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lardman 2008-05-17 23:30

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Sounds promising indeed :)

disq 2008-05-18 17:38

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
I filed a bug about diablo kernel not booting in n810. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3174

gnuite 2008-05-18 17:53

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Was that a good idea? I highly doubt they would release a firmware image that didn't boot on the N810, and they almost definitely aren't going to try and support an official Chinook-to-Diablo upgrade path like the ones certain people on these forums are unofficially exploiting.

qwerty12 2008-05-18 18:10

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
I guess it is in beta testing.

To anyone, don't try and file a bug against too large initfs. It will be fixed in final. Meanwhile, pm me if you want a stripped diablo initfs to flash.

deadmalc 2008-05-18 18:40

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
My impression was that the partition size needs to be bigger for the diablo initfs and kernel, so i assume that it will work fine with the official image, as they will make the partition bigger in the image.
I'm just guessing here....

gnuite 2008-05-18 19:53

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
I don't think that's an issue with Diablo's kernel, deadmalc, just Diablo's initfs. The kernel has a different issue, at least on the N810, where the partition is large enough to allow the Diablo kernel to be flashed, but trying to boot with that kernel does not work. The N800 can boot the kernel just fine, though.

Pretoriano 2008-05-19 09:21

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
i'm a bit lost, what's the password?? thanks!

qwerty12 2008-05-19 11:42

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
That would be too easy ;)

I was the 1st one to get it without any hints and now there are a lot of hints here.

Texrat 2008-05-19 11:48

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
qwerty and gnuite are in the ballpark re initfs. Again, you guys put together a sort of "Frankenstein" creation (props for the accomplishment though) that doesn't even reflect what I've been flashing with. There are a lot of variables in the unreleased packages that could mislead someone.

Again, mention your bugs in the Diablo bug thread under the Developers section, and little elves will see to it that the valid ones get reported. :D

qwerty12 2008-05-19 12:01

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Hehe, I spent a day figuring out how to strip it :) (Actually I sent my copy of the stripped initfs to gnuite)

I just ripped out the testserver which is not needed unless you work in Nokia and have a cable to switch it into that mode and need to test the parts of the device. Fanoush's initfs flasher takes out the testserver too.

I've already mentioned the initfs thing and you replied :). I won't use Bugzilla because:
- It's an unreleased leak :)
- I can't figure out Bugzilla :o :p :)

GeneralAntilles 2008-05-19 12:09

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qwerty12 (Post 183219)
I won't use Bugzilla because:
- It's an unreleased leak :)
- I can't figure out Bugzilla :o :p :)

Well, that, and there's no version to file against. :\ https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3061

deadmalc 2008-05-19 12:21

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gnuite (Post 183074)
I don't think that's an issue with Diablo's kernel, deadmalc, just Diablo's initfs. The kernel has a different issue, at least on the N810, where the partition is large enough to allow the Diablo kernel to be flashed, but trying to boot with that kernel does not work. The N800 can boot the kernel just fine, though.

Sorry my bad, my point was that the kernel + the initfs are (I assume) are in the boot partition, and the increase in size of the initfs requires a bigger partition. So maybe the official release will have a bigger partition size in the image.
Of course maybe they just stuffed it, but it's been around for awhile now so I doubt it.
Anyone know what has increased the size?

Cheers

Malc

Benson 2008-05-19 13:56

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deadmalc (Post 183221)
Sorry my bad, my point was that the kernel + the initfs are (I assume) are in the boot partition, and the increase in size of the initfs requires a bigger partition.

That assumption, though reasonable, is wrong... the kernel lives on its own partition, and the initfs on its own. Hence the confusion.

gnuite 2008-05-19 20:24

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deadmalc (Post 183221)
Anyone know what has increased the size?

The increase in size of the initfs is probably due to either (or both) of WiMax-related functionality and debug functionality. By the time the official release is complete, it might be smaller, perhaps even small enough to fit into the original partition size. In any case, the official Diablo flash image will be sized appropriately for all the N8x0 platforms (N800, N810, N810WE).

nilchak 2008-05-20 02:17

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
This thread got so big with all such technical details that I lost track....
so is there any A2DP support yet on Diablo ?

