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Cue 2012-03-28 22:28
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
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Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1185327)
You might be on to something there. These sales people are very likely to have the latest iPhones and super-droids, some may have been given to them by droid & apple promotions likewise.

They may have already invested a fair wad of $$$ in their chosen app market and with every free promo device or upgrade can take their apps with them. So Nokia/MS might see even more reluctant salesmen than expected as they would not want to re-purchase what little they can from the MS market.
I wouldn't be surprised if MS start to pay commission to employees for WP sales. It makes sense.

danramos 2012-03-29 05:46
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
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Originally Posted by Ashbeck (Post 1185067)
so in a summary Microsoft looked like Nokia's only hope, because Nokia can make demands, On the Android Os it's do as i say by Google.

So modifications that Nokia can add in the Windows phone 7 Os, they cannot add in the Android Os,
Ummm.. no. :) First, the Google route gives WIIIIDE room for customization despite Google's insisting on a pure Google experience (i.e. Amazon Kindle Fire, Nook Color, etc.). I can't see how the story, as you tell it, is true. Second, Microsoft made SPECIFIC and very firm demands for specifications that Nokia STILL has to adhere to despite the wiggle room Nokia is being given. This HAS been talked about quite a bit already.

So my question still stands unanswered: What map reasons?

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Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1185345)
I wouldn't be surprised if MS start to pay commission to employees for WP sales. It makes sense.
As long as they don't try that little trick that backfired in the Zune era---you know the one where they held a press conference with LOTS of reporters and they released the all-new ZUNE HD... and they held a promotional at the event where anyone was invited to turn in their Apple iPods/iPhones/etc in return for a brand new Microsoft Zune HD... And NOBODY (literally) turned in their iDevices for a Zune. heheh.. it was a HORRIBLE backfire for Microsoft at a press event, no less.

Ashbeck 2012-03-29 08:15
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Ummm.. no. :) First, the Google route gives WIIIIDE room for customization despite Google's insisting on a pure Google experience (i.e. Amazon Kindle Fire, Nook Color, etc.). I can't see how the story, as you tell it, is true. Second, Microsoft made SPECIFIC and very firm demands for specifications that Nokia STILL has to adhere to despite the wiggle room Nokia is being given. This HAS been talked about quite a bit already.
> Well if you think i'm making it up, Go read the press release for yourself. I can't be bother at the moment to go look for them.

Nokia is allowed By Microsoft, To make changes to the CORE Windows phone platform(where allowed) [Notice i said changes, and not customization] ,Nokia is helping to build and innovate, what Windows phone grows into, Not Skins, and not only for nokia devices, But for the whole, Windows phone experience.

> Specs and Innovations are two different things, I'm not windows fan boy, Not android fanboy, Not Meego fan boy, So i'm being objective, You need to see things from different point of views, Yes you like android, Yes google says android is Open source, but at it's CORE, it is not.

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So my question still stands unanswered: What map reasons?
I cannot remember why but Maps play a big part of it, think it has to be with companies paying royalties for map useage one of the reasons.

> But you might say, this is a small price to pay No, Not in the eyes of nokia, For Ex (Every-time i say Ex. i mean Example)
OK for Ex. Nokia Paid. 8.1 Billion for Navteq, and provide free off-line maps, which has been improved and refined(this is their biggest selling points), Google maps is a lose of investment..

Task: Find out how Google makes money off Google maps....

> But then you might say, what about Bing maps then?

Task: Find out who supplies Bing maps.

This is for the same reason Apple stopped using Gmaps for iphoto on iOs

danramos 2012-03-29 17:39
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashbeck (Post 1185494)
> Well if you think i'm making it up, Go read the press release for yourself. I can't be bother at the moment to go look for them.

Nokia is allowed By Microsoft, To make changes to the CORE Windows phone platform(where allowed) [Notice i said changes, and not customization] ,Nokia is helping to build and innovate, what Windows phone grows into, Not Skins, and not only for nokia devices, But for the whole, Windows phone experience.

