Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Just drove ~600 km with Here maps on Jolla running SFOS 2.0 preview. Works ok , it seems response time of thi sprogram has slightly improved but voice through crappy Jolla speaker is too faint in comparison with almost all other mobile phone speakers. I am not sure if the Jolla speaker is to blame for this or the way they built it in the housing.

Problem:

2 times I got a strange error throwing me out of Here maps: display with "failed to update" screen with check mark, no options. Sorry I could not make screen shot while driving :)

After putting that away, Here maps stayed minimized with green shade app cover.

The Jolla touch screen would respond to nothing anymore, only showing app cover screen.

But the system was still alive (seeing the network strength indicators change)

Only reboot of system could restore normal functionality.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Please don't ask me to word it like that. It'd be like saying one of my beloved children is better than the other :).

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Even after the (pre)2.0 update I have the same problem I've had since the beginning.

If I connect to my Gmail accounts they start to copy multiple contacts to my contacts (random phone numbers, (Unnamed), and some that seem to be Facebook conversations).

I know how to delete these via terminal, but they they multiply really fast making the phone really sluggish, not making it an option to delete them every few days. Anyone have an idea how I could stop this?

Otherwise I'm really happy with the update, as long as I could just integrate those emails to my accounts.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I just noticed that the openssh version that came with 1.1.9.28 does not support ed25519. I actually had nieldk's version installed but now it's gone and I can't install it again from openrepos (libssl.so.1.0.0 missing).

Is this an openrepos fvck up or a sailfish one?
I don't think I can quite understand the package management here (rpm, pkcon, etc.) I would have expected it can resolve dependencies..

Can anyone give a hint here?

OK: I installed zypper and did "zypper dup". It's upgrading openssh and downgrading openssl (as well as deleting upower?). Keeping my fingers crossed..

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

That's actually a very apt simile.

One is a grown up older sibling, thrown out of the house because the parents wanted the room for a foster child from a shelter that nobody wanted. (The foster child eventually ended up robbing the parents and demolishing the house, a sad fact that the kicked-out child could only watch from a distance.) Despite being an unwanted child and without any affection from his parents, he made it big in the world on his own.

The other is a spoilt younger sibling, looked after by his godparents after the foster child bankrupted the parents. Growing up in the shadow of his older brother, he knows he has to try hard because everyone will compare him to his brother but however hard he tries, he can never outgrow that shadow. He is also torn between trying to be like his older brother and trying to impose his own personality but has not yet worked out what his personality actually is.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

what a ****ing negativism,pichlo! i find this little Brother very lovable and i dont really care about making comparison.every person is different, and sure love is love..its growing up well, time to time ;)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I have the same with my Outlook account on BB10 so it's not a GMAIL or SOS problem.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

So there is no closed UI parts in those packages where you can't actually do it without Jolla.
P.S. Correct me if I'm worng, but Jolla asked community to be the first to start with SIP integration and as i understood they did and Jolla, the one that said that community should be the first to do it now a blockers.(The info i have is from some threads i saw here and TJC, so if i'm wrong, and I might be — correct me)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

This depends on what you want to achieve. As long as it's only middleware stuff, you should be fine.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

My CalDav implementation is SOGo, running on my own server.
It was a little tricky to set up my CalDav account on my Jolla phone (have to be a different account than the CardDav one) but it works fine.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Interesting. I wonder why that server implementation works and others don't. SOGo seems quite actively supported judging by the bugtracker. eg. a bug about events being an hour off was fixed the same day.

You're right about the joint CalDAV/CardDAV thing though. It really should be split out into two accounts.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Ok, then let me add to that number. It actually happened twice to me that my Jolla was blocked because of too many failed unlock attempts when I removed it from the pocket. In the end, the solution was to put the phone into the pocket facing the other way (i.e. screen not facing towards my leg but away from it). So, there appear to be situations where it can happen.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Happened to me too several times. Twice it even called emergency number in very awkward situations. Would have happened many more times if I did not remove the emergency call button after every update and stopped having max number of retries for device unlocking. Last time it locked permanently it even said, error too many digits, it was 123+ entered then on the eight attempt.
It is humidity and proximity related for sure since it is more frequently occurring in daytime light in Swedish summer heat ...
And to keep to the subject the switched order of device unlock screen and sim pin entry screen is good since I do not want anything to happen without unlocking firstly.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Since a few days (from when i applied coderus patch rotate homescreen), I am sometime able to use the settings shortcut when using the phone on landscape.... So it's already coded ;)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

This forum is going down the drain, so many ppl here complaining about oom behaviour, none came up with a solution? You want multitasking and no killing apps? Here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...75&postcount=6
No killing of higher pid apps.

