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att 2013-11-29 08:30
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1390495)
Can anyone post the user agent of the Sailfish browser please? I should be in theory available if you open about:support from the address bar.
Name: Firefox
Version: 23.0
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Maemo; Linux; U; Jolla; Sailfish; Mobile; rv:26.0) Gecko/26.0 Firefox/26.0 SailfishBrowser/1.0 like Safari/538.1

about: plugins
No installed plugins found

about: mozilla
The twins of Mammon quarrelled. Their warring plunged the world into a new darkness, and the beast abhorred the darkness. So it began to move swiftly, and grew more powerful, and went forth and multiplied. And the beasts brought fire and light to the darkness.
from The Book of Mozilla, 15:1

juiceme 2013-11-29 08:35
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1390526)
Name: Firefox
Version: 23.0
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Maemo; Linux; U; Jolla; Sailfish; Mobile; rv:26.0) Gecko/26.0 Firefox/26.0 SailfishBrowser/1.0 like Safari/538.1

about: plugins
No installed plugins found

about: mozilla
The twins of Mammon quarrelled. Their warring plunged the world into a new darkness, and the beast abhorred the darkness. So it began to move swiftly, and grew more powerful, and went forth and multiplied. And the beasts brought fire and light to the darkness.
from The Book of Mozilla, 15:1
194.251.119.201 - - [29/Nov/2013:10:34:49 +0200] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 186 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Maemo; Linux; U; Jolla; Sailfish; Mobile; rv:26.0) Gecko/26.0 Firefox/26.0 SailfishBrowser/1.0 like Safari/538.1"

rob_kouw 2013-11-29 08:37
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1390505)
Guys what to do, I got till 2nd of December(Monday) to decide about my pre-order.

And I don't know should I wait until after new year or buy it now!
Flick a coin. Just before you look at it: what do you wish the answer will be?

att 2013-11-29 08:44
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by minimos (Post 1390492)
The device should likely have also a serial console to fix serious scr*w-ups ;).
Apart of the contacts near the SIM-card, is there anything else than may look like an exposed connector, perhaps even under the battery?
I cannot see any connectors under the battery than the three pins for the battery itself. There is 6 pins around the top part of the phone but they look that they are for the other half. There is one small hole where you can see very small part of the motherboard and metal leaf.

shmerl 2013-11-29 08:46
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1390526)
Mozilla/5.0 (Maemo; Linux; U; Jolla; Sailfish; Mobile; rv:26.0) Gecko/26.0 Firefox/26.0 SailfishBrowser/1.0 like Safari/538.1
Interesting, it has Maemo, but not Mer there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rob_kouw (Post 1390529)
Flick a coin.
/roll 20.

juiceme 2013-11-29 08:57
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1390531)
I cannot see any connectors under the battery than the three pins for the battery itself. There is 6 pins around the top part of the phone but they look that they are for the other half. There is one small hole where you can see very small part of the motherboard and metal leaf.
The pins around the SIM connector are for the i2c bus.

w00t 2013-11-29 08:59
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1390516)
Receiving extended emoticons sent from a Lumia device works. Granted, Jolla does not show the emoticons correctly but at least it does not silently discard the SMS like N9 does.
Fun fact: there were problems noted with that quite late. Good thing it got found in time :)

zlatko 2013-11-29 09:06
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Papru (Post 1390514)
Battery life is also quite disappointment. After 3,5 hours, battery is at 82%. Almost whole time idling on the table. Only email sync every 30 mins and 5 mins web browser use.
That is REALLY bad! Can somebody else of the Jolla owners confirm that experience as well?
Many of us wanted to belief that slower CPU and lower res screen can/will be easily forgotten with stellar battery performance.
I can put up and live with some missing functions, but having less than a day of normal operation is pissing me off.
On the positive side - I was happy to hear call quality/volume is better than N9 which sometimes is nearly impossible to use in a car or crowded place.

strongm 2013-11-29 09:07
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubbless (Post 1390488)
The Jolla people are in London at the moment
They are? Perhaps they'll be personally delivering my phone ... ;)

Boxeri 2013-11-29 09:07
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1390279)
First Bluetooth ON and visible on both devices. I paired N900 and Jolla, both trusting each other. Then selected Settings: Connectivity: Transfer & sync from N900. Then New, Next, Send data, Next, Select a device, waited Jolla to appear to list, selected Jolla, Next, Contacts, Next, Finish. Waiting until progress bar is 100%.
Allright, thanks for this. For somereason was always starting to do it starting from Jolla device. In my previous phones this has always been the case, i think.

