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milanjakob

2012-07-11 13:43

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by sony123 (Post 1235779)

The name in my head begins with an A.... pure speculation of course.

Acer or Asus, i think it might be realistic that its (at least?) one of them. I think Asus doesnt has a phone out yet, but are quite strong in the android tablet market (transformer). Still possible that they enter the smartphone segment with something else than android, since samsung is going too strong there and its very hard to compete. Acer only threw out some low end and midrange Androids. So Jolla could also be a chance for them.
Also Huawei is about the take off in the european market (at least they intend to i think) and besides Android they will also use WP8 so why not Jolla? It seems they are following a similiar strategy to Samsung.

I would prefer Asus as i've read many things about their hardware and built quality.
HTC has also build very nice hardware with the One Series (especially the One X, looks verrrrrry nice!) but i don't expect them to work with Jolla.

milanjakob

2012-07-11 13:48

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1235953)

I think we have to clarify some rumors regulary to get rid of stupid rumors on the net:

1. Jolla is not Nokia company
2. Jukka Eklund is not working at Jolla(But he should have all damn crediting for he started the twitter success for jollamobile :)
3. There will NOT be two devices. ONE is in the pipeline so far. (See interview below)
4. There is not any Nokia patent moved to Jolla LTD
5. Nokia does not pay this company more than everyone else. However Nokia give some upstart money to people theyr fired if they starts new companys.
6. There is NO sign that Jolla is Nokias "planB"

http://www.intomobile.com/2012/07/11...ext-available/

We dont know, Nokias offical statement on the is that they "cant give any details about license agreements that may exist"

att	2012-07-11 14:48

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by milanjakob (Post 1236025)

My understanding is that Acer doesn't manufacture its own phones. For example Acer WP7 phones were designed and manufactured (ODM) by Compal Communications. The same company that makes at least Nokia's Lumia 800 phones.

Asus has spinned off its ODM manufacturing and it is now independent company known as Pegatron Corporation which is rumored to design and manufacture Microsoft's Surface tablets.

Rauha

2012-07-11 15:12

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by milanjakob (Post 1236028)

We dont know, Nokias offical statement on the is that they "cant give any details about license agreements that may exist"

It was totally baseless seculation that made no sense.

But since people are willing to take any silly theory, here's a snippet from Intomobiles interview with CEO of Jolla:

"Stefan: There’s been a lot of confusion regarding patents from Nokia. Have they given you any? Are they licensing you any? What’s the situation there?

Jussi (=CEO of Jolla): Nokia actually answered these questions yesterday because TechCrunch was speculating that Nokia “gifted” us some IPR. I can say that Nokia doesn’t “gift” IPR.

lma	2012-07-11 15:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1236072)

Jussi (=CEO of Jolla): Nokia actually answered these questions yesterday because TechCrunch was speculating that Nokia “gifted” us some IPR. I can say that Nokia doesn’t “gift” IPR.

Except when it does, which should apply to Jolla if they use an "official" kernel.

rcolistete

2012-07-11 15:37

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Setok (Post 1235665)

Btw. iOS's multitasking is way more than mere taskswitching. I think they made the right compromise there, making it easier to control how apps use resources. You don't tend to get those runaway situations that you get on the N9 where battery just wooshes out of existence.

iOS "multitasking" is a abuse of language. It is Fast App Switching as cited by Apple itself in its developer's documentation.

Background softwares in iOS are limited to run a maximum of 10 minutes, except if they are in 5 or 6 categories (music, gps, etc) and approved by Apple.

So no way to have fractal drawing, mathematical calculation, 3D rendering, etc, software running in background for more than 10 minutes in iOS. For me, iOS it is a dumbed down OS in its roots.

mrsellout

2012-07-11 15:47

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 1236079)

Except when it does, which should apply to Jolla if they use an "official" kernel.

The Nokia Press Release states:

Quote:

...

Nokia, therefore, issues the legally binding Patent Statement, which has been posted on its website at www.nokia.com/iprstatements.
...

Which is great apart from the fact that the actual link throws up a Page Not Found error.

Edit: Google filed a complaint with EU over Nokia's patent trolling, and included a link to an archived copy of the doc.

Edit 2: Reading the actual statement Patents are defined as:

Quote:

"Patent"
means any such claims, including without limitation, method and product claims, of any and all patents and patent applications with a priority date of 31 December 2005 or earlier, now owned or hereafter acquired by Nokia, which are infringed by any Linux Kernel that exists as of 25 May 2005 or by any functionality embodied in any future Linux Kernel to the extent that Nokia has not declared as described hereinabove such functionality to be outside the scope of this Patent Statement. For the avoidance of doubt, Patent shall not include any claims for enabling technologies that are not themselves embodied in the Linux Kernel (e.g., without limitation, hardware or semiconductor manufacturing technology as such).

