Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

fatalsaint has already commented but I'll add some details.

If you know that you're not up to speed with a technology, go on a quick Google adventure. Actually google the words you're about to use and see if what you're saying is at least in the right field. And if you're corrected, google the correction to learn even more and accept that you were wrong and move on with the added knowledge. When it comes to computers (or science in general), the details are oh so important.

When it comes to you thinking that it's "a big problem" that applications that are installed will place files on the root partition, I can only repeat that you are wrong. Again, this is, typically, how Linux systems work. Installed applications have specific places where they should be placed to be in tune with the rest. There has gone a lot of time and effort into planning the best way to separate applications, data and configurations in Linux systems and Debian is a pretty good example of this.

So, enjoy your, now, even better N900 and go on a Google adventure like the rest of us have to do all the time to keep up.

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Hey, good point! I'm dragging his sorry @$$ in here. Why shouldn't he be punished with the rest of us?

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Ah yes, I forgot ysss. Sorry Ysss!!

I haven't really seen Gerbick or GA in this particular one.. maybe I just got too fury-eyed to pay attention.

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It's done on Windows too, actually... the most common drive to install anything is C: - which is *gasp* - the rootfs (typically) for a windows install!

C:\Program Files to be exact... and that's quite a bit like /opt for us.. it's a special place you're *supposed* to put software. (though, not everyone does ;))

Except that /opt for us actually more similar to installing software to the D: drive.. which is usually a better practice as well. Not filling up the C: drive is definitely a good idea.

In any case.. you are correct that this is typically just "standard" procedure.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

vickyg.

uhmm... the first question. NO

second question. I never knew the status. I don't know what the status was at the time I didn't know it.

third question. uhmmm.. since I didn.t know the status, nor what the status was when I didn't know it, I can not tell you why I didn't tell the community.

uhmm vickyg. was the questions you had directed at me?

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Yay for sudden thread merging.
Ok, so my post went POOF into thin air as I cannot locate it back anymore.
So I am going to ask again.

For those with PR1.2 .... is the font kerning bug in the browser fixed?
It's when you zoom in and zoom out on text and the spacing between the characters goes all funny, making a big mess of everything.
It was on the fix list for PR1.2 and I wonder ot it's included in this version of PR1.2? :)

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Is there basic VIDEO CALL SUPPORT OTHER THAN SKYPE!!!! in 3G network!!!

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

To create a debian file which HAS a reprogrammed cell/3G chip to some new firmware the author at least needs access to Nokia internal documentation and code. To fix a lot of bugs which are still listed in bugzilla the author should be a genius.

Taking that into account - a leaked PR1.2 is definitely a Nokia product.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

True, but all one needs to be is an employee of Nokia and have malicious intentions to take one of PR1.2 builds, modify it, and then "leak" it.

For example: The build is over a month old right? What do you think he could have been doing to it in that month? ;).

I mean honestly.. if you're a Nokia employee and you want to "get back" at the company, or "support open source!", or whatever misguided ideological philosophy this guy was operating under - wouldn't you release the latest build? Why a month old one? ;)

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wait sarcasm wut?
Is that my clique? :D

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

OK, I'm feeling really lazy now and I can't be bothered to read all these threads about Leaked PR1.2. So, would someone briefly explain to me what happened? I'm in my holidays now, so I haven't been following maemo.org so much. ;)

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

cliche! cliche!

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A 7.6 earthquake struck Trolltech and wiped out all development on Qt 4.7.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Didn't they release the Fiasco image maker with the Meego codedrop though? It was initially packaged by Nokia for sure, but what took someone a month to release it to the public? That's enough time for someone to add something to it.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

I don't get it.

Now that more people are jumping on the "this is great" bandwagon, is the purpose of this thread now to encourage people to flash their N900's with any old thing they find on the intertubes?


If So: Is it because someone knows that this leak is free of malicious code ?

If So: Then someone knows the producer of this leaked build.

If So: What is the purpose of this leak?

...just wondering. :confused:

***

On one hand it is good to know things are improving but on the other hand most of this is known from the SDK analysis.

