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Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by dread123 (Post 534454)

this thread turned into a witchhunt thats why..the mods could easily edit nearly all replies except from him and the officials on here.leaving it a bit more civalised

How in the world does keeping such issues behind closed doors help the people who actually shelled out their hard earned cash to buy the device though?

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by ewan (Post 534481)

I don't know. It's not an easy question, but it's clearly one that needs to be answered, hence the suggestion of getting a view from the Community Council.

That's a possibility. The arguments for that seem fairly straightforward:
- He can't be trusted, and untrustworthy software should be kept out of the maemo.org repositories for the good on maemo.org
- There needs to be a clear penalty otherwise we're just inviting similar abuses in future.

I think it probably would be better all round if we could find a way back from this, but it's hard to see how that can happen until or unless SIO2 appears to recognise the wrongness of their actions, and I don't think they really do. I don't think it would be a good idea to let it slide with no action at all though - the maemo.org project and repositories have a (deserved) reputation for shipping good quality, properly QA-ed packages, and that will go away if maemo.org is seen to condone packagers circumventing the mechanisms that are set up to achieve that.

Can you tell me what the QA process is for apps that go into the OVI store? (Assuming it actually worked). I can't remember ever seeing one.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by EzInKy (Post 534483)

How in the world does keeping such issues behind closed doors help the people who actually shelled out their hard earned cash to buy the device though?

nokia fcuked that for you the moment you paid for phone mate...and members of this community knew about their plans...so dont make out that its one sided!

you are tellin me that this could not have been edited into about 6 or so posts???

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 534459)

What he did - wrong (though technically it should never have been able to happen in the first place if the correct security had been in place)

There is no security in the world which can prevent someone from registering multiple accounts just for voting. This is pretty obvious. Whatever conditions are added (must have posted, must have done this, or that) can easily be circumvented the moment you know about them.

Thus, trust in people to not abuse the system is needed. Breaking this trust is, to me, unforgivable. Sorry SIO2, I won't touch your applications. Ever.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

The way I see it is that the real problem is that the Ovi Store is not up and running the way it should be. If there were a decent way to distribute apps for Maemo 5, I'm sure sio2 would have takken it instead of fooling us.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with a lot of you guys that his action are totally inappropriate and therefore cannot be tolarated.

All I'm saying is that if I were to develop an app for maemo and had spent a month of my precious time developing something only to come to the coonclusion that there is no way to properly distribute my app (of course he should have checked if there was a way, but the way I say it I'm glad he didn't otherwise he might have never started to develop his apps), I don't know what I would have done ...

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 534480)

Ok - so you are a dev, you have a product ready to go to market. As we all know first to market is key in any new platform. You pay your money to use the "store" only to find that despite taking your money - they wont take your app. You then discover that there is a community supported repository where your app will get exposure, but in order to get into it you need 10 approvals, apps can and have been waiting months to get those approvals. Keeping in mind, to the best of my knowledge, there is to be no vetting process by Nokia for apps in the store - even if it was to be functioning correctly. So you find a way to approve your own app - not even bothering to really hide the fact, but not pointing it out either.

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Perhaps not the most transparent of actions, but not warranting the rabid response of the moral police either.

Are you trying to say that I´m trying to be highest priest of rightfulness and sinless soul? F no. I´m just pissed because I bought his software, I gave feedback, I gave vote for one of his Hoops versions and then happens this.

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Oh and in response to your earlier statement about living a place where you can leave your wallet etc unattended. I would very much like to know where that is - I have lived in 5 countries on 3 continents and in none of them would I have left my wallet alone for even 30 seconds

I was trying to say that i can leave my wallet to my jacket's pocket and leave jacket almost where ever without fear of getting robbed. Actually i have dropped my wallet and my keys once and got them back from police station. I have done this also to other people belongings. I´m not saying that everyone is like that, but i was trying to tell what kind of person I´am and why this might feel bad to me. So that people like you and others who do not take this so seriously could understand different people.

.edit Oh and my country you can see below my name.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 534508)

Really? Because I enter a lot of online give aways and they always seem to be pretty on the ball when it comes to stopping me entering from multiple emails. We could have at least TRIED.

So from your moral tone I take it you have never done anything remotely questionable to gain an advantage in any situation.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 534490)

Can you tell me what the QA process is for apps that go into the OVI store? (Assuming it actually worked). I can't remember ever seeing one.

I can't. I'm not sure there even is one, but that's completely irrelevant. There is a process for the maemo.org repositories, and it was abused.

You seem to be asking a lot of questions, but not really putting forward your own point of view. Do you think SIO2's behaviour was acceptable, and what, if anything do you think should be done about it?

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

Hi, new and first post here.

Doubt there will be much more from me.

I think the N900 is a great device and i am both lucky and happy to have it.

I have been lurking in this "community" for a while now since getting the device and have been shocked at the behaviour of some people on this forum, some really need to take a step back and take a look at themselves. Maybe its just a consequence of the open-source ideals and belief patterns that cause people to behave this way. I don't know and do no wish too either.

Suffice to say to lose a developer through such a public ousting for such a small user-community is horrific.

The fact is, that unlike Nokia he tried to explain his action's and communicate with this community. It got him no were except abuse from the majority. Some call for thicker skin on his part, but when you are putting your own (metaphysical) sweat and blood into somthing its hard not to take things personally.

I will continue to enjoy my N900 web browsing capabilities (looking foward to flash 10.1 one day too!) and whatever apps make it onto the N900 from maemo.org.

But rest assured that from the outside looking in the problem lies closer to home then most would wish to admit. Open community? Bring your pitch-forks, tar and burn them all at the stakes.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by slender (Post 534515)

Come oooon. Did you see his first packages there. He got 10 votes in one day from community members! I didn't have to wait for months for approval. And what you described is in my opinion highly unaccebtable behaviour and I really really hope that I will not do business with people minds like that. (Actually reminds me a bit one of my friends who is lawyer :| Not in good way.)

Are you trying to say that I´m trying to be highest priest of rightfulness and sinless soul? F no. I´m just pissed because I bought his software, I gave feedback, I gave vote for one of his Hoops versions and then happens this.

I was trying to say that i can leave my wallet to my jacket's pocket and leave jacket almost where ever without fear of getting robbed. Actually i have dropped my wallet and my keys once and got them back from police station. I have done this also to other people belongings. I´m not saying that everyone is like that, but i was trying to tell what kind of person I´am and why this might feel bad to me. So that people like you and others who do not take this so seriously could understand different people.

.edit Oh and my country you can see below my name.

Finland - ok never made it that far.

You say you bought his software. Were you happy with it? Did you in any way have cause to believe that it was being produced by a moral decrepit?

Look I agree what he did was not exactly Kosher, but you were perfectly willing to install his "questionable" software before this with little or no thought to the vetting process.