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Not sure this really means anything to be honest. Since compact cameras have become widespread, and even more since the smartphone era, I believe that many "portable" cameras/lenses have been branded as Zeiss and as far as I know it did not necessarily mean that they benefited the quality level and control the brand built its fame on, let alone be manufactured by Zeiss themselves. I always thought these were just labels, like "Endorsed by Zeiss themselves, buy it!" rather than any real I guarantee, but it's still better than nothing as Zeiss wouldn't risk its reputation by putting their name on the worst cameras I suppose.

Please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not sure at all (Chen, maybe you have experience with this?). Sorry for the misinformation if I am.

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Nokia used to be different and beautiful.

Now they are just the same and ugly.

The ID of the device IMO... Very ugly. And those 2 Android buttons printed on the bottom... :mad: No scene of industrial design.

Zeiss camera is more of a label now, AFAIK HMD does not have any R&D on camera, they are buying standard modules like we do. Perhaps put more SW effort then just put the Zeiss label on it for branding.

So "Zeiss" label on a "Nokia" phone, "Nokia" label on some ugly hardware from unknown source. The only remaining value is those two brand labels and nothing else.

And world doesn't need another Android phone...;)

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Livermorium,

because the

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I have seen that "Zeiss" label on so many crap products that I have started seeing it as a "generic term".

Shame, really.

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Nowadays it is quite common that phones, laptops and such stuff have parts like camera (or just lens), speakers etc branded by another company. A company which is specialized to create those parts. There is those Carl Zeiss optics in phones, and Bang&Olufsen laptop speakers for example.

In theory, it is of course awesome that a company gives the job for another company which has more experience in making those parts. But, even Bang&Olufsen can't squeeze a complete 9.2 hifi system inside a laptop. Even Carl Zeiss can't squeeze a 10-200mm zoom lens with F1.4 for full zoom length inside a phone. All they can do is to fill the space with something very small, which actually has nothing to do with their regular products -which they are know of. Their regular products couldn't fit to the budget also. So the only difference in final product is the name of Carl Zeiss or B&O branded on top.

I have a whitewater kayak made by a company called Liquidlogic. the handles in the kayak are branded by Black Diamond, a company which has specialized to climbing gear. Sounds awesome, but brings no extra advantage to the kayak :D

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Looking forward do see this phone ship before New Year's Eve. (Not Chinese New Year)

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Just stumbled upon this in Storeman: https://github.com/piggz/irremote

http://reho.st/preview/self/1c444b5c...1d2f34a349.jpg

This will be awesome on Chen's phone.

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Ah, nice! And it's by Piggz!

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since the moto mod is the base for this, what about that tilt angle?
this render looks fine
https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-medi...qbdwaltuz8.jpg
but then the photo
https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-medi...0nreawub1e.jpg
this looks way to vertical

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I think it will be adjustable.

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For me there is no real point in a tiltable Display. Isn't such a construction more complex and fragile? In my opinion the simple slide mechanism of the N900 was fine'enough.

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It was. But I also liked that slight tilt on N97 or E7.

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It's will be adjustable on the phone, just like the Moto mod.

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It's very early prototype, the next is coming. And you CAN adjust to the angles you want.

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The thing that worries me about this design is that it may be too top heavy to easily wield and if the screen is big that it will be too wide for thumb typing. For those that have bigger phones like 5.5"+, Try typing in landscape. If you want big screen may need to have keyboard split into two halves that are closer to each side. Anyways, seems like a problem for me. Maybe not for most here?

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Can I do that once and that's it or do I have to do it every time?
No need for split keyboard. I can easily reach more than half screen with thumbs on 5.5" . I have big hands so I can stretch to 2/3 but I think that I will be OK for people with smaller hands to. And it will be way more comfortable for a lot of typing than that small keyboard on N900 where my thumbs was always bent at some angle.

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This will be the problem with Moto Mods, but this Livermorium device will solve it.

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Someone wanted less glue and more screws...

Why not have a screw and let the screen be adjusted 180. Make sure a screwdriver is included when shipping.

So instead of a slider you build a screwer.

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Well, if i hold my current 5" phone in landscape like i would type, with the bottom corners firmly in the center of my palm, i can just get my thumbs to touch each other.
If i position the sides of the phone to just at the base of my fingers i can reach the entire screen with one of my thumbs... add another 0.5" and i would have to hold my phone halfway up my fingers to be able to reach the entire screen.
If yours reach 2/3 on a 5.5" (you do mean landscape right?) in a normal typing position... how huge are you?