Should I go ahead and buy myself a Bluetooth Headphone now expecting Diablo to support it ?

qwerty12 2008-05-20 06:00

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
No. I posted that it didn't.

rcadden 2008-05-20 12:57

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Seriously, the fact that an Nseries device (regardless of whether anyone thinks it should be an Nseries) such as the N8x0 doesn't have A2DP after this many updates is embarassing, in my opinion.

gnuite 2008-05-21 04:40

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Hey, have any of you fellow Diabloers experienced a SSU since the 13th? It's been more than a week, and I thought they were supposed to be rather regular....

GeneralAntilles 2008-05-21 04:50

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gnuite (Post 183969)
Hey, have any of you fellow Diabloers experienced a SSU since the 13th? It's been more than a week, and I thought they were supposed to be rather regular....

Nope, nothing since the first one.

rcadden 2008-05-21 04:55

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gnuite (Post 183969)
Hey, have any of you fellow Diabloers experienced a SSU since the 13th? It's been more than a week, and I thought they were supposed to be rather regular....

....I think it was disabled.....

GeneralAntilles 2008-05-21 05:12

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rcadden (Post 183975)
....I think it was disabled.....

They could've pushed a new repository internally, I suppose, but the tableteer upgrade repo is certainly still functional.

Spoke too soon, Application manager just wasn't throwing an error for some reason. :\

Code:

W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got )
Smart of Nokia to forgo the use of intelligent community beta testers. . . . (especially considering that there've been at least 4 major bugs filed from them)


Works fine.

qwerty12 2008-05-21 05:46

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 183980)
They could've pushed a new repository internally, I suppose, but the tableteer upgrade repo is certainly still functional.

Spoke too soon, Application manager just wasn't throwing an error for some reason. :\

Code:

W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got )
Smart of Nokia to forgo the use of intelligent community beta testers. . . . (especially considering that there've been at least 4 major bugs filed from them)

I've been getting those errors for a while, as long as your sources.list file is correct, you can ignore it.

Also, I've been checking, there are no updates.
Also, for N810 users, the first diablo kernel shipped was kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200817maemo2_all.deb (according to my archives which is still a good thing to keep as FTD was removed) but now there is kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200819maemo2_all.deb

No idea if this kernel will work with N810 but it's a change for sure.

Mythic 2008-05-21 07:32

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Well, today an update has appeared. But before you start to "celebrate", it looks it killed my installation. It warns that the device will be restarted during the update and when it really happens then it starts, shows Nokia logo and then it dies. (backlight off , the nokia is still visible on n810 screen but it fades to eternity)

Mythic 2008-05-21 07:36

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
As a quick sidenote, both initfs and kernel were marked to be udpated so I guess the problem is somewhere there. It was on 810.

GeneralAntilles 2008-05-21 09:45

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
For information sake (3.2008.19-3 to 3.2008.20-4):

Code:

The following packages will be upgraded:
  components-installer gst-plugins-farsight hildon-im-common-virtual-settings
  hildon-im-fkb hildon-im-hwr hildon-im-scv hildon-im-thumb-scv hildon-im-vkb
  hildon-im-wc hildon-input-method-plugins-western hildon-input-method-widgets
  icd2-network-wlan-config initfs-flasher kernel-diablo-flasher libglade2-0
  libhildon-im-hwrarea3 libhildon-im-vkbrenderer3
  libhildon-im-western-plugin-common3 libhildon-im-wordcompletion3
  libhildonhelp0 libicd-network-wlan libmodest-dbus-client libnspr4 libnss3
  libnss3-certs libssl0.9.7 libssl0.9.8 libsupld1 libtinymail-1.0-0
  libtinymail-camel-1.0-0 libtinymail-gnomevfs-1.0-0 libtinymail-maemo-1.0-0
  libtinymailui-1.0-0 libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0 lsb-base microb-eal
  microb-engine modest osso-chat-ui osso-contact-plugin osso-help-ui
  osso-icons-default osso-rss-feed-reader-lib
  osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked python2.5 tablet-browser-controls
  tablet-browser-default-plugin tablet-browser-dialogs tablet-browser-ui
49 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.


