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Nirunrid 2009-11-29 17:50
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by etuoyo (Post 399094)
Think I may be returning my device after only one day of use. I bought the device mainly as a phone and mp3 player. But for some reason it is unable to play any of my playlists and the media player keeps freezing up (apart from the fact it is so basic). Plus I have had a few random reboots, the device seems a bit slow, my USB connection keeps dropping off. I would have been able to make do with all the other issues if not for the failure to play my playlists. I am now deleting all my music files then will try to synch with Ovi Music. If it still doesn't work then the device is definitely going back.
I don't have any of those problems at all. Weird.

christexaport 2009-12-05 23:59
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You sound like you just need a replacement unit. There will always be defective units when manufacturing on a large scale as this. Don't get discouraged so soon. No one else is having those issues, so its an obvious anomoly.

etuoyo 2009-12-06 00:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirunrid (Post 399352)
I don't have any of those problems at all. Weird.
Sorted out most of my issues. Only thing I haven't been able to sort out is why on compilation albums it shows album artist (Various Artists) rather than the actual song artist. Pretty annoying not being able to tell who sang the song. On songs featuring an artist I will also have the same problem. So for example Just Good Friends which on my PC and other devices would show as Michael Jackson ft Steview Wonder will just show as Michael Jackson since he is the album artist. Annoying but definitely not as annoying as the Various Artists thing.

bugelrex 2009-12-06 00:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 412300)
You sound like you just need a replacement unit. There will always be defective units when manufacturing on a large scale as this. Don't get discouraged so soon. No one else is having those issues, so its an obvious anomoly.
Is this the first phone made in Korea for Nokia? That factory must be ran pretty badly. Nokia's have always been known for rock solid quality (well, the ones made in Finland)..

christexaport 2009-12-06 01:42
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Don't forget this is a totally new device, with totally new hardware. There aren't that many problems in the grand scope. You just happened to get a bad unit. Some of the mic issues are software related. I don't think the Korean factory is the issue at all. More likely its a design problem or hardware problem on the hardware front, and mainly has been software issues.

houz 2009-12-07 22:54
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
hahaha this thread makes me lulz

NotTheMessiah 2009-12-07 23:00
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
This thread should be closed. I think its been pretty well established the N900 doesnt suck, its just some bad units manage to make their way out the factory. To all those with issues like rebooting and poor performance, just go exchange it and get one that works.

Megacrazy 2009-12-08 00:08
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
So why do you feel it's necessary to bump the thread after all this time?

I think by now it's been well established that a lot of people have issues with the N900. You just have to take a quick look at the threads in this section to realize that the n900 is bug heaven. The list of bugs is growing towards the moon.

Sorry but 'it's gonna be fixed soon' doesn't cut it. There are competitors out there that do everything the N900 does better and cheaper.

The whole 'mobile computer' argument is getting equally ridiculous. The N900 is not even at netbook or umpc level. Mentioning mobile computer and N900 in the same sentence is insulting to every low end laptop out there. This phone is not half baked...it's still in dough form.

Nokia took 10 steps forward on hardware design and 20 back on the software level. I suggest all the 'developers' on this forum start developing something worthwhile..not emulators for games that came out 20 years ago or stock apps that require the user to go through 20 menus to update 2 stocks.

But wait...this is Linux...think of the potential...think of the open source apps. I think i can describe Linux in a few words: 'nearly there for over 20 years'. I hate to break it to you guys but android and the iphone HAVE BEEN THERE for over 2 years. Get with the program or I'll see you here in 10 years again with Maemo20 and 'nearly there for over 30 years'.

You want some pointers on where to start?

- Make sure the user experience is stellar. nobody cares about remote desktop to a home computer from a moving bus (except for the 5 nerds on this forum with a complete collection of star wars figures)

- stop emulating games from the 80s. The world has moved on...so should you.

NotTheMessiah 2009-12-08 00:18
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 415634)
So why do you feel it's necessary to bump the thread after all this time?

I think by now it's been well established that a lot of people have issues with the N900. You just have to take a quick look at the threads in this section to realize that the n900 is bug heaven. The list of bugs is growing towards the moon.

Sorry but 'it's gonna be fixed soon' doesn't cut it. There are competitors out there that do everything the N900 does better and cheaper.

