of reminds me of a comic I once saw posted here... ;)

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/technically.png

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I do not brag out it, but i was the one of the first who also made the noise about 4 out of 5 council members getting n950 and that time i was called whiner and negative too, but the end I and few more people let to the actions and his resignation :)

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...88&postcount=3

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That one did not stick well with me either.

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Oh, so you are the person mainly responsible for keeping this community divided and ensuring that nobody gains anything for being a member of the council.

Good Job!!! Your efforts have truly paid off for everyone here.

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Sorry Cop, but I don't get it. Are you advocating embezzlement?

Besides, why should anyone gain anything from being a Council member? Does history not teach us that being able to gain from being on a committee is exactly the root of the problem?