When i first learned about this thread and a new upcoming landscape slider i was pretty excited about it... then i learned it would be a 5.5" device, now i'm not even sure i even want it (since it wont be available in shops cant really get a hands on to try it to see if its workable).
Seeing as i dont even want my touchscreen only phones any larger than 5" (cause i want to still be able to use the phone in portrait when i dont have both hands available), why would i want a phone with hw keyboard that big?

Considering its gonna be a 5.5" device anyway might just as well cater it all the way for big people, i've lost my interest, dont even know why i bother replying...

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Clearly you need to 3D scan your hands in your normal typing position and get a full size 3D model printed for Chen so he can check it for you :D

For what it's worth, I can reach 2/3 of the way across my Fairphone 2 in landscape without feeling like I'm stretching. That's 5" with quite a big bezel - 143mm height. I'm 195cm tall so I have big hands, but I think the intention is to have a smaller bezel on the Chenphone and you only need to reach 50% of the way across with each thumb, so...

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Because you don't have a choice :(

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5.5 screen is a solid trade off. Not big. Not small.

Perfect heavymiddleweight champion.

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Because I don't have money to develop 5" or even smaller from scratch...:rolleyes:

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then why not make it 6.5" and save even more money ;) that would indeed be a handheld computer :D

Why think small :rolleyes:

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Because that's the whole point.

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To be clear, I meant nothing against Chen. I have a full respect for him trying. What I meant was, it would be nice to have a choice of HWKB devices in a range of screen sizes, races, creeds, colours and hues. But we don't. As it stands, we do not have a single such device. So be grateful if someone is going to make one, even if it isn't exactly to your dream specification.

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This! And We really need this new... Precious... Don't We?

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If the first device is proven successful and shows a demand, I will continue the effort with the "compact" version. And we will have more variant. But the key is to make the first one successful.

PS: TMO's ignore list function should mute the content in quote as well. :rolleyes: Otherwise it loses its function when it's in quote.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N...ol-d6bx5sd.png

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Yes, that looks like me. Love to work in the kitchen and also aliens.

It's generally a good idea for you to learning to ignore reading the stuff even when it's right in front of you. It's especially important not to bring up the subject you are trying to avoid :D

Love your picture. This thread needs more pictures. Hope for some prototype picture in the future. Feel free calling it crazy Dave.

Yes, I'm green. See you later alligator.

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@pichlo on a second thought and measurement, that this device isn't much bigger than the N810. Especially it is thinner than it. Hope more can accept in this way.

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For those like me who never had a N810, the picture below shows it next to other classics. Perspective, admittedly, but it still helps comparing.

http://reho.st/http://www.technology...es/4/11783.jpg

[Edit] Or here, many N900/N810 comparison pictures.

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/tj39jw22ic...04136.jpg?dl=0

N810 VS FP2 VS Moto Z

It's actually not that much of difference. Especially when it goes thinner.

I know 5.5 inch is big, but isn't that scarery. (And it gives a lot benefits not only a big screen but a bigger battery and we have more room to fit more components)

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Dimensions

Moto Z : 153.3 x 75.3 x 5.2 mm
Nokia N810: 128 x 72 x 14 mm
Fairphone 2: 143 x 73 x 11 mm

Screen size:

Moto Z: 5.5 inches
Nokia N810: 4.13 inches
Fairphone 2: 5 inches

Enviado desde mi F5121 mediante Tapatalk

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I think the one you mentioned is Z Play, Moto Z is slightly slimmer in all dimensions.

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Yes, you right... My mistake, I corrected with the correct dimensions

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the advantage with the n810 vs moto or fair ...concerning screens...was the resistive screen....and the goldilocks screen size.

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Loved my N810. Do not agree about the type of screen nor the size.

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@chenliangchen the N810 is shorter than a J1 and just slightly wider. Are you serious with your statement?
Maybe it would help, if you can already tell us the expected dimensions in mm, even if they are not final yet.

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Ditto, and the build quality of it!
Of all the Maemo devices the 810 feels the sturdiest and just mechanically best :)

---- edit ----

And I need to add the build of 810 is better than any of the symbian communicator devices. (which I also have owned all...)

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yup ...the beast is a tank....built solid.

well gerbick...each to their own...
but frankly I hate phablets ..too freakin big...
and smaller screens than the n800/n810 .
.ie : n900 (as much as I love it)... etc.. just a pain ...need a binoculars to read anything on them...
and give me a resistive screen any day of the week over capacitive...
resistive actually makes it worthwhile to do things on any handheld ... without getting truly frustrated and really pissed off ....as with most capacitve handhelds...( I find them irritating..anyway..)