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Dave999 2016-03-20 14:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1501755)
Ahhh, I see! You want a transparent communication. That's just as likely ;)
No, really. It just a suggestion to Jolla to help them to get more money from donation.

What I want you say...what I want is to see all supporters refunded as soon as possible. The rest is just background noise to me.

gerbick 2016-03-20 15:41
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1501761)
What I want you say...what I want is to see all supporters refunded as soon as possible. The rest is just background noise to me.
I think absolutely nothing will make you happy. If you had the tablet, you would have complained about something - build quality, battery life, lack of apps, fingerterm... something. Without it, you've decided to state the s-word (nope, not saying it here today) to the point I've actually started to visit the site less and hope that folks will eventually start receiving their refunds and/or tablets.

I do not know Finnish laws, but under restructuring there's a ton of things that you just cannot do. It is an unfortunate truth in all areas of the world and in business.

You want clear, transparent and open communication from Jolla. So say we all. You want to remove the background noise... talk less.

Dave999 2016-03-20 16:02
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1501763)
I think absolutely nothing will make you happy. If you had the tablet, you would have complained about something - build quality, battery life, lack of apps, fingerterm... something. Without it, you've decided to state the s-word (nope, not saying it here today) to the point I've actually started to visit the site less and hope that folks will eventually start receiving their refunds and/or tablets.

I do not know Finnish laws, but under restructuring there's a ton of things that you just cannot do. It is an unfortunate truth in all areas of the world and in business.

You want clear, transparent and open communication from Jolla. So say we all. You want to remove the background noise... talk less.
Im very happy with My new Bike. :D

Great design. Excellent build quality. Puré joy. Nothing to complain about.

gerbick 2016-03-20 16:04
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1501765)
Im very happy with My new Bike. :D

Great design. Excellent build quality. Puré quality. Nothing to complain about.
You know that I meant regarding anything Jolla.

Dave999 2016-03-20 16:09
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1501766)
You know that I meant regarding anything Jolla.
Oh jolla. how many Are happy with the jolla tablet that they never got a chance to see. Not many I guess. First you have to ship what you say at least remotely close to when you say it. Then you atleast have a tiny chance to get a few happy campers.

I'm pretty happy with the iPhone 6s Plus. You get what you expect from Apple, nothing more, nothing less.

But Jolla could atleast settle the score with the full refund. That would go along way with this epic fail tablet project.

mscion 2016-03-20 17:20
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
I do feel bad for Lastu. Still haven't heard from them if they will take an order from US. Maybe Jolla's refund should have been 1/3 and not 1/2 of order's cost. The difference could have gone to Lastu to help offset their losses.

elastic 2016-03-20 20:58
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1501769)
I do feel bad for Lastu. Still haven't heard from them if they will take an order from US. Maybe Jolla's refund should have been 1/3 and not 1/2 of order's cost. The difference could have gone to Lastu to help offset their losses.
jolla should send the cases back to lastu ... what happened to them ?
what about a donation page for lastu - would send them their part of the refund I get from jolla ...

gerbick 2016-03-20 21:30
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1501769)
I do feel bad for Lastu. Still haven't heard from them if they will take an order from US. Maybe Jolla's refund should have been 1/3 and not 1/2 of order's cost. The difference could have gone to Lastu to help offset their losses.
They will ship to the US.

Dave999 2016-03-21 18:32
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
anyone got refunded yet?

mosen 2016-03-21 18:50
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1501858)
anyone got refunded yet?
I fear you forgot something.

http://mosushi.net/misc/scam.png

Zeta 2016-03-21 22:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Looks like it is not easy for jolla to get some people back:
https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/711842306496851970
Quote:
#Jolla needs new engineering power! We've extended deadlines for our positions, please see http://jolla.com/jobs/ for details and apply!

robthebold 2016-03-22 00:50
For those of you dying to hear, my VW Dieselgate peace offering has arrived in my physical inbox, and as of yet my Jolla tablet refund has not appeared in my electronic one.

But VW had a two-week headstart, so perhaps Jolla can come from.behind. Stay tuned!

gerbick 2016-03-22 01:08
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robthebold (Post 1501884)
For those of you dying to hear, my VW Dieselgate peace offering has arrived in my physical inbox, and as of yet my Jolla tablet refund has not appeared in my electronic one.

