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HELLASISGREECE 2012-12-31 10:48
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so.. the chances of seeing some qwerty device are... slim? (at best)

edit: It wouldn't make sense anyway... Sailfish is touch oriented. fully.
: (

Hurrian 2012-12-31 11:25
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They said they'll start with a mass market device. There were rumprs of an exotic enthusiast device coming out, but those are just rumors.

Perhaps if Jolla doesn't come out with their keyboard phone some other OEM would do it.

And regarding whether or not it's a copy? Who cares? Does it actively try to imitate a specific mobile OS (see old Touchwiz versions vs. iOS)?

It doesn't. It takes concepts from other mobile OSes, but that's what all nee technologies do. Incremental improvement, much like how many browsers followed suit once one went tabs-on-top.

benny1967 2012-12-31 12:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1309366)
so.. the chances of seeing some qwerty device are... slim? (at best)

edit: It wouldn't make sense anyway... Sailfish is touch oriented. fully.
: (
?? Being "touch oriented" doesn't mean users will not want to write text.

mikecomputing 2012-12-31 12:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1309039)
Well, the openness of the UI is still a big question.

Other than that, things I would expect to be closed: audio/video codecs, some drivers, Chinese input methods, Flash (if available), that Android runtime and maybe some of the distinguishing Jolla made applications & maybe some third-party apps (official Twitter, Facebook, etc. apps).
They had already said they will license the OS too others. So the UI will not be fully open.

Just tell how they make money on the OS if fully open :O Not even Google do that and they main bussiness is not OS. In Jolla case mainbussiness IS the OS.

If you can deliver a solution for making money on fully open sourced OS you should send it too Jolla I am sure they are intrested in that.

Too many people has no bussiness perspective in this forum and thinks like childs of fanatic Rickard Stallman.

Ofcourse as much as possible shall be open but fully open is just a just as a wet teenage dream. :cool:

Dave999 2012-12-31 13:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1309411)
They had already said they will license the OS too others. So the UI will not be fully open.

Just tell how they make money on the OS if fully open :O Not even Google do that and they main bussiness is not OS. In Jolla case mainbussiness IS the OS.

If you can deliver a solution for making money on fully open sourced OS you should send it too Jolla I am sure they are intrested in that.

Too many people has no bussiness perspective in this forum and thinks like childs of fanatic Rickard Stallman.

Ofcourse as much as possible shall be open but fully open is just a just as a wet teenage dream. :cool:
They make the os fully open. Make money from devices, licences and third party apps. Operators and vendors will have to pay fro adjustments and configurations. Thye have patent the OS and the UI. Users can build on GUIs if they release without profit. The freedom openness will give them market share fast.YOU havent seen it before. Thats why its gonna work. Think bigger! Going in others footsteps will not get jolla anywhere. New models are needed!!!

mikecomputing 2012-12-31 13:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1309366)
so.. the chances of seeing some qwerty device are... slim? (at best)

edit: It wouldn't make sense anyway... Sailfish is touch oriented. fully.
: (
This has been said many times before, ofcourse not.


Main sell area for Jolla is China. AFAIK they are not using qwerty...

Dave999 2012-12-31 13:34
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Q1 tomorrow? SDK binarries...

Akkumaru 2012-12-31 13:38
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They are running sailfish on N950 but they have never used the keyboard, not even once (I think). I agree with Hurrian here.

AMD 2012-12-31 15:17
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Originally Posted by Akkumaru (Post 1309434)
They are running sailfish on N950 but they have never used the keyboard, not even once (I think). I agree with Hurrian here.
True, they did not use the HW keyboard even once. But in the latest video of their Hands-on demo, they showed the on-screen keyboard (which looked fantastic). And they did not have any back button or anything, so am pretty sure it will come WITHOUT a hardware keyboard. But I am sure that you can get one and use it for the device (By bluetooth or such stuff..)

Zoxir 2012-12-31 16:13
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Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1309349)
From comments on gsmarena, engadget and other places many people say it looks like copy android with a touch of Windows Phone and peeking from BB10.