So any patents filed over the last 7 years aren't covered by the statement, unless it was updated at some point.

javispedro

2012-07-11 15:47

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1236086)

Which is, as I've said a few times, the same "multitasking" decades old PalmOS had -- popularly considered "single tasking".

Flapzapninja

2012-07-11 16:05

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...kia-execs.html

Something from Tomi Ahonen.

Fuzzillogic

2012-07-11 16:09

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by milanjakob (Post 1236025)

I would prefer Asus as i've read many things about their hardware and built quality.

Acer is on my sh*tlist since they sold me a laptop with severe heat issues, wouldn't acknowledge it as a design flaw even though the fora filled with the issue, and to boot provided very slow and bad service repairing the damn thing. And the damn thing broke down three times in a single year because of the very same issue.

Asus would be quite acceptable indeed. The Transformer Prime has nice build quality.

Still, call me chauvinistic, but I'd like to see a European built device. Even in that regard the N9 seems to be the last of its kind, since Elop axed the Finnish factories :mad:

Reggie

2012-07-11 16:32

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Lots of juicy details in this interview: http://www.intomobile.com/2012/07/11...ext-available/

jalyst

2012-07-11 18:04

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Extremely unlikely IMO but could Jolla be partnering with Amazon/OpenACL on this?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/11/w...to-5-inch-dev/
Would be a huge boost to their chances if it were true but I find it hard to see it happening.

Setok

2012-07-11 20:01

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotoco (Post 1235696)

Multi-tasking the way the n900, n9 and Symbian does is something I really use.

My use case:

1 - Open Browser;
2 - Open A page, while A page loads (because of slow internet), open B page;
3 - Open E-mail, while it downloads, go back to A page;
4 - Read A page, decide I want to listen to music;
5 - Open music player and put some music;
6 - Open emails, read some, returns to A page;
7 - Finish reading A page, opens C page and while it loads go to B page;
8 - Goes back to email, opens random attachment;
9 - Reads said attachment, goes to back to email;
10 - Closes email, goes to page B;
11 - Decide I want to take a walk, so Sports Tracker better be open, or open it now;
12 - On page B, finds random video on Youtube, open it;
13 - While said video loads, go to page C;
14 - goes on and on...

All of this can be done with the iPhone. Except, perhaps, the YouTube thing. I haven't tested as I haven't had that need myself. There are a lot of misconceptions about how iPhone's multitasking works on this forum.

mariusmssj

2012-07-11 20:18

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1236213)

they will use android

m4r0v3r

2012-07-11 20:35

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1235845)

Wouldn't it be satisfying and ironic if the new company's MeeGo team does well enough to buy Nokia? :)

what by the time Nokia is worthless and they could buy it for a stupidly low amount? It really would.

mariusmssj

2012-07-11 20:42

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1236286)

what by the time Nokia is worthless and they could buy it for a stupidly low amount? It really would.

Nokia own too many patents to go under just like that, but with trojan horse elop they could sell themselves to M$

Setok

2012-07-11 20:58

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 1236093)

Which is, as I've said a few times, the same "multitasking" decades old PalmOS had -- popularly considered "single tasking".

(On iOS multitasking)

That statement is wrong. PalmOS closed applications completely, then reopened them. Much as iOS 1.0 did (although even there the kernel supported multitasking and some of Apple's own apps did it). There was zero multitasking in at least the PalmOS versions people would be most familiar with.

There are upsides and downsides to both approaches (full multitasking, vs controlled iOS style). The upsides to iOS are really the much better control of battery and memory usage. A real compromise for a full pocket computer could be to have iOS limitations when on battery power, and full multitasking when on the grid. I don't really fancy calculating fractals in the background when on the move, sucking my battery...

danramos

2012-07-12 03:14

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 1235905)

It would be, but why would they want to? What assets does Nokia still possess that are desirable if you are not a patent troll?

Plenty of patents, trademarks, copyrights and other resources they could buy off to help them stuff their portfolio to both look more attractive to bankers/investors as well as use as defense against submarine/troll parents.

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1236286)

what by the time Nokia is worthless and they could buy it for a stupidly low amount? It really would.

I'm tellin' you! You can probably buy the stock cheaper than the snacks from the vending machine in their break rooms!

specc

2012-07-12 04:48

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

To me this starts looking fishy. Open source project should not be shrouded in secrecy like everything about Jolla. Just saying.

What about ecosystem? Apps, services? A fully open system using the web for most of the services I understand, but from what I gather of information, they are headed elsewhere.

Way too much confusion talk by Jolla to be taken seriously at this time.

mariusmssj

2012-07-12 05:43

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1236386)

lack of information increases curiosity, news articles trying to get ahead over other with a bit more information. This could an advertising move

Stskeeps

2012-07-12 05:45

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1236386)

This is just my personal opinion:

That's understandable - and I actually wish that people had healthy scepticism about general consumer products. There's absolutely nothing normal about the way this is launched - but it seems to have worked quite well so far.