Anyway can confirm thatfrom contacts sync works nicely fromcontacts N900 and N9 both

Tujutzki 2013-11-29 09:16
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Ok, this is a link to a news article but I think at least one part relates to user expecience quite closely:
http://www.zdnet.com/so-jolla-what-a...et-7000023736/

The relevant part: "The feature set is something that where we were [three months ago], we stopped, and said 'let's stabilise this set of features and then, when we have those stable, we can start adding'. The things where we didn't have enough time or confidence they were stable, we just removed them. And we still have them, they're just in a drawer, bubbling away," Mosconi said.

w00t 2013-11-29 09:29
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Papru (Post 1390514)
Battery life is also quite disappointment. After 3,5 hours, battery is at 82%. Almost whole time idling on the table. Only email sync every 30 mins and 5 mins web browser use.
Have you used Android applications?

Do you have IM enabled? Facebook? How many contacts on your contact list?

If you install powertop

(enable developer mode, ssh over USB, run 'devel-su', enter password in developer mode panel in settings to get root, then run:

ssu ar mer-tools
pkcon refresh
pkcon install powertop)

and run powertop for a few minutes with the screen off/device idle, what shows up?

Manatus 2013-11-29 09:31
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1390540)
That is REALLY bad! Can somebody else of the Jolla owners confirm that experience as well?
Many of us wanted to belief that slower CPU and lower res screen can/will be easily forgotten with stellar battery performance.
I can put up and live with some missing functions, but having less than a day of normal operation is pissing me off.
On the positive side - I was happy to hear call quality/volume is better than N9 which sometimes is nearly impossible to use in a car or crowded place.
Can't really say much yet, as I don't think the battery software has had chance to calibrated yet. So far it looks like it lasts as N9 did.

Venty 2013-11-29 09:40
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sponka (Post 1390145)
@mikelima -- just over border in Slovenia MMS are included in monthly subscription and is not such cost. There are lots of people that don't use email or have internet access on phone at all, there are also areas where connection is so bad you don't get reasonable speed, for ie. somewhere deep in woods :P and in such occasion MMS is far better solution than email. I can assure that at least with Nokia (dumb) phones MMS work realiably and I actually don't remember that ever failed.
Same goes here in Switzerland, at least with Swisscom subscriptions. And yes, I have some contacts with just feature phones where MMS just works out of the box.

Using external services is not going to solve it as nobody I know uses them. I also don't want to use them, at least Whatsapp has some privacy issues, like it wants to upload your phonebook...

Venty 2013-11-29 09:44
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1390129)
Media volume goes nice and loud, there is a warning at a certain level which must be clicked through but I can take that.
I may be wrong but AFAIR this is due to some regulation from the EU.

bockersjv 2013-11-29 09:47
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Regarding battery life, I will see today at work how long it lasts before a charge. It will be getting some heavy demo usage though.

I have noticed that the battery % does seem accurate. On my N9 one I was below 30% I needed to be no further than one hour from a charger. There is none of the old 20% to 4% drop in a matter of minutes.

In Helsinki when I was getting to know the device I got to 3% battery and it did not do the N9 three knocks of impending doom. I have not yet use it to exhaustion so not sure how much notice you get of shut down.

As for screen brightness, IMHO it is like the N9 on the normal setting. It cannot match the OLED Vivid setting.

bockersjv 2013-11-29 09:50
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Venty (Post 1390558)
I may be wrong but AFAIR this is due to some regulation from the EU.
Indeed it is adopted by all heaphone devices now but I complement Jolla for giving you the option. Unlike Sony on their latest Walkman range which is so quiet as to be useless and even firmware hacking fails to fix it.

w00t 2013-11-29 09:51
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1390560)
In Helsinki when I was getting to know the device I got to 3% battery and it did not do the N9 three knocks of impending doom. I have not yet use it to exhaustion so not sure how much notice you get of shut down.
you got pretty close. iirc 3% is the shutdown point ;)

zlatko 2013-11-29 09:58
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
@w00t
As long(er) time Jolla phone user - can you please share with us your real-life experiences with battery operating times?
And if you sailors are continuing working in optimizing OS power consumption performance?