The whole 'mobile computer' argument is getting equally ridiculous. The N900 is not even at netbook or umpc level. Mentioning mobile computer and N900 in the same sentence is insulting to every low end laptop out there. This phone is not half baked...it's still in dough form.

Nokia took 10 steps forward on hardware design and 20 back on the software level. I suggest all the 'developers' on this forum start developing something worthwhile..not emulators for games that came out 20 years ago or stock apps that require the user to go through 20 menus to update 2 stocks.

But wait...this is Linux...think of the potential...think of the open source apps. I think i can describe Linux in a few words: 'nearly there for over 20 years'. I hate to break it to you guys but android and the iphone HAVE BEEN THERE for over 2 years. Get with the program or I'll see you here in 10 years again with Maemo20 and 'nearly there for over 30 years'.

You want some pointers on where to start?

- Make sure the user experience is stellar. nobody cares about remote desktop to a home computer from a moving bus (except for the 5 nerds on this forum with a complete collection of star wars figures)

- stop emulating games from the 80s. The world has moved on...so should you.
Petty.
Linux is a good OS, look at ubuntu!
Oh and wait, whats that based on... Debian
Whats Maemo based on? oh its Debian again, a really rather good variant of linux. One more point.. Linux is built around unix and so is Mac OSX but i dont hear you bashing that.

If you dont like the device, dont have one. But youshouldnt be going around telling everyone its rubbish just because it doesnt meet your needs. Thats like me going around telling disabled people wheel chairs are rubbish just because they arent suited to my needs.

Bratag 2009-12-08 00:24
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Is this whiny prick still here?

dude sell/return the phone already and go back to sucking on the iphone teet.

Havent had one of the issues you have. had a reboot today, had just installed dialcentral. rebooted again after I restarted DC uninstalled it, back to solid. If everyone followed that kind of process perhaps we would have less whiners

timomaemo 2009-12-08 01:04
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)
Overall

+ Feels solid
+ Great screen
+ Good sound quality from speakers/phone
+ Pretty fast camera
+ Good keyboard
+ USB charging/sync
+ Customizable desktop
+ Fast GPS lock
+ Nice Task Switching
+ Very nice OS

- Scrolling anywhere is like a bunch of mini seizures, really close together. In other words, garbage. Why the hell is this not perfectly smooth like the iPhone? It's the same hardware.
- Missing features that make you go WTF: no playlists, no searching email.
- WTF do you sync with...you get OVI links from the factory yet you try ovi suite and you get "device not supported". Typical Nokia garbage.
- Desktop widgets are cool but take facebook and news...you get 2-3 lines that keep scrolling and no way to make the widget larger. Completely useless.
- Music player widget is great but does not work with A2DP. Why?
- RSS reader is slow as hell to update (wifi or not). Scrolling is painfull at best.
- Transitions in the OS are nice but they often turn choppy and fail altogether. If you want to use transitions see that 2 year old device...what was it again...oh yeah.
- Try playing music and going online at the same time. The choppy scrolling gets even worse. Can I still scroll in the browser? Yeah. Is it painful as hell? Yeah.


Browser:

+ Pages load fast considering everything it's loading.
- Scrolling through bookmarks is slow as hell. Why?
- Scrolling through pages you get the checkered pattern VERY often. Sometimes you sit there for 3-5 seconds waiting for the scroll to catch up. WTF?
- Sometimes the pages get messed up with previous pages. Half the page would be the current page, half the previous page. You have to either reload the page or scroll over the messed up area to refresh it. WTF?
- Clicking back brings up this nifty history view. Nice. Now I have to factor in 5-10 seconds every time I want to click back? Have a history button and have the back button do just that: TAKE YOU BACK. No, I don't want to press backspace.
- Flash...yeah it does flash and youtube videos. If you feel like waiting 20 seconds for the video to catch up to the audio every time you move the page while playing the video then this device is for you.


Conclusion

I could go on and on but in a few words: THIS PHONE IS GARBAGE. I like it for what it can do but it doesn't do anything better than other phones out there. The experience is still painful. All the fragmented scrolling and painfull transitions make you feel like you're asking the device to do too much. Over-planned features are everywhere and yet not fully implemented (widgets, what widgets?). Basic functions are missing.