Getting now tired of not being able to start your app (hey, no background killing, you wanted it, no android will save you unless you rewrite everything as service)? Increase swap:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...83&postcount=7

I know some are used to multitasking one program at a time (you can't run modern browser and libreoffice at the same time with 1gb of ram, music in the background, lol, forget it), feel free to rewrite Qt to fit into 64kb demo, I'm sure oldboys will appreciate it. Did all people that offered tips and tricks and liked to tinker with their devices retire? I'm out for sure, last 40 pages in this thread can be summarized with: poster1: communication/poster2: oom, android rules, jolla sucks, bait, bait/troll3...
Can't even be bothered to check here anymore (is marc the messiah? jolla cannot survive without energetic spokeperson apparently, coding is not important, energy and awkward stage appearances make jolla kill), was good times though. Probably this thread should be moved to offtopic to not litter sidebar

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Are you sure it's Jolla's CalDAV that's broken, and not something unusual about the way apple's CalDAV is implemeted?

I use ownCloud 8.1, haven't noticed any problems. It syncs fine with events created in the web interface, and both ways with AOSP calendar synced with DAVdroid, and both ways with requests created on the Jolla.

Also, sometimes more tinkering is required to get CalDAV/CardDAV/WebDAV working if you run ModSecurity on your server (or your host does...). I noticed that between all the different implementations of the various DAVs, I had to enable PROPFIND, REPORT, PUT and MKCOL in addition to the request methods allowed by default in the CRS.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Will be quite fun if the everywhere on this forum seen: 'jolla sucks because of caldav!!!! fix it nao!!!!' turns out to be a single user's lack of config skills. This is where tjc is ++, most of the threads on tmo dominated by few same names with same complaints over and over, how jolla is still around beats me

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Forgot to metion, some caldav apps send custom content types in the request headers too (and don't send accept headers, and all kinds of protocol anomalies...)

I don't want to turn this into a modsecurity thread, but this might be enough to solve some of the *DAV problems that people are having. If anyone wants more info, just shout.

The following custom rule in modsecurity_crs_15_customrules.conf will sort out most of the issues:

You'll also want to enable the xml parser for the content body of these requests, or all of the SQLi rules in the CRS will s#!t the bed because of all the "<" and ">" and other special chars... this rule can go in the same file:

Been meaning to write all this up properly in a tutorial, may do that soon.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Really dislike the push button cover actions that have replaced the once glorious swipe cover actions without option to choose between two modes.

-->> My minimized voice recorder app was recording for hours.

With swipe cover actions I would not start recording accidentally just like that.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

About the cover swipe actions, I don't know how it would work when vertical swipe is already in use with switching between apps and notifications screens. Maybe if changing screens was restricted to edge swipes only, but I don't know how it would be received by newbies. Last thing we want is Symbian kind of screen changing where change happens only after the swipe is finished (back in time they said it was designed like that on purpose, but resulted in endless scorn about Symbian being unable to have smooth transaction...).

Maybe swipe cover actions should be made a configurable option...

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I, on the other hand, really, really, REALLY like them. But I do not go on about it in my every post.

Yes, an option would make the wolf sated and the goat in one piece.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Only horizontal changing screens needs to be restricted to edge swipes and those are the most easy to pull of (in phone portret mode).

Newbie horizontal swipe functionality:

Edge swipe left: notifications (or back to multitasking)
Edge swipe right: notifications (or back to multitasking)
Edge Swipe middle to left: notifications (or back to multitasking)
Edge Swipe middle to right: notifications (or back to multitasking)


Configurable is the way to go, especially since very soon there will be users giving feedback based on larger display tablet experience while others are using the phone.

And we have a "gestures" menu that is virtually empty (contains 2 items only) to put all those extra configuration options.

We have an OS that is described as (9/2015): It’s unlike what you’re used to. But once you get the hang of the gesture based Sailfish OS, you’ll never want to go back. Totally independent and highly adaptive, Sailfish OS is an open platform, so if you know how, you can change whatever you want, whenever you want.


Newbies:

they are encouraged to try and get the hang of it, aren't they?

With configurable option I would ask them: hey how long have you been using Sailfish and you did not yet enable swipe cover actions? Let me show you something really nice: now, go to settings... :cool:

I would be seriously interested to see scientific publishing about the cover actions operation where a representative group of elders, hipster and managers including long term Android / iOS users and a few chimps are using Sailfish for a month and later get interviewed about the swipe cover action system and if they like to see it go or configurable.

I suspect it was through feedback of potential hardware partners that the swipe cover actions needed to go. Too complicated , too confusing, our customers blah blah...

Why should I have to start from unilaterally stripped down version to go "change whatever I want" through patches to make it look like the more powerful Sailfish which I took for granted only weeks ago?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Sorry, for that but now we are still in the preview 2.0 feedback time.

Well thanks for reminding me that I really really REALLY should have gone one about how much I liked the swipe cover actions in every post instead of taking it for granted. Signature changed. :D

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Maybe. However, there is always the possibility of backfiring if people find it too confusing or if different swipes interfere with each other too much. That's why Sailfish 1.0 had quite steep learning curve, even if power users liked it to some extent (as amount of rants is constant :P). Personally I prefer 2.0 and cover actions were not that important to me even with older version.

