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Well, most TOH parts are 3D printed, so it indeed shouldn't be that hard as long as the non-3D printed stuff fits with the rest. Welcome to the future! :D

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This is getting offtopic so it'll be my last post on the matter, but:

- Benchmarks can be deceptive. Sailfish may have some theoretical performance advantages, but in practice I don't think they're really there yet, and it wants better hardware. I have a Nexus 4 (bought primarily to try Sailfish on). On stock Android, and certainly on CyanogenMod there is just nothing like the level of stutter and frame drops that there are on the Jolla, and few if any performance related hangs. It's a much smoother experience. Also, bear in mind you're comparing a now 2 year old phone which operates at 1.8x the Jolla's native resolution, with an OS that has a higher baseline of resource consumption than Sailfish and with a SoC that provides similar benchmark results on Android. Also, the Nexus 4 was £135 when I got one 3 months ago, before it was discontinued ... Jolla even with the €100 discount is ~£205. If anything your benchmark results paint a dull picture for Sailfish and make an argument for better hardware.

Sailfish with 1.1 is starting to eat more RAM. Also, given the poor situation with Sailfish apps, Dalvik is a reality that most users will contend with. This ups RAM requirements significantly. Moreover, 2-3GB of LPDDR3 or even LPDDR4 (LPDDR2 in Jolla) is not expensive or difficult to put in a mobile device.

Battery drain is gigantic on the Jolla in a number of apps and usage scenarios. I think any advantage you cite is again theoretical. For example, the Browser (a car crash in itself) is way more power hungry under normal conditions than Firefox is in Dalvik on the Jolla. It's also slower, suffers constant freezes and hangs and even takes longer to open. Albeit I haven't tried it with the 1.1 improvements, so perhaps it's a little better now.

Unfortunately my N9s (I had 2) have not fared so well. I wanted to move back to one when 1.0.7 completely wrecked any semblance of useful connectivity on the Jolla for me, whilst I was on holiday. Fortunately, 1.0.8 was released the morning after I got back, and gave me a useable device again. I say fortunately, as the USB/charging port on one N9 no longer works without a huge amount of coaxing, and the other one won't boot at all (it had only been used for about 3 months). Both were manufactured by the Chinese OEM, rather than the minority which were manufactured in Nokia factories.

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You want a new countdown?

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You must know Dave999 loves contdowns.... :)

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ehh, the kickstarter page is gone?!

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Would highly suggest not launching this week. Tomorrow is the end of the working week and any (e)press will be resultingly limited.

If you intend to launch it soon, wait until Monday or Tuesday next week, and have a few e-mails to phone / tech news sites lined up to send out, to tip them about it.

Success of the campaign will partly rely on PR.

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NOOOOOOOOO!
I mean: Yes, it's gone, and: NOOOOOOOO, it's gone!
Or something.

@bluefoot:
drugs are bad, mkay?
*looks at own post*
That doesn't sound too serious...
No, it isn't. Period.

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Yes, I would love another one.

Maybe with a twist with image or video every day. (media package.)I'm sure you got cool ideas. (If not this thread could help)

5 days to launch:
(Image or video)

4 days to launch:
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3 days to launch
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2 days to launch
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1 day to launch
Image or video)

Launch

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I'm gonna upgrade to the Jolla Phone 2 unless Jolla does something I dislike a lot or TOHKBD Rev 2 isn't compatible with the Jolla Phone 2.

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There's a very important difference between "can be changed" and works out of the box. Does anyone know that better than past users of Maemo and present users of Jolla?
Oh the dreams I had for stuff that would become possible with my N900 in hand... Here and now, my questions are not about the dreams! :D
Hence, forgive me Dirk if I ask again if you didn't miss my previous questions, because this thread is moving pretty fast. Any word on the software?

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Hi Dirk, Kimmo, Andrew,

Did you consider the magnets on TOH may interfere with the on-board magnetometer? There are several ways in which this may manifest. There also is a way to minimise potential interference but not completely eradicate it I'm afraid. Of course this is only an issue if you care about a functional magnetometer though ;)

Cheers,
Jan

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Link not working for me either.

Know it's already been said, but I am disappointed Jolla are not weighing in with support on this.

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The DIY pack are all the pieces and you simply have to mount it with a screwdriver and maybe some glue for the magnets? Or it's more complex than that?

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If there's any sanity around here, it's gone because Jolla have snapped up Dirk to make the TOHKBD for them, and that was the point of this whole charade.

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Let's just hope @dirkvl chimes in soon on what's up, as searching for toh or jolla doesn't find the same campaign under another name.

To me the TOHKBDrev2 feels more like a massdrop kind of project, that the customizations and all might be a bit heavy.

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How do you know they haven't, though? Kickstarter got nice pictures... One with Keira black ambience. Speculation, I know, but Jolla may already have helped Dirk in one way or another, we haven't (and may not) just heard about it. Clearly Dirk has established a deal with Lastucase at least, as there was many link promoting Lastucase on that Kickstarter.

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https://github.com/kimmoli/tohkbd-archive
It's been inactive for a while, but if my memory serves there were initially issues with '?' char being appended in some cases, and Jolla got it fixed in the update right after first batch of rev1 KBDs was sent out (they also helped in writing it afaik, with much bigger group of owners getting the last tweaks should be easy, then again, not sure if the chip/connection will be the same, so a new daemon might be needed)

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Wasn't there a together question thread months ago with contributions for Marc Dillon asking us which TOHs we most want, and the implication that Jolla would produce the more popular plus amd eighth one suggested by the community in another thread? I remember the keyboard came top, but there was solar and wireless charging tohs in the list too.