Where are the apps? WTF do you sync with? Why isn't there a central support page for this phone..etc.etc. I don't think Nokia has their stuff together and doubt they ever will. For me, this was Nokia's last chance to continue earning my business after all the garbage I bought from them over the years. Let's see how it pans out with some firmware updates but I am starting to get the feeling we're all wasting our time.
I agree. The user experience is just not there but a fight with actually nonexisting possibilities and sluggish, hampered apps. Technology is just not managed. Sorry to say, iPhone 3G S is in touch and usage in a totally different dimension. Check in out in you shop as I did with some real touch demo with a shop keeper. No, I'm not any sales person, just a current regular user of Nokia 9500 that just received a wakeup call in connecting people - time to say goodbye

God 2009-12-08 01:19
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HD2 for de win

timomaemo 2009-12-08 01:21
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pagesix1536 (Post 389427)
I never use playlists. Won't bother me one bit. Does it have the ability to play music based on info gathered from ID3 tags? Like play all music in a specific genre? That and a really good directory structure is all I need.
By the way, how much Nokia pays for you for your comments here? Mine just went.

Texrat 2009-12-08 01:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 397254)
So apart from these garbage/perfect posts...if you guys tested the phones let me ask you:

1. How did you miss all the bugs?
2. Have you reported some of these bugs and are they being worked on?

Sorry, but a media player app not remembering shuffle settings after you select a different song from the playlist tells me that nobody even used the media player app before the phone was released.
You are making some really ridiculous assumptions there sport.

1. who says all the bugs were missed? see #2
2. yes bugs have been reported and are being worked on

I guess you missed the news about 1 firmware update since the 300 phones issued and another coming soon. Bugs aren't fixed overnight, but to assume the crew is not working on them is naive.

But then, I get the feeling you're not too concerned with that process, and have another agenda altogether.

timomaemo 2009-12-08 01:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bugelrex (Post 412343)
Is this the first phone made in Korea for Nokia? That factory must be ran pretty badly. Nokia's have always been known for rock solid quality (well, the ones made in Finland)..
I agree - going away from Finland might after all not make Nokia to be the most profitable mobile company. As you may know, Nokia is nowadays outsourcing all (production & customers :) to some cheaper (more profitable) coutries than the "expensive Finland". So, there is a price tag for this too, nothing really comes for free!

Texrat 2009-12-08 01:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timomaemo (Post 415712)
time to say goodbye
Adios! Fun while it lasted.

timomaemo 2009-12-08 01:43
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NotTheMessiah (Post 415550)
This thread should be closed. I think its been pretty well established the N900 doesnt suck, its just some bad units manage to make their way out the factory. To all those with issues like rebooting and poor performance, just go exchange it and get one that works.
Dear Messiah,
My humble wish is that let the people speak - We do not crusify Jesus but just exchange opinions about Judas. Therefore "This thread should be closed" is not the most effective argument in this particular state of the time. As the captain of Titanic said, "Let the band play as long as they still can have fun!" Also a point of practical concern: If your advice would be followed, all Nokia N900 would be returned - a mess compared to Titanic, or how do you feel?

mthmob 2009-12-08 07:28
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I can only say one thing about this phone... It is the best phone i ever laid my hands on... And thats after i have had Iphone 3g, HTC Touch Diamond, Nokia N95(beats the first iphone.. lol), and various older ones. I have also tried Alot of the newer touch phones available on the market today, since i had to make an impression on what to get next.. after i tried N900.. i didn't sleep until i got it.

Sure there are features missing atm.. and a few noticeable bugs around... but this being an open source OS and the n900 only being out officially for a couple of weeks, i think we can expect alot of progress within a few months and alot of great additions already...

Checking out whats already available for download in extras, testing and devel... its safe to say that in 6 months, available apps for the n900 will be overwhelming..

Even the battery surprised me, the only thing i found draining the battery fast was Wi-Fi.. and that can be fixed by changing the signal strength from 100mW to 10mW.. and you still get the same from your home Wi-Fi.