I wonder will the final product be different from what we have been shown in these videos
That's because people there are f***tards

SD69 2012-12-31 17:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1309411)
They had already said they will license the OS too others. So the UI will not be fully open.

Just tell how they make money on the OS if fully open :O Not even Google do that and they main bussiness is not OS. In Jolla case mainbussiness IS the OS.

If you can deliver a solution for making money on fully open sourced OS you should send it too Jolla I am sure they are intrested in that.

Too many people has no bussiness perspective in this forum and thinks like childs of fanatic Rickard Stallman.

Ofcourse as much as possible shall be open but fully open is just a just as a wet teenage dream. :cool:
This is what the non-profit Foundation is for - to support as open an OS as possible without the motivation of making money. Jolla can be a big help just by delivering a modern device that is relatively open that the open source community can build upon. HW is one thing that would be especially hard for the Foundation to do.

Dave999 2012-12-31 17:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1309475)
That's because people there are f***tards
I have to say that you handles others opinions great. Good work!

Show some respect!?

AMD 2012-12-31 18:30
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1309510)
I have to say that you handles others opinions great. Good work!

Show some respect!?
No, they really are ******s. I bet Jolla started with their work before Blackberry on BB10. And I see absolutely NOWAY to relate this to Windows Phone, live tiles? No. That's totally different. Maybe the font, but this font is not owned by WP. So those people can never say anything about Windows Phone. And about Android, they only have their apps layer. But I don't believe that Android created a blue line to be placed in the UI. So Jolla has nothing to do with any of the software, Jolla is independent. So these guys are really ****tards.

Dave999 2012-12-31 18:36
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Originally Posted by AMD (Post 1309530)
No, they really are ******s. I bet Jolla started with their work before Blackberry on BB10. And I see absolutely NOWAY to relate this to Windows Phone, live tiles? No. That's totally different. Maybe the font, but this font is not owned by WP. So those people can never say anything about Windows Phone. And about Android, they only have their apps layer. But I don't believe that Android created a blue line to be placed in the UI. So Jolla has nothing to do with any of the software, Jolla is independent. So these guys are really ****tards.
Again, It's never about what you say. It's how you say it.

AMD 2012-12-31 18:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1309532)
Again, It's never about what you say. It's how you say it.
Huhh?? Nevermind..

mariusmssj 2012-12-31 18:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AMD (Post 1309454)
True, they did not use the HW keyboard even once. But in the latest video of their Hands-on demo, they showed the on-screen keyboard (which looked fantastic). And they did not have any back button or anything, so am pretty sure it will come WITHOUT a hardware keyboard. But I am sure that you can get one and use it for the device (By bluetooth or such stuff..)
For their first phone I think they should play it safe. There is much bigger casual market for touch-screen only phones.
IF their first phone is success I see no reason why couldn't they release a phone with physical keyboard

qwazix 2012-12-31 18:50
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Thing is that hwkb works in nemo almost flawlessly (contrasting to harmattan where the hwkb is buggy to the point of uselessness)

szopin 2012-12-31 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurrian (Post 1309382)
They said they'll start with a mass market device. There were rumprs of an exotic enthusiast device coming out, but those are just rumors.

Perhaps if Jolla doesn't come out with their keyboard phone some other OEM would do it.
Even though I agree I have to disagree strongly here. Jolla had few times stated/acknowledged the fact they know their hardcore userbase is already made up of tinkerers/programmers/FOSS enthusiasts. Is it openMOKO, N900, webOS, pandora... These guys will explode when no HWK is around. Implement BT before anything else for running Ubuntu/Arch/Debian on it, or else you have no control. This kills the multi-boot possibilities (maybe they would actually like it? once again I acknowledge the argument, but feel these guys are not stupid and will cater to their greatest fans out there, then again N950ish like device with hwk when standard jolla device has only software and charging for that piece extra 250$... every marketing guy will tell you it is a great idea, hope they feel dev enough to not allow it)

minimos 2012-12-31 23:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1309366)
so.. the chances of seeing some qwerty device are... slim? (at best)

edit: It wouldn't make sense anyway... Sailfish is touch oriented. fully.
: (
And besides Sailfish being optimized as one-hand touch oriented, so far they have shown it working in portrait mode only. One further step away from h/w use case.
But I tend to agree with marius that perhaps Jolla could work on a hwkb device after they have completed their first 'showcase' device.