But VW had a two-week headstart, so perhaps Jolla can come from.behind. Stay tuned!
German diesel hush money beats Finnish tech rebate money... not truly surprised.

Dave999 2016-03-22 06:02
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1501885)
German diesel hush money beats Finnish tech rebate money... not truly surprised.
Plus that is no guarantee that we actually see any money given jollas currency track record.

r0kk3rz 2016-03-22 08:25
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeta (Post 1501883)
Looks like it is not easy for jolla to get some people back:
https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/711842306496851970
The company was bankrupt only a few months ago, and they might not exist this time next year either.

So unsurprisingly, they're having trouble finding suitable people.

billranton 2016-03-22 08:55
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by r0kk3rz (Post 1501894)
The company was bankrupt only a few months ago, and they might not exist this time next year either.

So unsurprisingly, they're having trouble finding suitable people.
We do still want them to succeed and for Sailfish to still be around though, don't we guys?

JulmaHerra 2016-03-22 11:43
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Difficulties finding suitable people are not that uncommon, Jolla is special in sense that they cannot afford to train new people to do stuff and really qualified people cost money and may be hard to attract. Especially given the last developments that have tarnished the company's reputation quite a bit.

juiceme 2016-03-22 13:40
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Qualified people already have full-time day jobs...

nieldk 2016-03-22 13:43
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Is Jolla involved with Nokias new announcement regarding they will start producing phones "soon" :P

http://www.inquisitr.com/2815811/nok...-phones-soon/?

Dave999 2016-03-22 13:45
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1501912)
Qualified people already have full-time day jobs...
Yeah. Jolla should be better of hiring devs for the night shift. :D

mikecomputing 2016-03-22 14:03
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1501913)
Is Jolla involved with Nokias new announcement regarding they will start producing phones "soon" :P

http://www.inquisitr.com/2815811/nok...-phones-soon/?
ROTFL, why on earth do they think they can come back on mobile market.

And no ofcourse it will not be SFOS. It will just be some random Android garbage.

robthebold 2016-03-22 14:10
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1501913)
Is Jolla involved with Nokias new announcement regarding they will start producing phones "soon" :P

http://www.inquisitr.com/2815811/nok...-phones-soon/?
Nah, they just licensed their trademark.

aegis 2016-03-22 14:15
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1501896)
We do still want them to succeed and for Sailfish to still be around though, don't we guys?
Can I say 'No' without a mob with pitch forks?

That sounds harsh, and I've re-typed this a few times, but I'm not convinced Jolla are good parents for Sailfish. Sailfish needs nourishing not a diet of gruel.

I would imagine trying to convince excellent technical staff to join a company so understaffed and so under funded with recent 'death valleys' would be extremely challenging. If I was an applicant I'd be asking more questions than I was being asked.

mikecomputing 2016-03-22 14:20
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JulmaHerra (Post 1501901)
Difficulties finding suitable people are not that uncommon, Jolla is special in sense that they cannot afford to train new people to do stuff and really qualified people cost money and may be hard to attract. Especially given the last developments that have tarnished the company's reputation quite a bit.
I would say many FOSS/Linux people is not that money hungry. Or maybe I am wrong?

However it seems to risky start work at Jolla if you already have a work.

If I had more Qt skills and better in english :mad: and was out of job (or sick of my current position) I may have take this chance, even if it bit high risk.

billranton 2016-03-22 14:37
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1501921)
Can I say 'No' without a mob with pitch forks?

That sounds harsh, and I've re-typed this a few times, but I'm not convinced Jolla are good parents for Sailfish. Sailfish needs nourishing not a diet of gruel.

I would imagine trying to convince excellent technical staff to join a company so understaffed and so under funded with recent 'death valleys' would be extremely challenging. If I was an applicant I'd be asking more questions than I was being asked.
I'm not sure you're really saying no if you still want Sailfish to succeed, but that's a reasonable middle ground. I can't see how it could get any better nourished if Jolla were to fold though. Most likely it would die like those projects you see that get adopted by Apache.

mscion 2016-03-22 14:43
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1501924)
I'm not sure you're really saying no if you still want Sailfish to succeed, but that's a reasonable middle ground. I can't see how it could get any better nourished if Jolla were to fold though. Most likely it would die like those projects you see that get adopted by Apache.
I strongly support Jolla until something else better comes along...