I can wait because in both the SDK and users reports nothing is going to be added that will allow me to jump higher, run farther, or see through solid oblects or suttin'

The problems I do foresee on this forum are down the road.

As new apps are announced here, developers may get useless feedback from users who may still have this build installed.

Instead of collaborative threads where improvements come quickly, these threads may become bogged down with Billy's "Your program made my phone crash" nonsense.

3 pages later Billy's negative statement is traced back to Billy's installation or flash history and not the announced application itself. By that time many have moved on and nothing is accomplished.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

hhhmmmmmmmm scary

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Hey, just wondering, when PR1.2 is released officially, it will be device upgradeable right? No flashing required?

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

To answer my own question:

http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/02/t...Maemo+Central)

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

what you didnt know?? its going to be released in 25minutes!!

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Although this note is right in general, but taking into account the leaked PR1.2 package content it is highly unlikely that it was created by somebody outside of Nokia software build department.

The leaked PR1.2 has a couple of Nokia private components which fix a couple of bugs and which are not possible to create without hard work and access to Nokia source software repository.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

SO tell me: How did you know what the PR1.2L package had in it?? Hrmm???


(damnit! I said I was done trying to argue this with people http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/Smil..._face_wall.gif)

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

I noticed after installing this PR1.2, the Conversation icon in the homescreen is a bit blurred, though the rest is fine.

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That isn't helpful at all.

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ROFL

I will call them....

.... The Jaded Ar$3holes.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

That would never be a purpose of a moderated thread here. I don't understand why that would even be in question...

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Really? That is honestly the atmosphere I am starting to witness which is why I got a little over-zealous about it.

Some people do seem to be implying that it's perfectly 100% the "cool" thing to do to just randomly flash whatever the hell you find ending in a .bin.

Those of us that offer warnings are somehow Jerks, A-holes, or general "mightier than thou" types that are just here to oppress the "people" and their "Freedoms".

Maybe I'm just taking it too far...

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If this is a case I am pretty sure that Nokia lawyers are preparing a court papers with billion damages to that person - it is TOO easy to immediately find it. The access to any build which doesn't pass a software build department is pretty restricted. Morever, in many companies to create a full build it requires a replication a lot of resources and that is easy to find.

That is pretty simple - this is a test build or release candidate which was given to a couple of people for intensive field test. The month is required for testing (you didn't work in big software company, I see).

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um.. why would someone who "leaked" an internal company build give a damn about waiting a month for "testing?"

They would just release it as soon as they got their hands on it, I would think.

Or are you saying that there is a first phase of internal testing that takes a month, and then they open it to more field testers after that month - and it's these additional field testers that may have leaked it (as soon as they got it as I said above)?


ETA: It doesn't matter. Im not going to argue this. Especially not with you egoshin - I respect you too much for it. If you feel the need to tell people it's perfectly fine to flash whatever random thing they come across - then so be it. I'm done trying to help and warn people that such behavior is typically a very bad idea.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Because it was not the same person who got a testing build.

I hope it is not a case, it could be too cynic.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Key words: purpose and moderated. ;)

EDIT: maybe the thread title should be changed to make that clear though. Or is that too oppressive? :D

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

No, I don't want to say to people that it is perfectly fine to flash a leaked software, you can meet anything in it - it is not officially approved.

But equally, I don't want a panicking people and rumors about malicious gays behind Linux software.

Just people should understand that it is NOT official release and use it in the same way as devel-extra repository - NO warranty on quality... but some good efforts were done behind that release.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Yes; and I've already said that we were lucky that this PR1.2 leak at least appears to be fine and I'm glad it's working for people.

However, I don't have an MD5sum of the original, and while we can get a md5 of the leak it doesn't help us much - so we can't guarantee that it's a totally unmolested release.

I also even said that it was unlikely; but that doesn't preclude the possibility. As Tex said in the other threads, I'd rather warn and be wrong than say nothing and watch the fallout. (not a direct quote, he just said something similar.)

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

I think you may need a new reflash. The reason is - the leaked PR1.2 is an "international" version but you may want your home country one. The Over-The-Air upgrade will pull international after you flash a leaked PR1.2

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@fatalsaint

Ok point taken that old shool talk and exacting talk dont mix so i will be more exacting just for you.