From Jolla point of view, from latest interview:

Jussi: Our principle is that we are careful, so we don’t want to promise anything that we can not do. This is why at the moment we just said we will reveal a phone later this year.

What exists right now and is clear:
* Mer, the Core of "Jolla OS" is open, available for contribution or even use by other projects or vendors.
* Jolla OS is based on Mer and Qt.

I'm not exactly sure where it says that Jolla itself is a open source project, but for exact details of open source, please stay tuned.

We all saw how open source projects can launch in the completely wrong way (MeeGo, Tizen), so it's important to have exact information when you do.

danramos

2012-07-12 06:51

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1236397)

I'm not exactly sure where it says that Jolla itself is a open source project, but for exact details of open source, please stay tuned.

For that matter, Maemo kept puffering on about open-source, too. Fat lot of good that did us. I've learned to be very skeptical.

zimon

2012-07-12 06:59

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Setok (Post 1236274)

same goes with Android, at least with (this) SGS3.
Multitasking. works I think alot of better than with n900.
When too many applications are running (compared to the available RAM), SGS3 does state remembering SIGSTOP+CONT where maemo and harmattan tries to swap, slows down, stalls, makes me wanna reboot the device.In the advanced settingsI can tune to have max 4 background processes running rather than maximise available RAM for the foreground apps and services.

edit:
yet, I am wishful and happy they started Jolla. But I think the resources would be used better by joining the Tizen-development. Having for example good qt based essential apps for Tizen would be worth of lots of money also imho. Tizen at least seem to be getting security policy and layer somewhat well, so Jolla could adapt and assimilate it.

Choices are good, but too much fragmentation in Linux-"ecosystem" is already a problem and Microsoft is happy.

MINKIN2

2012-07-12 09:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1236423)

You do realise that you are now comparing a device that is 3years old to one that has just been released along with its OS which has had multiple upgrades since the n900 came out?

I will agree, that ICS bought a great leap forward in multi-tasking for Android and with a handset like the sgs3 with it's 2012 hardware it makes even the tombstoned task switching and the apps that are allowed to multi task a breeze. (almost to the point that you cannot tell which is which).

But still, we are comparing a modern OS and hardware specs to the aging N900. (as awesome as it still is)

erendorn

2012-07-12 09:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1236386)

Open source project should not be shrouded in secrecy like everything about Jolla. Just saying.

Mer and Qt are open source project, so they are not shrouded in secrecy.
Jolla is a company. They are completely right not to disclose their hardware, their strategy, or any non-patentable, non-copyrightable differentiating asset.

Then, the community is completely right to remain skeptical/wait-and-seeish, even if the PRs are really promising :)

mariusmssj

2012-07-12 09:28

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by erendorn (Post 1236475)

that seems about right, all the stuff their using is open source which we all can see now but their plans and hardware they plan to use is internal company's information and for time being they want to keep it silent.

Zoxir

2012-07-12 10:15

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Hey not wanting to sound like an ***** here but could we rethink the name LOL Jolla sounds kind of lame.

lma	2012-07-12 11:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1236397)

Jussi: Our principle is that we are careful, so we don’t want to promise anything that we can not do. This is why at the moment we just said we will reveal a phone later this year.

That's perfect, yes, please do not promise anything that can't/won't be delivered. In fact, it would be wise if you don't even imply things that are still uncertain, and then turn around and say "when did we promise that?" when people's expectations are not met.

OVK	2012-07-12 11:25

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I am probably too optimistic about this but I think that Jolla will deliver something good. Mer and Qt are really solid base and so far hints about the UI and UX (integrating features to operating system instead of having applications around, designers being influenced by good aspects of Harmattan UI, promise to keep power users needs in mind) are promising. Also hardware is nowadays so powerfull and cheap that it should enable them to do what they want without compromises.

I just hope that they can make the closed bits good enough so that we don't need to complain about those. And open parts open enough so that community can fix them if needed.

jotoco

2012-07-12 12:21

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Setok (Post 1236274)

At least I don't think it works, or need to be tweaked.

iPhone doesn't seem to save your browser state, OR video state (if you pause and switch tasks) on the browser. At least that's how an iPhone 4 from my cousin behaves.

I know I tried that on my Galaxy Tab and I couldn't bear using it. Since then I have given up on it. Maybe a heavily hacked Jelly Bean could do it?

People have suggested a multitude of hacks to enable multi-tasking-like activities on Android.

Which brings down the whole "user friendliness" it is supposed to have over Maemo/Meego/Mer.

