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Here is a much better reading for you:

http://taskumuro.com/artikkelit/the-...of-nokia-meego


Tells you that pre-Elop NOKIA was a business case of mismanagement. Just reading through it, I am amazed that N900 and other devices exist. But clearly, in the pre-Elop era, the products were buggy and hopelessly lagging behind iOS and Android. Moreover it corroborated what I always was saying here, that Harmattan development began in 2008 and all they produced was a beta OS in 2011. Sad, Very sad. With Elop they have a chance. Without Elop, they had none.

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Should w3 ph33r your @$$tr0turf1ng skl1$$z?

Get over your persona. No one gives a dump about iOS or Android. The fact was, the masses could have bitten onto Maemo... But then again, they didn't, because No-kia never flexed their marketing muscle.

Now, you have to compete religion-wise against iurghOS and profit-wise against aOS. Poor nokia mismanagement.

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Who said a year, you sound like a bumbling Republican candidate, making up stuff as you go along. NOKIA is undergoing huge change in strategy and it takes 3-5 years to accomplish it. Plus, they have merciless competitors in iOS and Android.
The strategy is clear, succeed in the US market and beyond. Lumia 900 was just released, 7 months ago on ATT, now they will release various devices on three networks including Verizon. This will increase their foothold into US as they strive to become number 3 in the US.
If Jolla succeeds, NOKIA will buy them. I think that they are giving Jolla leaders a chance to prove that they can deliver on their own. Clearly, under previous NOKIA leadership, they couldnt deliver a good product.

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elop get kicked from noki q1 next year if wp does not succes on christmas. Then maybe there is a slighly chance they licence os from jolla if they wakeup from current ridicilous strategy...

or else nokia RIP

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Lumia, you ignorant slut. You couldn't even give a proper and accurate response, much less answer in Haiku!
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...er-effect.html

Elop simply failed;
His masters are Microsoft.
Windows fails again.

He's had plenty time
But he can't turn it around.
M0R0N needs ousting.

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Hahhahhahahaha.....yes, I am an ignorant slut and love it!!!!

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Well, with a name like "Lumia"... :)

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From Lumiaman's link:

See, Nokia does things thoroughly when they decide to do them. Not quite like my ZTE phone which is
10 COPY HTC_HARDWARE;
20 INSERT GOOGLE_SOFTWARE;
30 $PRICE--;
40 SELL();

Another fine quote:
Or let me fix that for you:

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http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/X-...3809987225.jpg

I can say for a fact that if Nokia had released the 'Lauta' I would have bought that. At a premium price. Heck, it even looks like the phone in my signature.

And, if they had managed to make and release the device 'Soiro' based on Intel’s Atom SoC and x86 architecture, I would have bought that. Even if I already had the Lauta. I don't think there's any other phone I would have considered paying as much for as that phone.

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Yes, beautiful hardware. From time to time I fire up my one remaining N9. i even reflashed it. pretty phone. looks cool. yet it lags, stutters, email doesnt update, sms threads get mixed up, abominable web browsing. Its like a pretty ******, all dressed up but nowhere to go. That refers to all of the scrapped phones. Elop had to step in stop production of ******s.

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Yes, beautiful hardware. From time to time I fire up my one remaining N9. i even reflashed it. pretty phone. looks cool. yet it lags, stutters, email doesnt update, sms threads get mixed up, abominable web browsing. Its like a pretty retaaard, all dressed up but nowhere to go. That refers to all of the scrapped phones. Elop had to step in stop production of retaaards.

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quote "Elop had to step in stop production of retaaards."

and yet he failed so badly ...

rgds

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the first Lumia line up is less than a year old. I wouldnt cast judgment yet. Jussa had 4 years to develop Harmattan and see how it badly failed.

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Did that just go over your head on so many levels?

rgds

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Level 1- Symbian needed to go to thrash. It finally did. Good riddance. Great when there was no competition. When competition rose, it was outcompeted.

Level 2- Maemo. Great idea, horrible execution, horrible delays, no one knew who was in charge. Nobody championed it to get things done right. Since 2006 they could not compete with iphone. Fail. Elop rightly axed it. How many itinerations you need before it stares at you and says: " I am just not competitive"

Level 3- it took since 2008 Jussa to develop Harmattan, fail. Few fanboys left in the world that love Harmattan, but overall a fail. It can not do the basics as smoothly as other platforms and fails on many levels. And it was supposed to succeed Maemo 5...that is just utter incompetence. Funny that I say this: google Jussa Jolla...see what pops first

Level 4- faced with incompetence at NOKIA, Elop aborts retaaards (Symbian, Maemo, Harmattan), and goes for a working platform, WP8

Level 5- WP8 succeeds, fine. It doesnt succeed, Elop axed, NOKIA has to go with Android or Jolla succeeds (less than likely given Jussa pedigree), and NOKIA buys JOLLA.



How many levels did you miss?

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Symbian is Nokia's biggest source of income.

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Welcome to the new week, here are our first graphs of the week...

Nok1V, Helsinki, €.

