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what rules have you seen violated?

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Bit off-topic, but I just read news article, which says that Intel is setting up two R&D centers in Finland (Helsinki and Tampere) and is looking to hire Meego people that Elop is booting out of Nokia. According to the article, even some people who still have jobs at Nokia are interviewing for the jobs.

So, Nokia might be abandoning Meego, but at least Intel is still investing.

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I'm confused. As someone who enjoys Maemo, MeeGo, my N900, and the concept of open source (rather, Free) software how am I supposed to be optimistic about Nokia and Microsoft releasing WP7 devices?

You can target the majority while still catering to the minority. But currently that minority is regarded with hostility by most mobile device and platform vendors. This is simply an increase in that hostiliy.

And I imagine that in short order, no one will.

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Once I started a thread about a Nokia article that was basically a cut and paste from AP news, that I had read 10 minutes earlier. All new info, ten minutes old, and a " moderator" here mergred my thread with a 3 month old thread because it talked about the same issues...

The leadership of NOKIA for good or bad have taken this "approach" with rolling out meego on their hardware. The Original Posters intent of this thread has been asked and answered. By keeping this thing alive all it does is start rants and raves pro or con against Nokia, and 4 threads laters the same cast of characters will argue about something else. It's a waste of bandwidth and memory, and a REAL MODERATOR would have closed this thread long ago. These types of threads take away what this board should really be about which is supporting the Maemo/meego/etc. community not about random debates that no one ever wins or loses.

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In my opinion, what Apple did was raise the bar for User Experience on smart, mobile devices. Please bear in mind, that I'm not a fan of Apple nor do I own any of their products. However, I will give them credit where it's due.

As far as the Android user experience goes, I haven't really checked it out, because, as an ex-developer, the idea of running a Java VM on top of the Core OS just annoys me. Therefore, for my own personal use, Android gets demised right away.

I think Elop & the rest of Nokia executive team took a good, hard look at the current state of MeeGo and decided that it couldn't deliver a user experience that was as good as iOS/Android, in time to prevent them from losing a very significant portion of the market to Apple and Google.

The Taiwanese and Korean manufacturers are just churning out very impressive Android devices, with a new one being announced almost daily, it seems. And, there are more and more 3rd party apps and addons for iOS devices being pushed to market, daily as well.

A lumbering, old giant like Nokia just couldn't keep up if it had stayed on it's present course with Symbian.

While MS may not be the most exciting of partners, what I've seen of WP7-Mango is *very* impressive.

Perhaps, one day. MeeGo will impress me as well with it's User Experience. However, from what I've seen so far, it's not there, yet!

http://unplugged.rcrwireless.com/ind...wn-from-nokia/

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http://unplugged.rcrwireless.com/ind...er-in-finland/

;)

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I don't think anyone can argue that. Apple is in their current position for a number of reasons, and good design and execution are one of them. They may not be the first out of the gate, or original, but they do it better than anyone else and that's how they succeed.

It actually says nothing about MeeGo (which is all about infrastructure, not the user experience) and more about Nokia being unable to deliver. That's the point of MeeGo, to give companies (and open source communities) a vendor-independent, fully open source base from which they can create their own User Experience.

Of course, Harmattan's could be awesome and Nokia could have jumped the gun. But I suspect the path was decided once Elop came on board.

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There is a problem with that though: What is the ecosystem? It is easy to say that MeeGo apps should run on any MeeGo OS, no matter what the UI layer is. But in practice, that just won't work. If the UI layer is too different, apps have to be tweaked towards the specific product, and can't just be released for "MeeGo".

It is still not clear to me at all how this problem is going to be solved. You want to be able to say "this is a FOO phone and you can run FOO apps on it" (and expect a consistent, competitive user experience). MeeGo, the way it is structured and presented now, does not really provide this kind of ecosystem.

The next "MeeGo" device is going to be an awesome product. But I am just not sure what exactly the value and purpose of "MeeGo" is in the process.

At least with Maemo, we had a clear identity. Everything since then is almost a blur to me, and I think it's exactly this lack of clarity which was causing Nokia a lot of harm, and which Elop has been set out to eliminate. From what I have seen and heard so far I consider him a smart, straight-forward person, and I'm going to hold off judgement on his handling of the MeeGo situation until I see how exactly it will play out (which will become much clearer in the coming weeks).

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There is a problem with that though: What is the ecosystem? It is easy to say that MeeGo apps should run on any MeeGo OS, no matter what the UI layer is. But in practice, that just won't work.

Yes, it will work.

It's actually quite trivial from a technical standpoint. The reason it hasn't been done before is because vendors want to lock you into their ******** 'ecosystems'.

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That doesn't answer my question, though.