Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

I think a Q&A format would work better, and for that the easiest is a wiki where anybody can edit.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

common guy let just leave Quim do his job would ya? Stop trying to make him answering the question that doesn't really have an answer. Yes he work for Nokia but he isn't Nokia himself. I believe he'll not hide anything from the people here, i believe that he really have no idea about this MeeGO thing. Can't we just sit tight and wait until MeeGO OS become more Solid than now before asking him about it?

I also wandering about it too but just keep your mood cool for now and focusing on the applications and help developing more handy goodies software. It's not like we can do anything right now. We all may have our say! but saying too much is annoying and become a pain in the head.

Just keep it cool guys! and love your N900 :) i loved mine.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

In developer terms, Symbian had already navigation implemented and removing the payment step was simple. Maemo didn't have navigation implemented so no matter what new policies come, the implementation must be developed first.

Then you mention some bugs. It would be useful to have in that wiki page links to the bug reports that bug more N900 users. FUD says the Maemo team is not saying or doing anything about them, resolving everything as FIXED in Harmattan. It will help to refer to the concrete reports users have in mind when saying that, though.

Not true! The Fremantle team, lead by people like konttori, keeps working on new updates. Fixing, polishing and bringing new features to Maemo 5.

Of course we put a lot of attention on Harmattan/MeeGo/Step 5 since this is what we need to do in order to be and stay in the premier league.

Looking at http://www.octofish.net/bugjar/ we can see that 29 application/platform bugs were resolved as FIXED. It was 30 the week before.

A report of how many Maemo 5 bugs have been resolved as FIXED would be a useful fact, including of course the target release (Fremantle or Harmattan). More flesh for the wiki page?

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

This is granted! I don't recall anybody suggesting that this FUD was premeditated. This is why I think we have ways to clean it, or at least remove a lot of the unnecessary noise and bad mood.

Some posts here suggest that this FUD is some kind of useful lobbying to influence Nokia plans. Yes, a community like this can influence a company like Nokia. But at some point the community needs to evaluate how much worth is the extra noise and the extra bad mood around the same topics and how expensive it is for the community itself to keep this path.

The aim behind this thread is to improve the community mood, discussion levels and collaboration. To help shifting a trend that imho is going nowhere good, and is not helping to solve any problem.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

I applaud the way that Nokia addresses and fixes Maemo bugs (through user-submitted bugzilla reports), the whole deal would be so much sweeter if we could see these fixes sooner rather than later ;)

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

i hope the update is coming sooner this month.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Nobody is saying the expectation is unreasonable. Only the timing could be more reasonable.

For instance, "pretty much the same hardware" is a guess before the hardware details of a new device are announced. Yes, it will be based on OMAP3 but there are more elements in the hardware equation.

Again, please don't try to read between these lines. I just keep explaining reasons why it's too early for some of the questions you ask and why someone like me won't get into details in some discussions.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Sure, but at least I think something needs to be done when in a noticeable % of discussions I'm involved someone comes and says "all this is fine, but what about Harmattan/MeeGo in the N900", and then the discussion goes elsewhere beyond the point of the original topic.

Doing some work done in such context is more difficult and actually those interruptions possibly don't help making any real progress in Maemo 5, Harmattan or MeeGo. If we all understand this while discussing here, fine. If not then people like me will need to go and get some real work done in contexts less exposed than talk.maemo.org.


I honestly believe most of the 'N900 FUD' has lost track of itself and I consider it a cause in itself.

If someone thinks the only cause is Nokia not disclosing here and now a crystal clear plan committed about the N900 support then I politely ask you to look at the current situation and the implications:

Fresh Maemo 5 and Ovi Store getting regular news updates. No Harmattan / MeeGo releases yet. No next device announced yet. Early platforms plans already shared with developers, almost as soon as we have something solid to share. Increasing gitorious.org activity and MeeGo source code weeks away from a release.

plus...

Fierce and fast competition happy to follow all this activity and very happy to receive any end-user relevant news about current and future products in order to plan accordingly. Usually we don't get that much from them.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Confesssion: I haven't read all pages.

Question: Does moving all topics that might be labelled as FUD help Nokia focus on what the issues are by finding them collectively in one place or help them ignore users by giving them an entire forum to ignore?

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the sheer volume of these kinds of threads detracts from what very well could be useful threads, but to argue that it will help Nokia help us seems slightly absurd. Plus, I like playing devil's advocate every once and a while :-)

On a serious note, while Nokia's silence is annoying, the other end of the spectrum -- making a bunch of false promises -- seems far more bleak, and so I don't complain. Customer service on the other hand....

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

This is one of the improvement MeeGo will bring. OSS platform work totally detached from specific vendor plans. If MeeGo wants to have a roadmap with dates they are free to decide that, but a Maemo 5 roadmap with dates is another different story.

One day users will be able to run 'MeeGo unstable' in their devices with updates of whatever OSS components are there integrated. This connected with git repos, bugzilla, even variants with more experimental stuff... the real OSS deal.

Maemo 5 still has a mixture of open/closed & upstream/nokia/3rd parties that is difficult to separate at a release/repository level. Also the "hard" API layers of Qt and Web Runtime will make it easier tu run unstable OS while still keeping your chances of seeing your apps booting every morning and running properly.