Dave999 2016-03-22 16:13
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1501925)
I strongly support Jolla until something else better comes along...
Given that they fully refund all backers?

ZogG 2016-03-22 16:23
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1501923)
I would say many FOSS/Linux people is not that money hungry. Or maybe I am wrong?

However it seems to risky start work at Jolla if you already have a work.

If I had more Qt skills and better in english :mad: and was out of job (or sick of my current position) I may have take this chance, even if it bit high risk.
They maybe not, but they still need them to feed themselves/families and "to support tablet failing campaigns".
As well as Jolla is based on FOSS and some parts are open - they still are not FOSS, thus it should be not FOSS/Linux guys but as Jolla says "blah blah open blah blah open open blah blah unlike"

mscion 2016-03-22 18:17
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1501928)
Given that they fully refund all backers?
No. I believe in unconditional love...

mikecomputing 2016-03-22 18:39
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1501939)
No. I believe in unconditional love...
reminds me of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjwZAa2EjKA

zenecho 2016-03-23 13:15
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
..and so it begins

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jolla-Tabl...AAAOSwvFZW7-Kv

Starting price £499 - no bids Buy it Now price £999


A rare piece: Jolla Tablet 32 GB
Unopened package. Receipt included.

pichlo 2016-03-23 13:52
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1502003)
..and so it begins
It begins? ;)

Dave999 2016-03-24 07:20
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Cancel the eastern vacations for Jolla and fix your refund today so people can order an Ubuntu tablet on Monday. or atleast give the supporters choices to use the money today.

mscion 2016-03-24 12:53
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1502003)
..and so it begins

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jolla-Tabl...AAAOSwvFZW7-Kv

Starting price £499 - no bids Buy it Now price £999


A rare piece: Jolla Tablet 32 GB
Unopened package. Receipt included.
I just checked the link. Maybe what's rarer is anyone that's willing pay that price. Zero bids so far!

EDIT: One more thing. Seeing such consumer wisdom is renewing my faith in humanity...

mrsellout 2016-03-24 13:56
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1502061)
I just checked the link. Maybe what's rarer is anyone that's willing pay that price. Zero bids so far!

EDIT: One more thing. Seeing such consumer wisdom is renewing my faith in humanity...
They have relisted it with a more reasonable starting bid of £299 + P&P, but there's still some markup there.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/-/222063716937?

gerbick 2016-03-24 15:09
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1502063)
They have relisted it with a more reasonable starting bid of £299 + P&P, but there's still some markup there.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/-/222063716937?
A huge part of me doesn't blame him. During the Christmas holidays, I was presented with the chance to sell an extra Apple Pencil that I had acquired and was in very short supply.

They normally sold for $99 USD, it sold for $180 USD in the end.

I'm quite sure at £299, it might very well sell to a true fan whereas the prior price was sheer gouging.

chenliangchen 2016-03-24 15:39
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1502066)
A huge part of me doesn't blame him. During the Christmas holidays, I was presented with the chance to sell an extra Apple Pencil that I had acquired and was in very short supply.

They normally sold for $99 USD, it sold for $180 USD in the end.

I'm quite sure at £299, it might very well sell to a true fan whereas the prior price was sheer gouging.
I have no doubt it will be sold with a similar or higher final price, I was quite attempted myself. Still cheaper than a highend phone (even cheaper than the newest small iProduct)

Feel a bit like circulation of N950 a few years ago. The question for me is was it really worth the extra amount...

mscion 2016-03-24 15:55
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1502067)
I have no doubt it will be sold with a similar or higher final price, I was quite attempted myself. Still cheaper than a highend phone (even cheaper than the newest small iProduct)

Feel a bit like circulation of N950 a few years ago. The question for me is was it really worth the extra amount...
Not quite as bad for me. Not getting n950, with all the build up and what followed really was devastating...

gerbick 2016-03-24 16:33
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1502067)
The question for me is was it really worth the extra amount...
I believe this is a valid question for all. But we definitely agree 100%.

aegis 2016-03-24 20:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1502066)
I'm quite sure at £299, it might very well sell to a true fan whereas the prior price was sheer gouging.
It would have to be. If it was a Windows tablet it'd be about £30-100 max and arguably they're more useful, sadly. :(


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