And anyone claiming the n900 is slow and sluggish.. they got a bad unit or need glasses.. mine runs smoother then anything i've seen before... yeah i've seen the crappy iphone 3gs (that dosen't have a physical keyboard, no multitasking, crappy camera and no flash, no customizeable UI, dosen't support widgets or no open developement, no removeable battery) Its just an ipod touch with phone functionality.. nothing more.

NotTheMessiah 2009-12-08 08:20
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by timomaemo (Post 415742)
Dear Messiah,
My humble wish is that let the people speak - We do not crusify Jesus but just exchange opinions about Judas. Therefore "This thread should be closed" is not the most effective argument in this particular state of the time. As the captain of Titanic said, "Let the band play as long as they still can have fun!" Also a point of practical concern: If your advice would be followed, all Nokia N900 would be returned - a mess compared to Titanic, or how do you feel?
Ok, this is fair comment and i wont argue with you about that.

However, what is annoying me is that some people clearly have a defective unit, yet are NOT exchanging it for one that works and are making the assumption that their faulty unit's terrible performance/stability is the typical N900 experience.

If you're device does not operate properly. ie poor performance, crashing, rebooting, scrolling is horrible, etc then SWAP IT FOR A NEW ONE!! It's simple enough, if its not working properly exchange the bloody thing.

christexaport 2009-12-08 10:19
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I don't even think some of these trolls have devices, just agendas. But I entertain them, too. Trolls gotta eat, too. Here's a sandbag sandwich, ya hoser!

christexaport 2009-12-08 10:26
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 415634)
Nokia took 10 steps forward on hardware design and 20 back on the software level. I suggest all the 'developers' on this forum start developing something worthwhile..not emulators for games that came out 20 years ago or stock apps that require the user to go through 20 menus to update 2 stocks.
I'd eat you alive in any debate back in High School. Your foundation is always weak.

I feel the exact opposite. Nokia took a step back in hardware. This is typical of N90, 2006 workmanship, weight and size, but the software is something brought by that monster in Cloverfield. Nothing comes close.

What is worthwhile to you may not be for others. The legacy game emulators have been pretty popular, and other platforms are copying the trend. As for the stock app, talk to the dev, and maybe make a useful contribution to this community. The room is already warm enough. We don't need any more hot air.

shinkamui 2010-01-05 18:45
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N900 is a dream device. The software will grow and improve with the community. If you're waiting solely for nokia to make your dreams come true, then you're a living in a dream. This is going to be group effort. Maybe you should have waited for step 5 of 5 before investing. On a side note, I'd just like to point out that classic consoles have been emulated on handhelds at least as far back as the palmsizepc. Just to give credit where its really due, its a good trend that the N900 developer community is following.

Slick 2010-01-05 22:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)

- Scrolling anywhere is like a bunch of mini seizures, really close together. In other words, garbage. Why the hell is this not perfectly smooth like the iPhone? It's the same hardware.
Could you elaborate trying to reproduce the issues(helps me understand things better) general scrolling between the 2 is different, I find it very responsive with a occassional missed click.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)
- Missing features that make you go WTF: no playlists, no searching email.
- WTF do you sync with...you get OVI links from the factory yet you try ovi suite and you get "device not supported". Typical Nokia garbage.
Totally agree with you

Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)
- Desktop widgets are cool but take facebook and news...you get 2-3 lines that keep scrolling and no way to make the widget larger. Completely useless.
My problem with it is you can't update from the twitter or facebook widget, that in itself defeats the purpose.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)
- Transitions in the OS are nice but they often turn choppy and fail altogether. If you want to use transitions see that 2 year old device...what was it again...oh yeah.
Not having a problem in that area, how hard are you pushing it before it gets this way ? Can't exactly compare a multitasker with a device that can't multitask.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)
- Try playing music and going online at the same time. The choppy scrolling gets even worse. Can I still scroll in the browser? Yeah. Is it painful as hell? Yeah.
tried this and a few site, only music and random webpages, was smooth fluid and responsive. I did notice a 1-2 sec additional gap when it was going from one track to another but nothing was choppy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)
Browser:

- Scrolling through bookmarks is slow as hell. Why?
- Scrolling through pages you get the checkered pattern VERY often. Sometimes you sit there for 3-5 seconds waiting for the scroll to catch up. WTF?
I don't have enough bookmark but can I check out some sites your visiting ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)
- Sometimes the pages get messed up with previous pages. Half the page would be the current page, half the previous page. You have to either reload the page or scroll over the messed up area to refresh it. WTF?
haven't run into this yet
Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)
- Clicking back brings up this nifty history view. Nice. Now I have to factor in 5-10 seconds every time I want to click back? Have a history button and have the back button do just that: TAKE YOU BACK. No, I don't want to press backspace.
lol, so you don't want to use the button that let's you do exactly what you want to do...lol. I do think they need to allow the browser to be more configurable.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)
- Flash...yeah it does flash and youtube videos. If you feel like waiting 20 seconds for the video to catch up to the audio every time you move the page while playing the video then this device is for you.
I haven't had this problem ? The hardest hitting flash I got was at att's wireless site, but that same site crashed my desktop safari and opera browsers(had to many valuable tabs open with ff to try it so I didn't bother)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)
Conclusion

Basic functions are missing.
agreed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)
Where are the apps? WTF do you sync with? Why isn't there a central support page for this phone..etc.etc. I don't think Nokia has their stuff together and doubt they ever will. For me, this was Nokia's last chance to continue earning my business after all the garbage I bought from them over the years. Let's see how it pans out with some firmware updates but I am starting to get the feeling we're all wasting our time.
I agree with the sync, large amounts of apps are NEVER there at launch of a new device not even with "apple" pulled that off. I do agree with you Nokia needs to do some wonderful updates, but if they tie in garbage(unremoveable google&ovi type stuff) or disable functions and leave me without a way to get hardware improvements the base updates I'll leave and develop for some other platform.

slender 2010-01-05 22:41
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)
- Scrolling anywhere is like a bunch of mini seizures, really close together. In other words, garbage. Why the hell is this not perfectly smooth like the iPhone? It's the same hardware.
I can confirm this. Especially in sms view and in photo gallery. There is bug report about this.

Quote:
- Missing features that make you go WTF: no playlists, no searching email.
- WTF do you sync with...you get OVI links from the factory yet you try ovi suite and you get "device not supported". Typical Nokia garbage.
Yep. My "Wtf" moment too :)

Quote:
- Try playing music and going online at the same time. The choppy scrolling gets even worse. Can I still scroll in the browser? Yeah. Is it painful as hell? Yeah.
There is bug report about this. Clearing cache should help, but thatīs not the real answer.


Quote:
- Scrolling through bookmarks is slow as hell. Why?
- Scrolling through pages you get the checkered pattern VERY often. Sometimes you sit there for 3-5 seconds waiting for the scroll to catch up. WTF?
- Sometimes the pages get messed up with previous pages. Half the page would be the current page, half the previous page. You have to either reload the page or scroll over the messed up area to refresh it. WTF?
I can confirm all these also :|

Quote:
- Clicking back brings up this nifty history view. Nice. Now I have to factor in 5-10 seconds every time I want to click back? Have a history button and have the back button do just that: TAKE YOU BACK. No, I don't want to press backspace.
Totally agree.

Quote:
- Flash...yeah it does flash and youtube videos. If you feel like waiting 20 seconds for the video to catch up to the audio every time you move the page while playing the video then this device is for you.
Actually youtube is quite fast for me but quality looks lower than standard youtube quality. Very pixelated.

Quote:
The experience is still painful. All the fragmented scrolling and painfull transitions make you feel like you're asking the device to do too much.
Yep. Itīs not smooth experience. Users saying else have maybe not tested other phones or they are comparing this only to other Nokia products.

schettj 2010-01-05 22:52
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You know, I wonder how many people are seeing bad performance because (and this isn't an excuse, it just is perhaps unexpected behavior) they load the device with 20GB of music and then start doing their performance tests.

Of course, the n900 will spend the next several minutes/hours grinding through that 20GB of music (slowing down responsiveness, killing the battery) with the tracker. Meanwhile, the user says "wow this experience, it is teh suck".

The iPhone? It uses your deskop pc and the apple itunes software to do all that processing for you, and then ships the metadata over. Nice, except you're locked into itunes and you can't dump songs on/off the device directly.

Anyway, I just wonder if that may be a contributing factor.

slender 2010-01-05 22:56
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I have copied couple of songs and couple of trailers, but those are already indexed.