> Specs and Innovations are two different things, I'm not windows fan boy, Not android fanboy, Not Meego fan boy, So i'm being objective, You need to see things from different point of views, Yes you like android, Yes google says android is Open source, but at it's CORE, it is not.
I can't be bothered finding a press release to cite your own point. For my part, you do realize I pointed out two platforms (Amazon Kindle and Nook Color) where changes (synonymous with customization) in Android were made at the CORE of the operating system (i.e. not just the skins), right? I think I provided a sufficiently lucent explanation of that and your language semantics danced around addressing the clear question I asked given the points I've made. I'm not sure that the openness of Android's operating system (even at its CORE... which, near as I can tell is open enough for Kindle/Nook/CyanogenMOD/etc) was ever brought up as a tangible point of this question about why Nokia wouldn't want to put what you seem to claim is such an excellent mapping program out onto other platforms such as Android. Your claim to objectivity is in question, considering the way you've skirted the question and provided clearly and provably incorrect argument back to a simple question: what mapping issue?

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Originally Posted by Ashbeck (Post 1185494)
I cannot remember why but Maps play a big part of it, think it has to be with companies paying royalties for map useage one of the reasons.

> But you might say, this is a small price to pay No, Not in the eyes of nokia, For Ex (Every-time i say Ex. i mean Example)
OK for Ex. Nokia Paid. 8.1 Billion for Navteq, and provide free off-line maps, which has been improved and refined(this is their biggest selling points), Google maps is a lose of investment..

Task: Find out how Google makes money off Google maps....

> But then you might say, what about Bing maps then?

Task: Find out who supplies Bing maps.

This is for the same reason Apple stopped using Gmaps for iphoto on iOs
Aren't you proving here why Nokia Maps should be on MORE platforms, like Android, not less? I'm still not sure you understand your own point.

ibrakalifa 2012-03-29 18:16
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enema of the state dude, :D

Ashbeck 2012-03-29 19:09
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1185668)
I can't be bothered finding a press release to cite your own point. For my part, you do realize I pointed out two platforms (Amazon Kindle and Nook Color) where changes (synonymous with customization) in Android were made at the CORE of the operating system (i.e. not just the skins), right? I think I provided a sufficiently lucent explanation of that and your language semantics danced around addressing the clear question I asked given the points I've made. I'm not sure that the openness of Android's operating system (even at its CORE... which, near as I can tell is open enough for Kindle/Nook/CyanogenMOD/etc) was ever brought up as a tangible point of this question about why Nokia wouldn't want to put what you seem to claim is such an excellent mapping program out onto other platforms such as Android. Your claim to objectivity is in question, considering the way you've skirted the question and provided clearly and provably incorrect argument back to a simple question: what mapping issue?



Aren't you proving here why Nokia Maps should be on MORE platforms, like Android, not less? I'm still not sure you understand your own point.
Ok im not going to talk about it anymore because you seek to see things from a subjective point. at first i was a bit angry elop. But i had to read and understand from a objective point. You don't understand because you don't want to. Example. Here are a few questions to think about

Kindle, Ask yourself a few questions, Does the changes on Kindle affect the whole of android as a whole? Or just Kindle?
Please read again, And read the Press Release put out by Nokia and Microsoft.

Why did nokia not Go with Android, the Answer was given by Elop himself.


You don't have to respond, frankly I'm getting bored of this topic. As an end user the market share of nokia, Microsoft or Google is not important to me.

Read the press releases from Nokia and Microsoft and you will understand.

I explained the Mapping Issue so many times, If you don't understand that is OK, I explained the Mapping issue as ONE of the issues. If you don't understand a point there is no need for suggesting peoples argument is wrong, But Everyone is entitled to an Opinion.

Sometimes Silence is best... And so i will be..