I would understand that statement if some fundamental feature was stripped away for no reason. Your pain might be eased by making in configurable, but the result may not be consistent anymore that way. So, it's balancing... you cannot please all, if you try you won't please anyone.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Why wont you just give me some ****ing toggles in my eventsview jolla.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Does someone know where are stored the images used for the ambiances?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

/usr/share/ambience

(The installed ones only. Not sure where your own are.)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Is there a together.jolla.com request for that and if so, care to point to it?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

They are there in 1.1.9.28, but for the tablet only. Coming to the phone in the next version.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

They also show up with coderus' patch. Not configurable; you need another patch to make that possible. Turn Settings -> Events to landscape and the toggles get exposed. The configurability is a bit limited but better than nothing.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Sailfish OS 2.0 is now available for your Jolla smartphone! (notified per email)



I just downgraded back to 1.1.7

So far I am much enjoying the uncluttered minimalist interface and swipe cover actions.

What I miss from 1.1.9 (2.0 preview):

-background application tiles keep same position in task manager overview on 2.0
-Bluetooth transfer (of pictures) to Jolla needs per file confirmation , very annoying, and much better on 2.0 which accepted the whole batch in one go.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

A step forward to action based OS and at least some good use for the now omnipresent eventsview. :p

"Jolla Tablet: perform your favorite actions directly from the Events view. E.g. connecting to internet, search the web, find your location, take a photo, make a note or add a reminder"


"There are now even more options enabling you to personalize the phone according to your needs. One example is defining the behavior of the top edge swipe gesture: you can choose to keep it as an ambience switcher or change it to close apps directly with one top swipe (like before)."

Ok, Jolla recons that people like to personalize the interface through standard available options...

So let's say I don't need carousel or tap cover actions? In the next update those features will be made available as options so I can set it like I (we) want (like it was before) ?

edit: typo's

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Interesting. I have two Jollas in the house, mine with 1.1.9 and my Other Half's (geddit? ;)) with 1.1.7. After a couple of weeks on 1.1.9, I just tried the un-upgraded one and found it sooooo clunky, limited and confusing to use. I cannot blame my wife for putting it on the shelf and never using it. I should uprgade hers and let her try it out, maybe she will change her mind.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Possible but then that just points back at Jolla for their implementation not working with one of the largest CalDAV and CardDAV providers on the planet. And it of course works with every other device I've got.

Thanks for the pointers with ModSecurity and DAV too but I've been through those already and it works just fine on my Mac and Android and even N9. OwnCloud and cPanel's built in CalDAV works all the time on those too.

...where that single user is Apple or cPanel.net not able to configure their servers?

Or if it's myself configuring my Jolla, I'm unsure how I can manage to connect to the server but entries end up an hour out, disappear when edited or fail to sync.

It could be some protocol difference but I get the same behaviour regardless of which CalDAV server I use.

I don't go on tjc. a) I'm banned after repeatedly complaining about bugs not being fixed but since I'm a Mac user it's b) an exercise in pissing into the wind anyway as Jolla have the same kind of blind spot that Nokia had with Apple.

Simple cure of course for "same names with same complaints over and over" would be to fix the problems leading to the complaints perhaps? Even just a reply saying "Hey, we've (not)reproduced the problem. Thanks we'll fix/won't fix" would be nice.

The people that complain the loudest are often the people who really want a company to do well. We're passionate about making things better. You want those people on your side.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

@ pichlo:
You forgot to mention that the older brother sadly is dead. So the younger brother has now the burden to bear his late brother's heritage ...

And IMHO he does quite well


EDIT: hoops - this is somehow out of context, I don't know why. I was replying to pichlo's two brother allegory when discussing N9/Meego and Jolla/Sailfish

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Downloading of the latest version is taking a loooong time. Any easy way to see how much (of what total) is downloaded? Or even if it's just stalled/hung?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

and (as root)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Thank you for the answer. Here's the result of the first one (I've left it for a minute or two, in case it's working on something):

It's not returned yet.

I cancelled the pkmon and ran journalctl:

I'm not sure I fully understand what that all says, but the impression I get is that not a lot's happening?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Then it points back to question, should bad/non-standard implementations be "fixed" by making them work with some non-standard workaround. Like the Internet was in the days of IE6. Personally I wonder how bad CalDAV and CardDAV be if there is so huge variation on how they work. You don't see such behavior with Active Sync (which I'm using against Z-Push). Still, I guess Apple will never fix their end as long as it works with their walled garden, so perhaps Jolla should really fix that. Hopefully Apple has some documentation available for it, otherwise it's more or less hit-and-miss type of debug...

You were banned because of your offensive comments in the great ExFAT-war. Not because complaining about bugs.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Yep, nothing's happening. Try again. Probably the servers got jammed by too many requests. :)