Could the whole funky other half setup just be a community oriented way of establishing a TOH division?

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Add stilus and I will buy it!

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What good will that do? Any capacitive stylus is average at best. For real stylus input, a magnetizer is needed (like my hybrid laptop has) but that requires putting it under the screen which is a no-go unless you're really into modifying your Jolla that much... (with a chance of screwing it up)

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Kickstarter update
We had a lot of good feedback/q's/tips/hints/suggestions/criticism/ideas from a lot of people. This was very helpful and we are now in the final stages of getting green-light from Kickstarter and are finalizing the page and making sure all info in there.

Development
Development continues of course! The hype around the campaign has drawn a lot of people to FunkyOH, so I finally have some 'dough' to spare for continuing development. Proto-pcb's and shells are not for free ;)

Technical update
The PCB in the Base part (that connects to the phone) will be extended in size to cover the entire area. This brings the following advantages:
- The PCB acts as a backbone for the casing and makes the whole construction a lot stronger
- Cleaner design and lots of area for PCB art
- The PLA casing *can* become soft and bend over time if it gets hot. Bending of the casing *can* result in a loss of connection. Extending the PCB over the entire area eliminates this risk entirely.
- The casing can be slightly thinner (0.2mm!) because all strength now comes from the PCB. For all thickness-weenies: this is the limit. Going any thinner requires thinner magnets, resulting in a shitty connection.

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/dou27jrvcn5...ohkbd-1-11.png

Answers to questions

TOHKBD will be shipped inside a box and will work after you take it out.

Can people please stop saying stuff like this? I am getting lots and lots of help from Jolla on important issues, they answer difficult questions, pitch me ideas, help with marketing and the list goes on and on.
They do as much as they can without hijacking my project.

Will be some more info on kick-page, but basically it is a pre-soldered pre-programmed TOHKBD without casing, magnets and wood. All files will be provided (all other people will get all files too, no worries!). This is an option for people that want to do customizations themself.

Not so much a deal, more a fair price on large batches of wooden panels. They put a lot of work in developing stuff for Jolla too and are very friendly in the conversation. Besides the backplate is the thinnest and cleanest way to cover the bottom pcb, I also prefer to work together with companies that work that way.

chip will be the same, so lots of stuff can be 'ported', but this daemon (with all extra features and multiple layouts) will we a bit more complex - to extremely understate it.

http://media.giphy.com/media/yzp4EVsM2wMM0/giphy.gif
http://media.giphy.com/media/5T8tEJtCgvDuo/giphy.gif

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Thanks dirkvl for the update!

About the question on Jolla supporting the project:
cybette(@Jolla) also answered to a direct question on TJC about this subject:

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Dirk...Dont forget the beer-perk.

Buy me a beer for my hard work - 5 Euro ;)

Man...your next Leffe should be on me :D

Where is that 2nd countdown?
http://i.imgur.com/3FVlh0X.gif

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Next bottom pcb is done and ordered a few.

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/rllxoksj94tjwit/eagle2.JPG

Time to solder the proto's i have now!

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Soldered.

Quick test

Will go to Kimmo tomorrow, he will consult the Toran Ra.
http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.c...ran-ra-4x3.jpg

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Interestinggg. You're answering a software question with a statement about the packaging. Or is the box part of the hardware? :confused:

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Read again:
Question was "Will it work out of the box?"

Now read again dirkvl's answer.
Easier translation: It will work out of the box.

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for it to work out-of-the-box, by definition it has to have been in a box first.

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To be fair, the question was exactly,

Dirk's reply avoids answering the real question by quoting the follow-up post instead.

Please note that I am just playing the devil's advocate here. I do not take sides and no longer care about TOHKBD rev2, but I can understand that different people may have different idea of what constitutes "works out of the box".

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It is because I do not have a definite answer to that. But, developer proto's are going to jollahq and Kimmo today, so we will see what is possible!

It is very hard for me to do promises about sw, as this is not my expertise (to understate the situation).

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iirc, i saw there's a self assembly kit in the kickstarter page, does it include all the parts to assemble the kit? or just part of them? or is this option never made available :P

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I read it as it's everything you need except the 3d-printed casings and no lastubottom.

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Nor the magnets:

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You shouldn't be shy about that! :) There is no problem answering that you cannot know yet, and that Kimmo or Jolla might perhaps better answer (I said that a few pages ago but they didn't answer either so it's still welcome if you can at least share what you know as the project leader). It's way better than avoiding the question by answering to altered/summed-up questions, as Pichlo said.

I'm not taking sides either, don't worry! :D I was very interested in this question too, and I definitely think it is part of the "customer ready" experience that as ben advertized. Your answer, even if you cannot promise anything yet, is still very valuable because it shows you noticed the concern and that it might still be on the to-do/to-investigate list, with no promise it can be achieved.

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Now or never.

WoW...its finally the final countdown! :D

Brilliant. Simply brilliant. Joey tempest edition.

Well Done and good luck!

14 hours and counting...

Will the perks be the same as before?

If so press...
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even better

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No tell us when you plan to click on that freaking green button. :<

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Your time: is that my time? 'Cause it says Stockholm but I'm still in my own city Almere :P

Anyway: YEAHHHH Can't wait for it now!!!! Hopefully these 13 hours will fly by!