att 2013-11-29 10:03
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1390548)
(enable developer mode, ssh over USB, run 'devel-su', enter password in developer mode panel in settings to get root, then run:

ssu ar mer-tools
pkcon install powertop)
Command failed: This tool could not find any available package: could not find powertop

ssu lr
Enabled repositories (global):
- adaptation0 ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/r...ommon/armv7hl/
- adaptation1 ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/r...m-sbj/armv7hl/
- aliendalvik ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/r...iendalvik/SbJ/
- apps ... https://releases.jolla.com/jolla-app...lease/armv7hl/
- eas ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/f...e/eas/armv7hl/
- hotfixes ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/...fixes/armv7hl/
- jolla ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/...jolla/armv7hl/

Enabled repositories (user):
- mer-tools ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/...v7hl/packages/
- store ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/SbJ/armv7hl/

Disabled repositories (global, might be overridden by user config):

Disabled repositories (user):
- home ... https://download.jollamobile.com/hom...atest_armv7hl/

pycage 2013-11-29 10:14
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
In daily use, I found the battery life to be comparable to N9, maybe a little better.
Probably future upgrades will improve this. In some rare cases Alien Dalvik might wreak havoc. You'll notice this when your device gets warm and the battery level drops noticeably fast. A reboot or restarting the aliendalvik.service fixes this, though.

ggabriel 2013-11-29 10:23
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Any thoughts about reception quality? I know it's probably the hardest thing to do objectively, but a rough comparison with a previous device would do.

w00t 2013-11-29 10:25
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1390565)
@w00t
As long(er) time Jolla phone user - can you please share with us your real-life experiences with battery operating times?
And if you sailors are continuing working in optimizing OS power consumption performance?
Hard for me to judge proper lifetime personally because at least half the day, I'm plugged into USB while working on device. But I haven't had too many problems outside contacts/android related areas.

Rest assured, we are still working on things though :)

w00t 2013-11-29 10:26
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1390567)
Command failed: This tool could not find any available package: could not find powertop
Sorry. Add a 'pkcon refresh' after the 'ssu ar mer-tools'

kollin 2013-11-29 10:30
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1390569)
In daily use, I found the battery life to be comparable to N9, maybe a little better.
Probably future upgrades will improve this. In some rare cases Alien Dalvik might wreak havoc. You'll notice this when your device gets warm and the battery level drops noticeably fast. A reboot or restarting the aliendalvik.service fixes this, though.
Ok now i want "the otherhalf" battery- i want to charge my phone no more than once a week with heavy usage!
This is the main thing that i dislike on the modern smartphones- you have to charge them almost constantly and when you need them most they die qnd you need to charge tbem again!

:mad:

Penguin 2013-11-29 10:38
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Keeping location setting OFF seems to make battery lifetime feasible. When I enable location, there is GPS icon blinking all the time and battery draining is significant. From 100 % to shutdown in 8 hours.

GPS on and looking for satellites all the time?

jalyst 2013-11-29 10:41
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Sigh, I so want to continue following this & related threads, & read/contribute_to the recently established "community brain dumps".
But, I've got so much going on lately that I simply MUST tune out from all Jolla/Sailfish/maemo.org related reading for approx. 4wks, maybe more.
If anyone sees me before then, even if I'm only "lurking", feel free to chastise me & exclaim that I have no will power. ;)
For those that can afford to stick around, enjoy the ride/show, & seasons well wishes...

bockersjv 2013-11-29 10:54
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1390573)
Any thoughts about reception quality? I know it's probably the hardest thing to do objectively, but a rough comparison with a previous device would do.
Better than my N9. Call quality is good too and louder (I don't think i am alone in finding the N9 quite quiet).

The best thing I can say is that I have not noticed connectivity to be an issue, be that phone or WLANs. It worked well on the Norwegian flight wi fi when my android tablet would not.

Best thing i can say is I do not notice it, certainly not an issue I have had yet. Never seen the device out of range yet!

att 2013-11-29 10:56
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kollin (Post 1390208)
You need to install pciutils and modutils usbutils ! ;)

And then please run:

Code:
lspci -k
lsmod
lsub
Edit: Why those packages are not included by default in the "development mode", they are very basic diagnostic tools? :)
Edit2: usbutils
Installed pciutils but lspci -k doesn't show anything, sorry.