What you are saying and yes it is a fact that it is not reccomended people flash with un-official firmware but hey lets face it what has the maker done to even implement a small fix from Feb to now?.

You still will not admit the fact that EVERY developer for the N900 that individually designs apps end up being programmed into a device globaly by many people are in fact capable of being potentially dangerous to the OS (rootfs) and the firmware of the N900 if the progg is not written right to the device its being programmed into (N900).

Also none of the downloadable apps come with a field test attatched to them (also a trait of Nokia on there own devices before being marketed) making the possibility of damage it can cause to the OS (rootfs) and firmware potentially openly dangerous simply because developers are given the free right to develop and they never have to even consider if their work is potentially dangerous to the OS (rootfs) and complete firmware of the N900.

They are not capabale of checking so simply because of the missing device drivers and a complete disclosure of source code (including apps) once again needed for proper development on the N900.

So who checks them for install before they are listed?

Please dont tell me the developers assigned to the downloads of this community because why are N900's in many cases ranging from battery drains and eventual bricked devices going faulty?.(dont blame the USB port).

Does all that criteria come under the warranty of Nokia when a bricked device is sent in for repair?.

This community has a lot to answer for in real terms but no one will admit this thats directly involved within the community.

Free development is in my view is just not possible without complete disclosure of every single driver and developers have all source code of the firmware and of every single app etc in the N900.(potential conflicts).

So in real terms it can be said that the N900 being let out by Nokia as a hackers dream for free development without proper support and constant firmware updates on a regular basis (do people have to scream for them) is in fact a disaster.

Many many things are wrong here and i feel no one directly linked to this community is prepared to even consider this let alone admit it.

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:)

(just for message size)

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Ok, this is a debate I can participate in abill_uk.

I think you are misunderstanding something fundamental. I'm not going to quote and dissect your post you're just going to have to understand where these arguments fit.

There is three repositories that are tied to this community. There is the Extras, the Extras-Testing, and the Extras-Devel.

Inside Extras all apps should be optified and "written right to the device its being programmed into (N900)." Now yes, you will see a change to rootfs on any app, even my pypianobar; because the Linux System itself has a package management system that keeps track of installed packages and their dependencies. We're talking about a tiny flat-file database here which is just enough to change a sha1/md5 checksum of the filesystem but not enough to get paranoid about.

The only time a package can make it into Extras is after having spent 10 days and received 10 votes in Extras-Testing. There is currently being stood up an additional method of "Super Testers" that will run an app through an intensive test cycle, and after 3 approvals from three different Super Testers, as well as after 20 days in the testing repository - then it can be promoted without the 10 vote requirement.

Extras-Testing, as the name implies, is for testing. It is made clear every time you see a post on how to enable testing and devel repositories (at least it should be on every post) a warning telling you that, as the name implies (because apparently naming it Testing and Devel isn't enough for people) - THIS SOFTWARE HAS NOT BEEN TESTED.

Now yes, there has been many people needing to reflash their device because of improperly coded software in the devel repository. It is expected that if you turn that repository on; you are a developer (or at the very minimum don't mind reflashing).

I would like to see a single person that filled their roofts using only Extras installed software. None come to my mind currently, but perhaps I'm wrong and you could be so kind as to provide me the link to the thread of the normal, every day joe user, that did not enable Devel or Testing - that broke their device from improperly coded software.

There *is* a stamp of approval on software in Extras: That stamp is you *know* at least 10 people used it successfully for at least 10 days with no problems and that it is optified.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

This is not iPhone development.

Nokia is working to bring open source to maintream mobile devices. This is not for everyone. Those unwilling to live in this world should stick to other, safer products.

Really, abill_uk, that's it. You can protest that until the end of time and the protest will be a waste of wind.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

No bluetooth fully working mouse support??

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No microwave cooking capability, either. Now they're saying PR1.3.

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PR1.3 also comes with the "Wingman" app.. it basically helps you pick up chicks at bars by getting the fat chicks enthralled with your N900 leaving the good lookin ones for you to spit game at.

Latest details is the app simply shows pictures of fried chicken. :D