szopin 2012-12-31 23:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by minimos (Post 1309588)
And besides Sailfish being optimized as one-hand touch oriented, so far they have shown it working in portrait mode only. One further step away from h/w use case.
But I tend to agree with marius that perhaps Jolla could work on a hwkb device after they have completed their first 'showcase' device.
Look at BB and learn from it. They will fail on previous hwkb-typed msgs.

shmerl 2013-01-01 08:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1309411)
They had already said they will license the OS too others. So the UI will not be fully open.

Just tell how they make money on the OS if fully open :O Not even Google do that and they main bussiness is not OS. In Jolla case mainbussiness IS the OS.
They plan to produce hardware, so I wouldn't preclude the possiblity of open UI. What if community would develop a UI that is better than Jolla's. Shouldn't they use it then? Closed UI can't be a cornerstone of the business (it just sounds wrong). RedHat manages to do business without relying on a closed OS. How are they doing it? There are other services to sell - expertise in the system, support, active development and etc. Closed OS is not a hard requirement for success, but if it would be open - they'll have to figure out what to profit from, I agree.

mikecomputing 2013-01-01 11:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1309651)
They plan to produce hardware, so I wouldn't preclude the possiblity of open UI. What if community would develop a UI that is better than Jolla's. Shouldn't they use it then? Closed UI can't be a cornerstone of the business (it just sounds wrong). RedHat manages to do business without relying on a closed OS. How are they doing it? There are other services to sell - expertise in the system, support, active development and etc. Closed OS is not a hard requirement for success, but if it would be open - they'll have to figure out what to profit from, I agree.
you cant compare server market with mobile market, also if I remem er correct RH has closed stuff.

in case of jollas hw, there is no chance for jolla to make theyr own hw. They have to ask bigger companys to do the hw for them. Its reality.

mikecomputing 2013-01-01 11:53
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btw about hwkbd people seem forget how much is qml apps today and qml and its api is not directly hwkbd friendly..

szopin 2013-01-01 12:03
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Noone uses keyboard with qml apps, but the fact Qt is easiest/most portable doesn't mean a QML xterm is going to replace osso-xterm/mrxvt or hundreds of other apps that are best used with actual keys (be it in default OS, or chroot or else)

shmerl 2013-01-01 18:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1309679)
you cant compare server market with mobile market, also if I remem er correct RH has closed stuff.

in case of jollas hw, there is no chance for jolla to make theyr own hw. They have to ask bigger companys to do the hw for them. Its reality.
Surely they won't create their own CPUs, GPUs and etc. They'll go with existing system on chip solutions. Even Nokia and Apple never did such thing. But what stops them from designing the composition of the device themselves using other parts as building blocks? Making original design and unique devices can give them an advantage.

Server market was just an example. It's also competitive if you didn't notice. My point was - closed OS is not a requirement to be successful in a competitive environment.

Dave999 2013-01-01 19:34
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Any jolla news lately? After all, it's Q1...

Our speculations stating to go in circles. :)

waldo 2013-01-01 20:48
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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1309795)
Surely they won't create their own CPUs, GPUs and etc. They'll go with existing system on chip solutions. Even Nokia and Apple never did such thing. But what stops them from designing the composition of the device themselves using other parts as building blocks? Making original design and unique devices can give them an advantage.

Server market was just an example. It's also competitive if you didn't notice. My point was - closed OS is not a requirement to be successful in a competitive environment.