Bundyo 2008-05-21 11:01

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 184033)
For information sake (3.2008.19-3 to 3.2008.20-2):

Uhm, my version is 20-4...

GeneralAntilles 2008-05-21 11:03

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 184043)
Uhm, my version is 20-4...

Oops, typo!

Texrat 2008-05-21 11:29

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Keep in mind that a service like SSU should only work for things in a formally realeased state.

svs57 2008-05-21 12:09

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
I'm listen music via a2dp on N810.
Search here how turn a2dp on.
>This thread got so big with all such technical details that I lost track....
>so is there any A2DP support yet on Diablo ?
>
>Should I go ahead and buy myself a Bluetooth Headphone now expecting >Diablo to support it ?

svs57 2008-05-21 12:10

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
What user/password to enter http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ ?

yerga 2008-05-21 12:19

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by svs57 (Post 184062)

Discover it yourself, there are many hints in this thread :)


In other related notes, the diablo+1 possibly will be called elephanta, no?
the diablo+2 could be called fremantle?? Or what is fremantle in the maemo world? I have seen it in some svn commits in maemo svn.

Jaffa 2008-05-21 12:33

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yerga (Post 184067)
In other related notes, the diablo+1 possibly will be called elephanta, no?

Correct.

Quote:

the diablo+2 could be called fremantle?? Or what is fremantle in the maemo world? I have seen it in some svn commits in maemo svn.
I'm not aware it's been confirmed (whether it'll even exist, or its name if it did). Suffice to say, it'll almost certainly be wind-based.

fiferboy 2008-05-21 13:30

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
It looked like the latest update killed my N810 as well. It would just sit at the initial boot screen and do nothing. The scary part was that I could not get it into USB mode to reflash.

After leaving it at the boot screen for a few minutes (maybe 5 or so) it suddenly completed booting. Now there are periodic slow down (one minute to complete "sudo gainroot") but things seem to be working again.

I had left my tablet in "no-lifeguard-reset" mode since flashing, if that is relevant.

Benson 2008-05-21 13:51

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Remember the initfs doesn't work; it's too big? If this wants to update the initfs, better do it manually. I'm gonna try telling it I have the new version of that, and updating, maybe...

Later today, I'll post results.

svs57 2008-05-21 15:59

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yerga (Post 184067)
Discover it yourself, there are many hints in this thread :)


In other related notes, the diablo+1 possibly will be called elephanta, no?
the diablo+2 could be called fremantle?? Or what is fremantle in the maemo world? I have seen it in some svn commits in maemo svn.

Thank you for complete answer :)
HOWTO: Use google

Mara 2008-05-21 16:19

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
I just updated my N800 to 20.4 with SSU and had no issues...

(But again... my system was originally clean Diablo flash... not hacked frankenstein that most of you guys are using... ;))

Johnx 2008-05-21 16:59

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Me too. no issues have appeared yet. I wish I did it via apt-get so I could have seen what changed though. :/

Mythic 2008-05-21 20:35

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mara (Post 184178)
(But again... my system was originally clean Diablo flash... not hacked frankenstein that most of you guys are using... ;))

W would also prefer to have it your way, send us the image :D

Mara 2008-05-21 20:39

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mythic (Post 184349)
W would also prefer to have it your way, send us the image :D

Sure.... I can send you (screenshot) image... :p

deadmalc 2008-05-21 20:42

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Well I upgraded and it stuck at the boot screen, I flashed the rotation kernel on to it and it booted fine and said "software updated OK".
There's a mention of this on this thread before.

Phew! Luck escape...this time ;-)

And the rotation is a neat feature, seems to work fine on diablo too!


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