Today:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...d878baab10.png

Last week:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...b4afa21325.png

Last month:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...c6557d395d.png

Last year:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...2dfff3c974.png

Source for graphs haven't got a graph for the last decade, so we'll have to settle for last half decade:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...23b3c7a287.png

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was* (?)

10 chars.

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if you put S40 into the Symbian bracket, it still is...

Now is this good or bad :rolleyes:

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Yeah, I guess I am wrong to put S40 into the Symbian bracket, but I do. I've always considered it Symbian Series 40. But it isn't Symbian, sorry. I keep forgetting. Especially now as the features are leaking down.

source

For Nokia, this can only be bad. It means Windows Phone isn't selling enough. For poor people in the 3rd world, it's good.

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Academic discussions. Does it surf the web? Can I use Facebook/Twitter on it? can I use mail? Does it have apps? If the answer is yes on 3 of 4, then it is a "smartphone" in peoples eyes.

WP is steadily increasing it's user base: Doubled in Europe during the last 6 months.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os...-201109-201210

SGS3s are given away at the moment. The winner is Apple (not a good thing, not even understandable, but a fact, people are purchasing iPhone 4S like never before). The market is over saturated (and the iPhone 5 is "overengineered" sort of), still WP is blooming, even before WP8 has entered.

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http://i.imgur.com/iQDgy.png

Don't know what happened after 16:00 but I like it. Let's hope it continues tomorrow :)

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Its NOKIA, its only going up and I am buying more stock. Haters!!

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You do that. :) How's worked out for you so far?

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vaLumiaman invested heavily at 15.01 :D

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Whatever happened yesterday seems to have finished by the time Helsinki opened again. You can see the jump here:

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...40e124c8a9.png

Today has started flat:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...5028ec6931.png

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Spikes like that without a reason can cause a lot of suspicion. Could this be farthole and his cronies going on a spending spree again an attempt to attract interest?

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As long as the value increases, I don't really care. This day is looking good..

http://i.imgur.com/xW6Rw.png

:)

edit. still looking good, +6% already today, and it looks to be going further up still

http://i.imgur.com/FLuhe.png

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Don't read too much into the spike. The NOK spike was caused by our old friends the options traders, who by the end of trading had opened 9,293 puts along with only 1,621 calls. The most popular option was for the October $2.50 put that expires at the end of this week (ie. after the earnings call on the 18th). Of 18000 contracts changing hands yesterday, over 10000 were for the $2.50 put. They need the price to drop below $2.39 to break even, which is a fall of over 11% of the current price. So that should tell you where the market thinks the Nokia share price is heading over the coming week.

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But Nokia didn't post any warnings. Thus their earnings will be as or better than expected..

edit. + 7.82% right now :)

every time I edit it goes up.. :)

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It goes up just before every earnings release. $3 seems to be the restrictive ceiling on the stock.

Don't put too much faith in no profit warning being good news. A profit warning is only issued to soften the blow to investor analysts. The majority of investor analysts (from what I can see, 17 out of 18) have a neutral to pessamistic view on NOK stock so there's no need to soften the blow. There'll be some good news with the Asha line and money generated from sales of assets, on the other side possibly a lot of cash burn and poor performance from the Windows Phone range.

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kojacker brilliant work for being one of the few in this thread to really keep this thread on-topic unlike some people :rolleyes:

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We'll see soon enough.

Good day in Helsinki..

http://i.imgur.com/MIuJX.png

I hope it continues in NYC as such :)

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tStock going up a little bit and people here are stupid enought to think "Nokia is back" ROTFL

Give me a GOOD reason buying stocks in Nokia atm. There is NO sign Nokia will come back. Just some trolls here and there who is naive players. Its like playing those stupid pokergames where people actually think they will win alot of cash...

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When the signs are there (like say impressive sales of new Lumias), the stock will already be high and it will be too late to buy. In the end, the stock market is just another form of gambling. For example, take AAPL, it's like 630 USD a piece right now. It could go over 1,000 in a year, but likewise, it can easily lose over 50% of value..

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I guess the best "reason" is that at this low price, the monthly variations equals a rather high variation in percentage. If you know how to sell before it's too late, you should be able to, i dunno, grab 10-15% in a month? At a considerable risk, I might add. But before Nokia is over for good, at least it will bounce once more.

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Just bought another 400 shares.......

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I don't see nokia succeeding with the new lumia range.

You can spot a bestseller, and none of the new phones is one. What I am especially disappointed with, its the lack of different designs. The plastic monoblock is allright for one model, but what about an E71-like design with metals? The E71 for me is still the peak of nokia design, the n9 is stylish but lacks the class, robustness and details of an E71.

Weight! Weight is an issue for many people, even the iphone is now at 116 grams.

What about a stylish slider with keyboard? Obviously not an option with an OS that lacks landscape mode.

Just a little rant :D

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...it has landscape mode, doesn't it? No? Really? In the 8th iteration of the OS?

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Just a reminder... this is a company that sold their own HQ to start renting it. Isn't that the sort of thing a teetering business would do just before collapsing in on itself, turning into a legal entity like a holdings company?