Cue 2012-03-29 19:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1185668)
Your claim to objectivity is in question, considering the way you've skirted the question and provided clearly and provably incorrect argument back to a simple question: what mapping issue?
I think he answered your question already. Bing maps isn't a competitor to Nokias map services. Bing maps are "powered" by Nokia
http://searchengineland.com/nokia-no...ng-maps-108598

Nokia found a business partner in MS because MS needed Nokia, Google didn't, so Google clearly weren't ready to pay Nokia to replace their own successful Google maps. MS was. The real question is why didn't they develop both Android as well as WP7 devices? Probably part of the agreement not to and it probably made sense as a bargaining chip not to promote a competitors OS.

What confuses me is why they plan to become more about devices and maps and abandoned their OS and services sector so badly when Nokia themselves were talking about how ecosystems are more important than manufacturing devices. What is also contradictory is Elops memo about the inability of keeping up with the latest hardware then choosing WP. Clearly we will never get what their plans are because they will never discuss it openly.

Ashbeck 2012-03-29 19:58
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Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1185716)
I think he answered your question already. Bing maps isn't a competitor to Nokias map services. Bing maps are "powered" by Nokia
http://searchengineland.com/nokia-no...ng-maps-108598

The real question is why didn't they develop both Android as well as WP7 devices?
According to the Press release for Microsoft.

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•Nokia would adopt Windows Phone as its principal smartphone strategy, innovating on top of the platform in areas such as imaging, where Nokia is a market leader.

•Nokia would help drive the future of Windows Phone. Nokia would contribute its expertise on hardware design, language support, and help bring Windows Phone to a larger range of price points, market segments and geographies.
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What confuses me is why they plan to become more about devices and maps and abandoned their OS and services sector so badly when Nokia themselves were talking about how ecosystems are more important than manufacturing devices. What is also contradictory is Elops memo about the inability of keeping up with the latest hardware then choosing WP. Clearly we will never get what their plans are because they will never discuss it openly.
According to Elop, Androids problem is their fragmentation. So he says, To be honest, I'm getting tired of this whole Nokia story, because Nokia is a grown up company, and the Boards can make wise decisions.

Nokia is Nostalgic, and conservative this is what i have been trying to explain, But i am not very good at Explaining things, Blame the Msn and blackberry.

Cue 2012-03-29 20:27
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Originally Posted by Ashbeck (Post 1185746)
According to Elop, Androids problem is their fragmentation. So he says, To be honest, I'm getting tired of this whole Nokia story, because Nokia is a grown up company, and the Boards can make wise decisions.
If what you say is true then Elop is a fool and the board is not as wise as you think. As a device manufacturer you would have to be on something really strong to talk both about fragmentation and device differentiation at the same time, it doesn't make any sense. Unless Nokia plan to be the only WP7 manufacturer. I don't think the board is as wise as you think they are unless they have some undisclosed grand master plan because every press release so far has been contradictory and quite frankly stupid.

Zoxir 2012-03-29 20:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashbeck (Post 1185746)
According to the Press release for Microsoft.





According to Elop, Androids problem is their fragmentation. So he says, To be honest, I'm getting tired of this whole Nokia story, because Nokia is a grown up company, and the Boards can make wise decisions.

Nokia is Nostalgic, and conservative this is what i have been trying to explain, But i am not very good at Explaining things, Blame the Msn and blackberry.

Fragmentation is not a problem IMO the most successful OS on the planet has been so successful due to fragmentation and that is windows. You can have windows XP on a shitty PC or Win 7 on a brand new, no problemo Microsoft encourages fragmentation by supporting XP until 2015, thats 14 years. Even if it was a problem fragmentation is not caused by Google but by the manufacturers which means that Nokia could make as many android phones they wanted and give them as many updates as the wanted new android versions are popping out every 6-7 months.


And you mentioned that being able to change the core of WP(their ability to do that has not been proven yet and remains just elops words which at this point aren't really trustworthy) is a plus for Nokia. So Nokia engineers work on WP to make it better and spends RD money on it so Samsung and HTC can get it for free. That seems like a lovely deal.

