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Again look at the sailfishos homepage and u get the answer, it cant be that hard for u people...

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She was supposedly the principal community person, but there's always been others, most(all?) of them are listed here.
In case folks miss it, 1st update to this thread in yonks (on prior page) below:

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What do you mean, "you people?"

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Neckbeards !!

(the link to the real reason that goat screamed like a human)

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

whats wrong? why this neckbeard alert?

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I'd say what's wrong with beards?

http://www-images.theonering.org/tor...-p-249x300.jpg

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

Lincoln is history's biggest terrorist.

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

No, I'm pretty sure that was Richard Simmons.

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

No, It's Milton Teagle Simmons since he is responsible for the Terrorist Richard Simmons!

Elop, second place for hijacking the whole Nokia!

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Don't know if I have raised this Question before but what about if new phone is a Intel/X86 CPU? :S

Personally THAT would make me disappointed...

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Why would it? Those currently gen mobile atoms are on par by performance and use less energy.

Next gen atoms (Silvermont) will eat ARM for breakfast. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6936/i...s-about-mobile

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Yep. X86 ftw. And it's asm is way prettier :)
Though I doubt jolla will use it since they said N9 Sailfish images could be easily made. And N9 is on arm.

I guess they will stick to known-by-exNokians TI chips, probably the same as on Nook HD+.

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I asked for an update on this the other day, but I was told we'll just have to wait, still no guarantees, but apparently they will try to answer most things. Everything happening in the next few wks will probably answer most of it anyway, if there's anything left over then hopefully they'll oblige. Of course, a raft of new Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms will be provoked once we have all that new info! Hopefully from that point onwards they'll become more responsive, either via this initiative, or a better interface that they themselves have established which "augments" what they already use.

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I guess the question of the screen size will be answered soon, but I just got an idea of another reason large screen is less likely (even though Engadget suggests otherwise).
If you focus on the basics if Sailfish UI, one of the main controls are the dots in top left corner (used while in deep nested pages or scrollable areas like maps). Can you imagine how irritating would be reaching the dots on a ~5" device?
I believe Jolla has thought this through, considering how much they've emphasized the single handed use (pulley menu).

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u don't need to reach that dots, as going back works with a flick

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Please read my post again. The dots are irreplecable in some situations.

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******** ARM is the future. x86 is doomed. Its only marketing from Intel who make people think X86 has a future.

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If they stick to TI theyr also doomed. TI has killed OMAP

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Big screen is a point in multitaskingview in the cover swipe thingy...

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I dont think so, Intel has been offering increasingly competitive solutions, they've just been having trouble getting traction. But they've only been truly competitive for a relatively short period, & all the signs are pointing towards them being better than competitive pretty soon. Much of the market wants to lock Intel out because it remembers them before the Post-PC era, but their desire to compete with one another will eventually see Intel get some traction, ARM will remain just as important (if not more) though.

And if they've gone with STE they may be in a even more precarious position...

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Few days ago Tomi Pienimäki tweeted "We're planning to reveal engine co-operation later, but ok I admit it. I argue this engine co-oper is unlike in the indstry :)"

:confused::confused:

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In what context was he referring to "engine"?
You got a link to the full Twitter conversation?

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https://twitter.com/smabacke/status/331817605683888128


taking a wild guess, he means something like the engines of the firefighters? which means they will grow region by region?

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I take it to mean he's talking about their SoC partner, sigh, I hope it's not STE*, we had the strongest hints it was for the longest time.
If it is them, I hope they can somehow manage to "keep their head above water" & be a good supplier/partner.

*or whatever they're called now

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intel is unlike in the mobile market.

Or he mean manugfactoring Nokia, LG or HTC.

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is there any possibility that they could turn ste's soc's into their own soc's? somehow buy ste?

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Nokia doesn't make any SoCs as far as I know, so he couldn't mean Nokia.

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I doubt they have resources for that. It could cost more than a billion, and they are a tiny startup.

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I meant if they theye soon will announce who is they manufactorying partner it could be some what I listed or I forgoy huwai to ofcourse...

But if SoC he talks about its probadly intel who is "unlike"

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LOL if those big companys like ericsson, nokia.or huwai doesn't think the SoC is worth continue development it would be plain stupid dir a startup company to buy the SoC. And btw where should they get the money? AFAIK jolla will start search for more capital in june. So we doesn't even know if jolla survives 2014.

they first have to release something that success then they may start think about "buy something"

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Or 2013...

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Heh, the joint-venture between Nokia and Intel during Meego times turned so sour and generated so much bad blood that I wonder if Intel guys still want to see any of the ex-Nokia faces, even if they are 'rebadged' under a new company name.

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Dude, It's not personal, it's business!

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I'm not sure how much of the Meego fiasco (as a project) was Intel's fault. After all Nokia were the main force behind it. Intel has nothing to lose, and only will gain from working with Mer / Sailfish.

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Biggest fiasco before Elop is the Symbian fanatics inside Nokia, who slowed down Maemo/Meego development...

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Sooo, I wonder how much of this will be addressed before the 20th, probably not much I'm guessing...

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Probably not much point for them. They are preparing some announcements and press releases I guess.

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MeeGo killed by - Symbian fanatics, Intel foresight, Android domination.

Nokia should've had an N9 in the hands of developers before Samsung could even launch the Galaxy S.

It should've really been in Blackberry's current** position, only in 2011 before the Galaxy SII and iPhone 4 sold with bucket loads.

**That is have the OS/SDK complete. Push out two competitive hardware. Get vendor and third-party support. Have a small ecosystem ready with decent catalogue of Apps.

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That was the goal, by the end of 2011 (or def. by mid 2012) there would've been 2-4 Harmattan devices, then the MeeGo proper devices would've come on board from mid-2012 onwards. That would no longer be a Nokia-only game, there would've been at least a few other contributors. But momentum towards all of that was systematically dismantled from the start of 2011.

There was no large dev program promotion throughout 2011, the focus shifted mostly to WP, if that hadn't occurred it's feasible they would've had similar native app count at launch to what BB had, probably larger. They would've had their own ACL implementation too, although I suspect it may have been abandoned once they hit MeeGo proper, or conversely that may have been when they adopted it.

Anyway, this is all getting completely off-topic, please keep the thread for what it's intended folks (me included).

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Regarding one of the key questions (networks support):

http://pocketnow.com/2013/05/20/joll...ew-marc-dillon

Basically they are saying that they aren't yet saying. So how can you preorder without knowing what's going to be supported??