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I don't know, their job is to run the business regardless of the stock market. The show must go on even though stocks slide.

It seems to me though that WP7 only is a stop gap solution to WP8. Not to say WP8 will be better. Judging by Windows 8 I don't have high hopes for WP8. But even so, if this is true it explains why Elop is still CEO, and it explains why Nokia would go for WP.

If they succeed, the upside will be extreme, the price could tenfolds in a year or two. They need only to do one single thing:
Make a killer of a phone with PureView running WP8. WP8 have to be void of the nonsense limitations of WP7 though, it has to be similar to Symbian in functionality. There is no doubt in my mind that Nokia is more than capable of making such a phone, but is MS capable of making such an OS?

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It's pretty clear that Microsoft is deviating from the path of supporting as much hardware as possible. It's clear that they are subscribing to the common thinking of "Apple has found the recipe for success" lately, and seem to want more control of all parts from hardware design till software sales. I don't think they care about supporting extreme cases like the 808, I think they want fewer, better known models that can be marketed more directly.

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At the time he announced NOKIA would be abandoning their own operating systems and adopting Microsoft's he was still a very significant shareholder in M$, seventh largest in the world if I remember correctly. It was only when awkward questions started being asked about a conflict of interests he 'sold' his M$ shares.

What's the betting when Elop's finished killing off NOKIA and returns to M$ with NOKIA's IPR Ballmer will gift him back the shares he 'sold' and more besides?

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That's not true. He was selling them but once the deal was announced he was prohibited to sell or buy Nokia or MS shares because of regulations. I would like to know if he still owns any MS shares or if he bought any Nokia shares but the information is hard to come by.

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Are you saying it isn't true or that it is true but he couldn't help it?

I could see why he wouldn't want to buy NOKIA shares knowing what he was about to do, as the FT reported at the time:

Investors seemed to agree with Pierre Ferragu, analyst at Bernstein, when he said: "It is hard to see any negatives in the deal for Microsoft, and it is hard to see any positives in the deal for Nokia."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/87a050ce-3...#axzz1wCQ9wIbS

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My point is that the conflict of interest was in fact the oppisite, he couldn't sell his MS shares before announing the deal and had to wait. This confilct of interest prevented him from doing so at the time because of insider trading regulations.

It would be interesting to know if he still has any Nokia or MS shares now though. Also, I agree that this was a one sided deal.

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With wp8 times will be hard for nokia. Now it have wp7 exclusivity: he can do what it want. For Wp8 all competitors(sam hp htc lenovo etc) will coming to this markzt. Those are healthier than nokia and will be very strong. Dark times are not finished for nokia. (Sorry for my english).

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I'm sure this has been said before, but i'm worried just how Nokia is going to be able to further itself as a brand and company, given the fact it no longer has it's own OS

Nokia has always been known for innovating - and that's why i've always had so much respect for Nokia

The N9 was an innovation with Swipe - something that was an excellent idea, and should be used on ALL touchscreen phones

In the past, Nokia has had to write their OS's to support such features - but now that they're essentially a hardware maker, their ability to innovate is going to be severely hampered.

Having said that, there IS a possibility that WP8 will be absolutely amazing and blow everyone out of the water. But i highly doubt that - very much so

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Disagree fully here. Nokia was Nokia before any mention of any OS. That's a rather recent addition to their plans and identity; one that's rather easy to remedy/

My time in Africa or Europe... I'd say otherwise. They've been known for reliability. Something that Maemo, MeeGo and now WP7 just do not deliver. Not saying Symbian delivers it either, but other historical phones from Nokia are still in use by folks that have no reason yet to upgrade or do not have the means to do so.

Indeed. But watch Android, BB10 and iOS all pull the best parts of Harmattan into their OS's going forward. Harmattan was before its time. Yet, it failed to garner support from within and without.

I doubt WP8 will bring a lot to the table. And that's knowing full well that WP7 has so much room for improvement.

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Need I go in to all the past innovations from Nokia? I'm talking about MAJOR stuff. The first SMS was sent from a Nokia phone, the first camera in a mobile was a nokia one, bluetooth for mobile was nokia, the first smartphone was a nokia phone - the list goes on and on. They have a MASSIVE patent portfolio. I think people fail to realise that Nokia has had such a huge part to play in the innovation sector.

That is my point - look at newer stuff like NFC and Pureview - both features that aren't yet compatible with WP, yet compatible with Symbian