Ashbeck 2012-03-29 20:45
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Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1185763)
If what you say is true then Elop is a fool and the board is not as wise as you think. As a device manufacturer you would have to be on something really strong to talk both about fragmentation and device differentiation at the same time, it doesn't make any sense. Unless Nokia plan to be the only WP7 manufacturer. I don't think the board is as wise as you think they are unless they have some undisclosed grand master plan because every press release so far has been contradictory and quite frankly stupid.
Elop says Nokia doesn’t want fragmentation in Windows Phone, because Android has problems with it. Quad-core phones don’t impress him
http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/01/1...t-impress-him/

To be honest, I'm not going to lie, I could just be Plain stupid, (And if i am, i'm not scared to say so) I read through the list, and if you love money? What Ms is offering seems to good to be true.

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In terms of (Windows Phone) doesn’t allow for the Sense UI or whatever, I would suggest that one of the biggest challenges facing that particular ecosystem is the fact that there is more and more of that going on. And when I go into the store and look at what that brand was supposed to stand for, I’m not quite seeing it — it’s just unclear what the standard is for the user experience.Stephen ElopNokia
http://androidandme.com/2011/10/news...oids-downfall/

> Nokia is conservative and Nostalgic, thus the reason Elop saw Moneys in Microsoft, Because Microsoft is Conservative and Nostalgic. As for nokia, they cannot use Android because of this Nostalgia.

Anyways

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“We don’t want fragmentation being introduced into Windows Phone because we are beginning to see how in a certain other eco-system that fragmentation becomes a problem.”-steven Elop

“You don’t need a quad-core phone unless you want to keep your hands warm in your pocket. We’re believers in the experience so, fine you have this camera density and you have that camera density. Let’s put the pictures side-by-side and we’ll show which ones are better.”

gerbick 2012-03-29 21:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashbeck (Post 1185746)
According to Elop, Androids problem is their fragmentation. So he says...
It's ironic that Nokia went with Microsoft Windows Phone 7 that makes everybody do the same thing, yet it was announced that Nokia could adjust and modify as they see fit.

Which would mean some form of fragmentation, only at a much lesser extent. It's still fragmentation.

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Nokia is Nostalgic, and conservative this is what i have been trying to explain, But i am not very good at Explaining things, Blame the Msn and blackberry.
Nokia's heyday is nostalgic. They're in survival mode now. Innovation has largely gone away - camera's only so far going forward post-MeeGo/N9 release - and ultimately you're arguing about something that makes very little sense.

Nokia now does not equate to Nokia then. In fact, Nokia now is still trying to figure out what Nokia will do next. It's WP7 now, but Apollo (WP8) looks to be what they will have to do in order to be competitive in tablets (Win8) and phones (WP8).

Meanwhile, Lumia 900 was delayed, it's not yet released and once released who knows what it will do. Subsidized at 99 bucks, I might get one. At $449, it's cheaper than I paid for the N9.

I didn't say better. I said cheaper.

The CEO can blame anything he wants. But as it stands, most people are no more enthusiastic about WP7 now than they were before it came out. Only a very small set of people seem to care.

Sadly, same thing can be said about the N9. Only a very small set of people seem to care.

misterc 2012-03-30 04:40
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Nokia Has Two Low-End MeeGo Phones Coming

maybe a way to tell Flop
«hey man, time for you to leave...»
:D :cool:

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1185807)
[...]

Nokia's heyday is nostalgic. They're in survival mode now. Innovation has largely gone away - [...]

[...]
beg to differ
just because you equate better with faster & more (RAM), doesn't mean that's what the masses want.
at the end of the day, ppl want a phone that works, last through the day (preferably even several days) and doesn't loose connection all the time.

the camera is the cherry on the cake...

just because a SGS (2?) is the most sold ANDroid device (is it?) doesn't mean that's what makes or breaks a phone maker;
SAMSUNG (they make the SGS whatever, right?) haven't become the biggest smart phone manufacturer because of whatever device but because they sell tens (or even hundreds?) of millions of simple (ANDroid & Bada) devices
Apple is the only company that does one fits them all device
and even they stopped that, as they still sell older models to "cheaper" minded customers

gerbick 2012-03-30 05:41
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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1185890)
beg to differ
Feel free. But innovation isn't becoming a "me too" company like they currently are becoming. Sadly that's what we're seeing.