On iOS though, I admit I have very little experience. Only using a couple of times borrowed devices. But overall, I think iOS is NOT smooth, it stutters and slows when I try to use it like I use(d) my n900 or Symbian devices. Overall, I don't really think it is better. And every single app people show me either makes me want to vomit (fart apps) or has me completely underwhelmed (oh, there is an app to access that site? Why not just use the browser instead?).

mariusmssj

2012-07-12 17:01

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Submit your questions to Jolla here while you can

somedude

2012-07-12 17:16

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why are we discussing how android and ios does their multitasking here?
mods: move these off topic somewhere else before it makes this whole thread off topic.

MINKIN2

2012-07-12 17:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by somedude (Post 1236640)

why are we discussing how android and ios does their multitasking here?
mods: move these off topic somewhere else before it makes this whole thread off topic.

Agreed, and my post too if need too :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1236631)

Submit your questions to Jolla here while you can

Why ask nokiablog to ask our questions when we can ask them through Twitter or to Stskeeps directly?

I'm not too sure what else nokiablog can add really? Much of what we know is 2-3 days old now anyway because Jolla have been reverberating / clarifying their previous answers from the tirade of misinterpreted internet articles. Apart from whatever have been told already, it appears as though Jolla are keeping their cards close to their chests.

mariusmssj

2012-07-12 18:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1236661)

Agreed, and my post too if need too :)

Why ask nokiablog to ask our questions when we can ask them through Twitter or to Stskeeps directly?

I'm not too sure what else nokiablog can add really? Much of what we know is 2-3 days old now anyway because Jolla have been reverberating / clarifying their previous answers from the tirade of misinterpreted internet articles. Apart from whatever have been told already, it appears as though Jolla are keeping their cards close to their chests.

Seems like they only say what their sure of, at least their not trying to make promises they can't keep

MINKIN2

2012-07-12 18:42

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Very true.

And if they can keep to the promise of having a handset to show before the end of the year, then I would not mind them keeping their silence until the big reveal.

On the topic of the UI, I'm kinda hoping that it is not as smooth as the n9. In fact it I'm partly wishing for that "almost broken" feel of the n900, that was a big drive towards the modding scene with the QBW threads and design boards. As beautiful as the swipe UI is, it feels a little bit humdrum knowing that everyone else's looks the same.

Or maybe we will have the opportunity to have multiple user interfaces so we can swap between the two (Cordia anyone?) and rekindle the creative side of TMO again?

rcolistete

2012-07-12 18:51

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones

Quote:

Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1236423)

same goes with Android, at least with (this) SGS3.
Multitasking. works I think alot of better than with n900.

Yeahh, iOS and Android "multitasking" is better than multitasking of EPOC32 OS, Symbian, Maemo 4, Maemo 5, MeeGo (Harmattan or not), Web OS, QNX and Linux. :p

Be happy with your own perception of reality.

rcolistete

2012-07-12 19:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1236468)

You do realise that you are now comparing a device that is 3years old to one that has just been released along with its OS which has had multiple upgrades since the n900 came out?

A Psion 5MX or Revo (using EPOC32 OS with micro-kernel) from 13 years ago is better for multitasking than any Android, iOS, WP7 and even Symbian device.
Long battery life and crazy stability : 2 years (my case), even 5 years without need rebooting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1236468)

I will agree, that ICS bought a great leap forward in multi-tasking for Android and with a handset like the sgs3 with it's 2012 hardware it makes even the tombstoned task switching and the apps that are allowed to multi task a breeze. (almost to the point that you cannot tell which is which).

Android ICS "multitasking" still sucks every day or even hour. I am using it on Tegra 2 & 1 GB RAM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1236468)

But still, we are comparing a modern OS and hardware specs to the aging S. (as awesome as it still is)

OS <> hardware. Modern OS <> better OS than 10 years ago.

By the way, it is not off-topic. Some iOS and Android users here are suggesting that Jolla OS should have the dumbed down "multitasking" of iOS and Android. If nobody replies, they will also ask for limited Bluetooth, jTunes (Jolla version of iTunes), no micro USB, no HDMI, no microSD, etc.

rcolistete

2012-07-12 20:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Setok (Post 1236290)

(On iOS multitasking)

I don't really fancy calculating fractals in the background when on the move, sucking my battery...

There are thousands of useful example acitivities in background which can't run on iOS. Millions of users have great number of different needs.

One popular one : try to download using Torrent on iOS. There is no Torrent client without Cydia...

mariusmssj

2012-07-12 20:13

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Quote:

What’s the definition of a smartphone? Is JollaMobile going to bring MeeGo back? And which phone did James recommend to one of his friends? All that and more in this week’s episode!

Whole thing here

Muzimak

2012-07-12 20:14

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Sorry for asking without going through the whole thread, anyway N9 users will benefit from this?

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