I'm sure I heard in interviews they are making and releasing their own hardware

tissot 2013-01-01 21:39
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Originally Posted by waldo (Post 1309833)
I'm sure I heard in interviews they are making and releasing their own hardware
Well it has been confirmed that the design will come from Jolla, but they have revealed previously that the phone will be made in Asia by 3rd party. So probably Compal, Foxconn, you name it.
Example in Nokia's case Lumia 800 was obviously all Nokia in design, but supposedly some of the guts of the device was planned by Compal (them having more experience with Qualcomm that Nokia always stayed away).


http://nokiagadgets.com/2012/11/25/j...premium-phone/

mariusmssj 2013-01-10 08:10
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Seems like Jolla does want to be an open platform:

http://i.imgur.com/q1GJE.png

Also they posted this:

Quote:
Yes - Jolla's first smartphone is to have a screen bigger than 3.5 inches - For detailed specs, you will have to wait till they are announced later this quarter, though. The device itself should be available by this summer.

Summary:
- They will be as open as possible
- Screen will be bigger than 3.5" (N9 is 3.9" for reference)
- Detailed specs to be announced Q1
- Device should be available by the summer

mariusmssj 2013-01-11 17:58
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From all the news and partnership it's pretty much clear that Jolla phone will be powered by ST-ERICSON's NovaThor CPU.

http://nokiagadgets.com/wp-content/u...n-novathor.jpg


Well at CES ST-ERICSON showed off their new NovaThor chipset - the L8580.
http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/13...marena_001.jpg

Ok here is what's cool/features:
Quote:
It comes with a low-power eQuad processor with four Cortext-A9 cores, clocked at up to 2.5 GHz, the PowerVR SGS544 GPU and the ability to go low-power and run at 0.6V.

The NovaThor L8580 can deal with 1080p video and support display resolutions of up to 1920 x 1200 pixels. 20MP primary cameras and 5 MP secondary ones are allowed too and there's built-in LTE HSPA+, TD-SCDMA and EDGE radios. 3D reproduction and capture is also on board if that's your thing.

shmerl 2013-01-11 20:39
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I wouldn't say it's "clear". It's just a possibility. See also recent developments about troubles within ST-Ericsson:

http://translate.google.com/translat...cle3608010.ece

jalyst 2013-01-12 08:59
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It's supposedly sampling just before Jolla's phone is due, so it makes it even less likely, albeit not impossible.

mariusmssj 2013-01-12 09:39
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More Jolla news:

Quote:
Jolla's first focus on product distribution will be in Asia and Europe. Unfortunately US is not planned for in the 1st stage. Exact markets will be announced soon, so stay tuned.

jalyst 2013-01-12 09:52
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Soon, WTH does that mean, do they mean imminently, or is it still sometime this quarter?
If the latter, why do they even bother with silly little tweets like that, they're stupid >.>

rcolistete 2013-01-12 10:00
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Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1313997)
More Jolla news:
Hope Jolla release its 1st smartphone in Brazil too, one of the largest and fastest growing markets.

gerbick 2013-01-12 10:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1313997)
More Jolla news:

Quote:
Jolla's first focus on product distribution will be in Asia and Europe. Unfortunately US is not planned for in the 1st stage. Exact markets will be announced soon, so stay tuned.
Figured as much. BB10 it is (for me at least).

Dave999 2013-01-12 10:37
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1314013)
Figured as much. BB10 it is (for me at least).
Anything good packed in BB10?

herpderp 2013-01-12 10:39
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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1314001)
Soon, WTH does that mean, do they mean imminently, or is it still sometime this quarter?
If the latter, why do they even bother with silly little tweets like that, they're stupid >.>
They are stupid and we hate them!
http://whyquantumphysicists.files.wo...-angry-kid.jpg

gerbick 2013-01-12 10:39
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1314015)
Anything good packed in BB10?
yep. it'll be instantly familiar to N9 users. and if you code Qt, you'll have a device that'll accept your projects.

jalyst 2013-01-12 10:44
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No I meant tweets like that are stupid, but I'm inching closer to saying Sailfish(Jolla) is stupid too, still some ways to go though.


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