Where they had innovation, it's gone for the most part. And I'd love to be wrong.

Where do you see innovation now within Nokia? Magnetic tattoos?

C'mon dawg... </Randy Jackson>

danramos 2012-03-30 06:38
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1185902)
Feel free. But innovation isn't becoming a "me too" company like they currently are becoming. Sadly that's what we're seeing.

Where they had innovation, it's gone for the most part. And I'd love to be wrong.

Where do you see innovation now within Nokia? Magnetic tattoos?

C'mon dawg... </Randy Jackson>
Well, they did manage to evolve and improve the EPIC FAIL to a whole new level. That's right folks, we've now seen Nokia create the all-new...

ibrakalifa 2012-03-30 06:41
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htc has it too now

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_enables_...-news-4035.php

danramos 2012-03-30 06:46
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Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1185924)
They're not the first to have offline nav on Android, though. Google Maps does that too, now. I've tried it and it works fine. Other third-party mapping programs have been doing it as well--including the N900 favorite "Sygic" on Android (http://www.sygic.com/). Which still makes me question Nokia's intelligence for not putting their (albeit increasingly poor, in my opinion) mapping software onto Android so they can at LEAST recoup SOME of their losses.

EDIT: Ah my bad--I saw the headline and read briefly before realizing it was a Windows Phone only mappnig app from HTC. Is it really the only other offline mapping app for Windows Phone? Heh... wow.

ibrakalifa 2012-03-30 06:52
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so nokia had to be a manufacturer for lowend devices? poor innovation, lost their pride and 2years behind hardware, duh, w8?, meeeh, why its look so special then, its M$ product right?

SamGan 2012-03-30 07:34
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Nokia innovation? They can innovate on the casing for WP now. That's what left of Nokia innovation.

danramos 2012-03-30 07:50
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Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1185939)
Nokia innovation? They can innovate on the casing for WP now. That's what left of Nokia innovation.
Innovative enough to prevent you from being able to replace the battery easily. Still, didn't Apple already pioneer that long ago?

Zoxir 2012-03-30 14:13
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Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1185939)
Nokia innovation? They can innovate on the casing for WP now. That's what left of Nokia innovation.
Guys please think before posting. If nokia ceases Wp then who would we laugh at????

danramos 2012-03-31 08:12
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Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1186077)
Guys please think before posting. If nokia ceases Wp then who would we laugh at????
Please--think of the children.

balisingh 2012-04-05 00:10
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Maybe Elop should blame the reviewers.
Walter Mossberg the oldest tech guy ever must have stock in Apple because he can't recommend LUMIA over IPhone because it has lower resolution and Seemingly Lower Quality camera And Unexplained browsing Hitch On wifi. Never to mention the 4g lte superiority at only 99. online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304023504577321743416375030.html?m od=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop

Rugoz 2012-04-05 01:24
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Meanwhile there is the htc one x with quad core and 4.7" 720p screen at the same size. It looks pretty neat too.

Neither the limited windows phone software nor the hardware are adequate for the typical high-end user.

Lumiaman 2012-04-05 02:02
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An interesting article in ny times for those who have not seen it:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/04/05...-microsoft.xml

I think the partnership will work.

Zoxir 2012-04-05 02:15
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1188210)
An interesting article in ny times for those who have not seen it:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/04/05...-microsoft.xml

I think the partnership will work.
Just as the reasons why the partnership will work the page can't be found.

Lumiaman 2012-04-05 02:18
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oopsss.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/te...ref=technology

danramos 2012-04-05 02:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1188210)
An interesting article in ny times for those who have not seen it:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/04/05...-microsoft.xml

I think the partnership will work.
Um... what article? Also.. heh.. I reeeally don't think it's a partnership that will work.