Leinad 2013-11-29 11:00
Quote:
Originally Posted by kollin (Post 1390577)
Ok now i want "the otherhalf" battery- i want to charge my phone no more than once a week with heavy usage!
This is the main thing that i dislike on the modern smartphones- you have to charge them almost constantly and when you need them most they die qnd you need to charge tbem again!
that's exactly, why i love a replacable battery. just buy a second one and plug it in, when the first one runs out of power... great!

Iipe 2013-11-29 11:04
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1390587)
that's exactly, why i love a replacable battery. just buy a second one and plug it in, when the first one runs out of power... great!
Me too. It's great that a new innovation like that has been introduced with the Jolla phone :)

nbedford 2013-11-29 11:11
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iipe (Post 1390588)
Me too. It's great that a new innovation like that has been introduced with the Jolla phone :)
Where/when can I buy my second battery :)

w00t 2013-11-29 11:16
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iipe (Post 1390588)
Me too. It's great that a new innovation like that has been introduced with the Jolla phone :)
We invent all the cool things. ;)

ggabriel 2013-11-29 11:34
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1390276)
Because I am a head of the time. Bought note 1 at release day and told you that n9 has to small screen. Evryboday: no I can't handle bigger with one hand. Bought note 3 at release date and told you that jPhone has too small screen. Everybody: no I can't handle bigger...

In one year you have all changed your minds again when jolla release their new epic device:D
Yeah, I was one of the persons that argued that you can't handle big screens with one hand. And I still do. There is a tiny detail that you forget to mention, however, and it is that when you were happy to have a 10" phone, it was only iOS and Android out there, which are unmanageable [with one hand]. Meego had just started with the N9[50], and yet it wasn't/isn't the best UX for big screens (still plenty of buttons everywhere).
Sailfish changes the game slightly, and I say slightly because we haven't got many applications yet, and Android ones need those ugly buttons.

You claim that you can balance a massive phablet on your pinky finger, I still claim: try to do it in a busy city centre and it will drop/get stolen/whatever.

So, no massive screens for me please, get a tablet instead!

haliava 2013-11-29 11:49
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Interesting device, and level of Android support is unbelievably good.
However some parts of system are more on late alpha level than early beta yet. I'm thus forced for now do enterprise things like Lync, Exchange and sip with Android apps.
Totally refuses to connect to TKIP-based WiFi network.
Adding Exchange account results in shaky e-mail sync, random (and multiple-duplicated events while many missing) calendar sync and totally missing contacts sync, probably due to incapability to enforce the phone lock policy requested from Exchange server.
Let's see what the next firmware update bring/fix.

minimos 2013-11-29 11:51
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1390587)
that's exactly, why i love a replacable battery. just buy a second one and plug it in, when the first one runs out of power... great!
Would be nice to make a teeny tiny battery (not bigger than a post stamp) to keep it plugged to the TOH battery contacts so that there is no need to power off the phone while swapping main battery.

ste-phan 2013-11-29 11:51
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kollin (Post 1390577)
Ok now i want "the otherhalf" battery- i want to charge my phone no more than once a week with heavy usage!
This is the main thing that i dislike on the modern smartphones- you have to charge them almost constantly and when you need them most they die qnd you need to charge tbem again!

:mad:
Marketing department: NO, you want a thinner phone, with nice square industrial design. ;)

Yes, a combo Mugen power battery + HW keyboard second half would be a nice start.

Q about telephone application: Suppose you notice have a missed call.

Is the originating telephone number displayed under the name of the caller if the caller is a known contact in your address book?

ste-phan 2013-11-29 11:55
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1390580)
GPS on and looking for satellites all the time?
Could you close all programs, disable scheduled email and social updates and see if the GPS stops?

I would like to know if it is an application or the core OS that is spying on your location.

thanks

sconf 2013-11-29 12:12
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1390263)
Nope, mine didn't shut down.

BTW I removed the white TOH and put the special TOH on before I booted the phone the very first time. The phone didn't offer me to install the special TOH stuff like ambiance from the store until I removed the TOH and inserted it again when the phone was running.
FYI,
looks like it was my battery after all. Although it sits quite tight, after taking it out and putting back few times I was able to change TOH without phone powering down.

So if you have random reboots, check how your battery sits in its place.

Makeclick 2013-11-29 12:17
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MSameer (Post 1390259)
Camera support for android apps will come in a future update.
How about Andrdoid GPS support? Sports tracker or any other gps apps no going to work, if it doesn't come...


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