Megacrazy 2010-01-05 23:59
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 416180)
I'd eat you alive in any debate back in High School. Your foundation is always weak.

I feel the exact opposite. Nokia took a step back in hardware. This is typical of N90, 2006 workmanship, weight and size, but the software is something brought by that monster in Cloverfield. Nothing comes close.

What is worthwhile to you may not be for others. The legacy game emulators have been pretty popular, and other platforms are copying the trend. As for the stock app, talk to the dev, and maybe make a useful contribution to this community. The room is already warm enough. We don't need any more hot air.
Nothing like making statements based on nothing and accusing other people of having a weak foundation. Unfortunately for you people have moved on since high school. You bore me to tears so anything else you say will be ignored.

Let's recap a little bit:

- Where is the firmware update that was supposed to be out last year?

- Who really thinks it will add features? I think it will fix 30% of the bugs and add a few features out of the hundreds that are missing.

- In the meantime, Apple is prepping a tablet launch as well as a new iphone a couple of months down the road. What does Nokia do? Try to take them down with patent lawsuits. Well done.

- Google is launching a phone that will probably smack the N900 back to the stone age. Much better hardware and plenty of apps already available.

Yeah, I would say it is looking very promising for the N900. Unfortunately for all of us, I think Nokia is simply too late to the game. I don't see any changes of direction either. They are acting like they are alone on the market and have years to prepare their products. One more reality check coming up for 2010. Anyone care to guess how much their market share will drop this year?

Don't get me wrong; I hope they do get out of this mess and come up with some nice products. Less choices for the consumers is never a good thing. However, until they show any sort of positive signs I will stand by my opinion that they have already failed. They just don't know it yet.

schettj 2010-01-06 00:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 454881)
- Where is the firmware update that was supposed to be out last year?
released to a select group of testers last year, but yes it is late.
Quote:
- Who really thinks it will add features? I think it will fix 30% of the bugs and add a few features out of the hundreds that are missing.
bugfixes. Are you going to give Nokia more then two years to add such "features" as cut and paste? Oh, yeah, that's only OK for Apply, I forgot.
Quote:
- In the meantime, Apple is prepping a tablet launch as well as a new iphone a couple of months down the road. What does Nokia do? Try to take them down with patent lawsuits. Well done.
It's the american way... Apple has used that play as well. I guess its ok when they do it? BTW Apple has been preparing (or saying they will never release) a tablet for about 10 years. Guess those $250 netbooks are starting to cut into sales of $300 ipod touches?
Quote:
- Google is launching a phone that will probably smack the N900 back to the stone age. Much better hardware and plenty of apps already available.
Universal Reception: yawn, it's a rebranded HTC handset running android. Oh.... kay.
Quote:
I will stand by my opinion that they have already failed. They just don't know it yet.
Nothing like making up your mind using imperfect information :D

Devil 2010-01-06 00:42
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there is a lot.

so a lot to like.

a lot to think what sucks.

get a phone. get over it. go bowl. get some icecream. hump your dog who cares

yorg 2010-01-06 00:49
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 454881)
Don't get me wrong; I hope they do get out of this mess and come up with some nice products. Less choices for the consumers is never a good thing. However, until they show any sort of positive signs I will stand by my opinion that they have already failed. They just don't know it yet.
Kinda hard not to get you wrong. What mess are you talking about? You compare the N900 with 3-4 different things and you condemn it for not being better than the combination of all of them.

Let me help you get out of this mess. Buy an iPhone and a Nexus One and the Apple tablet when it comes out, and if you bought a N900, sell it on ebay. Simple isn't it!

"Firmware update last year" instead of "two weeks ago" makes it hard not to "get you wrong", sorry.

salomc 2010-01-06 01:19
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Watching this discussion, I thank the day I decided to buy my iPhone. I had (and still have...) a N800, and by the course of this discussion, I can understand why N900 sucks too (yes, it sucks, by many many reviews): there's no place for constructive points of view, like Megacrazy's or from anyone else. This is where "freeware" unfortunately tends to arrive: anywhere.

Now, going to download one or two more games for tonight. For iPhone, of course.

Bye!

schettj 2010-01-06 01:28
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
yep ... with constructive points like "they've already failed" - who knew they would not be warmly received?