Edit: Aaaand URL to article is posted. You'll note that he's rooting for them just for the sake of them being underdogs--not because there's any real merit to anyone claiming it'll be a success. There's nothing about this that looks positive, really. A losing platform and a losing hardware producer... with a losing combination and a formula that lacks an ounce of what competitors have successfully executed already long ago and are doing far easier, cheaper and better today.

Lumiaman 2012-04-05 02:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1188217)
Um... what article? Also.. heh.. I reeeally don't think it's a partnership that will work.

Edit: Aaaand URL to article is posted. You'll note that he's rooting for them just for the sake of them being underdogs--not because there's any real merit to anyone claiming it'll be a success. There's nothing about this that looks positive, really. A losing platform and a losing hardware producer... with a losing combination and a formula that lacks an ounce of what competitors have successfully executed already long ago and are doing far easier, cheaper and better today.
Actually the article is quite nice, and I dont think that MS and NOKIA are betting on LUmia 900 as much as they are betting on W8. Lumia900 is a smooth phone. Have you tried any of the lumia phones? Not bad at all, but yes, they do lack some of the features that everyone expects. The evolution is going in the right direction for MS and NOKIA. Negativity doesnt help anyone

gerbick 2012-04-05 02:58
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1188218)
Actually the article is quite nice, and I dont think that MS and NOKIA are betting on LUmia 900 as much as they are betting on W8. Lumia900 is a smooth phone. Have you tried any of the lumia phones? Not bad at all, but yes, they do lack some of the features that everyone expects. The evolution is going in the right direction for MS and NOKIA. Negativity doesnt help anyone
My issue(s) with WP7 - limited resolution. 4.3 inch screens should not be limited to 800 x 480 in 2012.

And yes... they're banking on Lumia 900 making some noise in the US, the continued expansion of WP7 into new territories and hopefully that will bode well of the upcoming WP8 updates and how that's going to hopefully equate to PC, tablet and handset sales.

I'm not a believer yet.

Cue 2012-04-05 03:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1188218)
Actually the article is quite nice, and I dont think that MS and NOKIA are betting on LUmia 900 as much as they are betting on W8. Lumia900 is a smooth phone. Have you tried any of the lumia phones? Not bad at all, but yes, they do lack some of the features that everyone expects. The evolution is going in the right direction for MS and NOKIA. Negativity doesnt help anyone
For the love of god can Nokia and more specifically WP advocates please stop with the grandiose delusions of the uncertain future. I've read it all now, "wait for Nokia", "wait for advertising", "wait for carrier backing", "wait for 7.5 (mango)", and now "wait for 8.0". I agree that negativity doesn't help anyone but neither does blind optimism. yes I do think it's blind optimism because I see no evidence or reason why 8.0 will not lack things the same as 7.5 and 7.0 before it. It just seems to be continuously moving the goalpost every time, in a bid to stay relevant.

gerbick 2012-04-05 04:44
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While I get your statement... I felt the same way with Maemo 5 and Harmattan.

We all pick and choose our battles. And honestly it will continue to happen. WP7 though... I like it. But not enough to root for it. I like Harmattan enough to root for it, but feel like Nokia just isn't listening.

ibrakalifa 2012-04-05 06:47
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nokia is dumb. Theyre deaf and blind. :(

JethroSang 2012-04-05 08:36
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Is it safe to say the Nokia board should vote to fire their CEO? Or maybe all the issues should be written in Finnish so that Nokia will understand?

