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Rauha 2011-08-17 13:42
Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1071790)


These predictions can be made because they do not involve future fantasies and immature fanboy feelings, only facts.
1. In the beginning Ericsson created the truths and the facts. 2. The Truth was formless and empty, factless over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of Ericsson was hovering over the waters.

3. And Ericsson said, “Let there be Fact” and there was Fact. 4 Ericsson saw that the Fact was good, and he separated the Fact from the Fanbois. 5 And there was Truthiness, and there were Facts—the first dawn knowledge.


tkatchev 2011-08-17 13:50
Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 1071798)
Since that opinion flies in the face of so many legal and business moves, especially the past several years, can you explain why you say that?
Stop drinking the cool-aid.

In the modern world there is no such thing as a 'patent'. 'Patents' are meaningless scrip that's used as ammunition for determining which corporate penis is larger in court.

For 16 billion you can buy an awful amount of lawyers, enough to not care about 'patents' whatsoever.

gerbick 2011-08-17 14:00
Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1071806)
Stop drinking the cool-aid.

In the modern world there is no such thing as a 'patent'. 'Patents' are meaningless scrip that's used as ammunition for determining which corporate penis is larger in court.

For 16 billion you can buy an awful amount of lawyers, enough to not care about 'patents' whatsoever.
Wait. If there is no such thing as a patent, then what is Microsoft using to get royalties from HTC and the others (Samsung, et al)? If not patents, then what? It may be argued that the patent infringements are bogus - Google is saying that right now, actually - but patents are indeed real. Some are enforceable, some are straight written bullcrap that needs to be revoked or ignored.

Please be specific. Because I'm genuinely curious.

Laughing Man 2011-08-17 14:12
Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1071796)
And of course they will. That's the whole point of buying Motorola.

Now Google can compete with Apple on the profit margin and marketing fronts, while still locking in third-party manufacturers like HTC and Samsung into their ridiculous Android 'ecosystem'.

Obviously Google thinks they have HTC and Samsung by the balls, in that HTC and Samsung are now entrenched, trapped with Android.

I wonder what HTC's and Samsung's next move will be. (Bada?) They must be furiously thinking right now.
They will probably diversify between Android and WP7. Google will probably do the vanilla experience, and hopefully push Samsung and HTC to do a better job with their custom ROMs.

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Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1071806)
Stop drinking the cool-aid.

In the modern world there is no such thing as a 'patent'. 'Patents' are meaningless scrip that's used as ammunition for determining which corporate penis is larger in court.

For 16 billion you can buy an awful amount of lawyers, enough to not care about 'patents' whatsoever.
Yeah and how many batches of 16 billion dollars to buy lawyers that Apple and Microsoft have? I'm willing to bet it's still cheaper to buy patents than to hire a lawyer and still risk losing (or getting a bad long term deal).

Though I still think our patent/copyright system is a mess that needs heavy reform.

Zoxir 2011-08-17 14:14
Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1071811)
Wait. If there is no such thing as a patent, then what is Microsoft using to get royalties from HTC and the others (Samsung, et al)? If not patents, then what? It may be argued that the patent infringements are bogus - Google is saying that right now, actually - but patents are indeed real. Some are enforceable, some are straight written bullcrap that needs to be revoked or ignored.

Please be specific. Because I'm genuinely curious.
Well actually MS it's using its size and bullying HTC as there are no patent claims just the threat that they might do so in the future if HTC does not pay royalties to them. So it's more like pimping LOL

ysss 2011-08-17 14:17
Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 1071784)
What happens to your stock in a company if they split like that? E.g. If I bought Motorola stock and then they split.
You mean if they spin off a part of their operation into a separate entity/corporation?

Texrat 2011-08-17 14:30
Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1071806)
Stop drinking the cool-aid.

In the modern world there is no such thing as a 'patent'. 'Patents' are meaningless scrip that's used as ammunition for determining which corporate penis is larger in court.

For 16 billion you can buy an awful amount of lawyers, enough to not care about 'patents' whatsoever.
But...wow. So there is no spoon after all. This revelation changes everything! It could even invalidate one clause of Article 1, Section 8 of the US constitution! It renders the USPTO useless! Not to mention hordes of lawyers. Time to invoke the William Shakespeare Protocol!

And best of all, it vindicates everyone who thought Amazon got a huge gift with that one-click purchase patent nonsense!

Thank you. Truly, thank you for opening my eyes and hopefully the eyes of billions. But man-- we've got a LOT of legalism to unwind now! Time's a-wasting!

And I hate KoolAde.

Texrat 2011-08-17 14:31
Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1071818)
Well actually MS it's using its size and bullying HTC as there are no patent claims just the threat that they might do so in the future if HTC does not pay royalties to them. So it's more like pimping LOL
Seriously, big difference between "no applicable patents in this case" versus "no such thing as a patent (:rolleyes:)"

number41 2011-08-17 14:33
Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1071806)
Stop drinking the cool-aid.

In the modern world there is no such thing as a 'patent'. 'Patents' are meaningless scrip that's used as ammunition for determining which corporate penis is larger in court.

(...)
You do know that a penis, corporate or otherwise, can still do a lot of damage to someone's behinds, right?

Case in point: Take Nokia, for example... One of the only reasons they're still afloat is because they managed to succesfully sue Apple for a large ammount of cash, due to patent infringement, IIRC.

Now, if this corporate phallic protuberance, while big enough to basically play the role of a functional third leg (since the other two were lost in the platform's fire) and keep a nearly dead company still on its, errr, glans, still ammounts to you to no more than a negligible form of business peacock tail, I should say you surely have an unique take on how big big is.

Crashdamage 2011-08-17 14:37
Re: Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 
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Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1071795)
Wrong on all counts.

In the end, Android is not an open system anymore. Of course that is bad for HTC and Samsung.

Also, 'patents' are a ridiculous red herring for keeping clueless people confused. Patents have nothing to do with anything.
Android has never really been an open system. That is, it's open except for the parts that aren't which is quite a bit. What's changed now?

If you think patents are ridiculous go ahead and violate some and see how ridiculous your legal fees are.


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