On the up side this topic makes for toasty reading on a cold winter's night....

Barts 2010-01-06 02:01
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by salomc (Post 454954)
Watching this discussion, I thank the day I decided to buy my iPhone. I had (and still have...) a N800, and by the course of this discussion, I can understand why N900 sucks too (yes, it sucks, by many many reviews): there's no place for constructive points of view, like Megacrazy's or from anyone else. This is where "freeware" unfortunately tends to arrive: anywhere.

Now, going to download one or two more games for tonight. For iPhone, of course.

Bye!
I had an Iphone, i never went to any other forum to tell everyone how amazing it was, i have an N900, i don't defend it rigorously or go to any other forum to tell people how wonderfull it is,people love products, or people hate them, most people can make informed decisions on what is best for them and what suits their needs .unfortunately it's comments like yours that try and add fuel to the fire and keep what seems like a pointless debate going. good luck with your games, i'll just use my PS3, or are you going to tell me that sucks and xbox 360 is better

RobertHall 2010-01-06 02:05
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
i dont think nokia promised a firmware update by the end of last year. "expected firmware" isnt "definitely youll get it....."

salomc 2010-01-06 02:54
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barts (Post 454983)
I had an Iphone, i never went to any other forum to tell everyone how amazing it was, i have an N900, i don't defend it rigorously or go to any other forum to tell people how wonderfull it is,people love products, or people hate them, most people can make informed decisions on what is best for them and what suits their needs .unfortunately it's comments like yours that try and add fuel to the fire and keep what seems like a pointless debate going. good luck with your games, i'll just use my PS3, or are you going to tell me that sucks and xbox 360 is better
This phenomenon occurs only here... Write that you have an N900 in an iPhone forum and the maximum you get is "really?".

Insecurity is the name of this thread. Really.

And about gaming in a PS3, no, I don't have one. I play on my PC only. What's the relation of this with what I have written? Jealousy?

Oh man... Get a life =)

PS: I never told "how amazing it is" (yet it IS amazing...), I only said I have a phone/gadget which I use far more than I need to fiddle or fix or talk about it. Don't get me wrong (you want to prove I'm wrong, but you just prove I'm right...).

Barts 2010-01-06 03:00
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by salomc (Post 455035)
This phenomenon occurs only here... Write that you have an N900 in an iPhone forum and the maximum you get is "really?".

Insecurity is the name of this thread. Really.

And about gaming in a PS3, no, I don't have one. I play on my PC only. What's the relation of this with what I have written? Jealousy?

Oh man... Get a life =)
you make no sense at all. pointless entering a flame war really

salomc 2010-01-06 03:06
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barts (Post 455041)
you make no sense at all. pointless entering a flame war really
Don't get it personal, really!

mysticrokks 2010-01-06 03:06
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
salomc you do have a good phone- probally the best out there, but why are you here?

Laughing Man 2010-01-06 03:06
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by salomc (Post 455035)
This phenomenon occurs only here... Write that you have an N900 in an iPhone forum and the maximum you get is "really?".

Insecurity is the name of this thread. Really.

And about gaming in a PS3, no, I don't have one. I play on my PC only. What's the relation of this with what I have written? Jealousy?

Oh man... Get a life =)

PS: I never told "how amazing it is" (yet it IS amazing...), I only said I have a phone/gadget which I use far more than I need to fiddle or fix or talk about it. Don't get me wrong (you want to prove I'm wrong, but you just prove I'm right...).
I can't tell if you've been on the internet to long (by your get a life comment), or haven't been on it long enough.

Here's how it usually plays out on the internet (despite your post saying it doesn't). Your in one camp, you go to the other camp and you stir up trouble [usually by saying it sucks]. You get flamed by that camp to no end.

Insert camp with whatever you want. Videogames, devices, religions, sex, whatever. N900, iPhone it doesn't matter, the result will always be the same.

Texrat 2010-01-06 03:11
Re: N900 - Yes, it sucks.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by salomc (Post 454954)
there's no place for constructive points of view, like Megacrazy's or from anyone else.
There have been many, many constructive and objective points of view expressed in this forum, on the N900 and other topics.

Megacrazy's posts do not fit either description. They are abject rants.


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