Etchelon 2012-04-05 09:21
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I think Nokia must not ditch WP7 now, they will lose even more credibility. They will never adopt Android (and obviously iOS) so atm WP7 is the only major OS they have left. It's getting better and the fantastic design of the Lumias is helping.
Symbian is not an option anymore, despite it being the most complete OS feature wise and new updates which are taking it back to a good level. In people's minds Symbian is a dead walking, noone will like it even if it's actually good.
I think they should stick to WP7 waiting for their next "billion dollar strategy", apparently centered around Qt 5, to become operative and just then maybe ditch WP7 if sales will still be low.

danramos 2012-04-05 09:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1188218)
Actually the article is quite nice, and I dont think that MS and NOKIA are betting on LUmia 900 as much as they are betting on W8. Lumia900 is a smooth phone. Have you tried any of the lumia phones? Not bad at all, but yes, they do lack some of the features that everyone expects. The evolution is going in the right direction for MS and NOKIA. Negativity doesnt help anyone

Nokia is doing miserably and has only been accelerating it's failures lately. Nokia has combined forced with a platform that has been doing miserably and has only been accelerating its failures lately. They're the two worst tastes that go even worse together. :) This is what you get when you fire all the smart engineers and innovators with good ideas and designs but disagree with the executives and business people. Naivete doesn't help anyone either. Has nobody learned the lessons of Circuit City (i.e. they fired all their highest-paid, best salespeople... a few months of incredibly poor sales later, they went bankrupt and closed all their stores). heh

Lumiaman 2012-04-05 09:47
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1188317)
Nokia is doing miserably and has only been accelerating it's failures lately. Nokia has combined forced with a platform that has been doing miserably and has only been accelerating its failures lately. They're the two worst tastes that go even worse together. :) This is what you get when you fire all the smart engineers and innovators with good ideas and designs but disagree with the executives and business people. Naivete doesn't help anyone either. Has nobody learned the lessons of Circuit City (i.e. they fired all their highest-paid, best salespeople... a few months of incredibly poor sales later, they went bankrupt and closed all their stores). heh
i think you need to look yourself hard in the mirror, and ask yourself, where is all this hate coming from? I do feel sorry for you.

patlak 2012-04-05 09:51
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
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Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1188225)
For the love of god can Nokia and more specifically WP advocates please stop with the grandiose delusions of the uncertain future. I've read it all now, "wait for Nokia", "wait for advertising", "wait for carrier backing", "wait for 7.5 (mango)", and now "wait for 8.0". I agree that negativity doesn't help anyone but neither does blind optimism. yes I do think it's blind optimism because I see no evidence or reason why 8.0 will not lack things the same as 7.5 and 7.0 before it. It just seem to be continously moving the goalpost every time, in a bid to stay relevant.
WP 7.5 is step 4 out of fi......infinity :)

patlak 2012-04-05 09:54
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
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Originally Posted by JethroSang (Post 1188292)
Is it safe to say the Nokia board should vote to fire their CEO? Or maybe all the issues should be written in Finnish so that Nokia will understand?
I think the Board should vote to fire Elop and Elop should vote to fire the Board. Let's have a war dammit.

patlak 2012-04-05 10:07
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
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Originally Posted by Etchelon (Post 1188313)
I think Nokia must not ditch WP7 now, they will lose even more credibility. They will never adopt Android (and obviously iOS) so atm WP7 is the only major OS they have left. It's getting better and the fantastic design of the Lumias is helping.
Symbian is not an option anymore, despite it being the most complete OS feature wise and new updates which are taking it back to a good level. In people's minds Symbian is a dead walking, noone will like it even if it's actually good.
I think they should stick to WP7 waiting for their next "billion dollar strategy", apparently centered around Qt 5, to become operative and just then maybe ditch WP7 if sales will still be low.
WP ------ major, YOU SURE?

Symbian Belle FP1 is working pretty much flawless. Nokia could just slap a different name on it and get it over with. Maemo is ready and wanted by many people. Maemo 5 with the inclusion of swype for tablets and Maemo 6 i.e. MeeGo Harmattan for phones. Unified ecosystem with Qt and Ovi services and there would be no fragmentation. Additionally, slap PureView on all those new devices.
They are idiots continuing with WP. They are punching a dead horse. If Nokia does this and apologizes in ads ("finally Harmattan for all") to consumers by making them wait so long for what THEY actually wanted, they'd be golden.

A bit of a Spanish soap opera I know, but it'd work in an ad :)


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