Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

Perhaps I'm just guilty of PWG (posting while grumpy) again. But man, one thing that history tells us is that making positions of power a thankless job just ensures that people of quality stay far, far away from them. Honestly, if there are people in this community who are deserving of rewards, why should we try and keep them away from serving on the Council?

It's true, I probably haven't been keeping up with events here as thoroughly as I should. But I've gotta say, the message I'm hearing here is that service on the committee here is of less value than an N950. And that members here are watching your every move, and will pounce if they see anything untoward in your actions.

You want to ensure that anyone who serves as a Council member gains absolutely nothing from their efforts? That it is, both figuratively and literally, a thankless job? Great then, I hope you'll be happy with the quality of folks who step up to serve.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

I advice to you read the whole thread of conversation (it is long) and see arguments from both sides.
But the main problem (which we would not argue about again) was that you can't participate in competition and judge at the same time.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

I clearly didnt deserve a device ...
But please keep this thread on topic

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

I was a council member; I received nothing for my duties. I did my duty originally with gusto, but got busy near the end but those guys really did not need my participation. What I did, I honestly enjoyed it... just wished my work schedule did not ramp up as it did.

But that's all history now. Support the current council is my advice.

Rehashing old stuff like Estel and that council getting N950's is old news. The fact that this project will invariably never deliver is the current grievance. Focus on that.

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Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

Which is precisely why I did not put my name in the hat. Even with two of the members being viable candidates (IMHO) for work done outside of council, the perception of impropriety was enough that I nearly withdrew from the process completely. In retrospect that's one of the two top regrets I have from my time as Council/Board; that I didn't stick to my guns on that issue and abstain from participating at all.

As for my predictions on this project, those were based on my knowledge of the person leading the project. The mentioned issue, and others, and his track record on doing / completing things "for the community" that weren't directly beneficial to him in some way. Leopards don't change their spots.

If it's any consolation, I'm sad that I was right; on this and so many other things. Over all I'm happy that things are where they are now, the community is in good hands from where I sit. But to know how well things could have gone, versus where there did... That's a large part of why I'm no longer really here.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

Without any com from Estel this thread and project is naturally (since it IS in a thread which IS a forum for discussion ) scrutinized and commented upon.... and rightly so.
Concern and / or upset is natural given.

I do believe (and have felt for a long time now) there is more to the issue which deepens the concern (at least for me that is...)
The most recent developments which have come to my attention strengthen my concern.

I'll explain.

Long time gone now...
what was it?
Spring of 2015 I think.
I mentioned that I was looking to find a member here who was / is a developer who would be interested in a n800 and n810 which I would donate and ship to...
Estel contacted me via private message... with interest.
Gave me his address...
and I shipped an n800 and n810 off to him a heartbeat later.
I made no mistake with the address.
Today I just received it in the mail.
It made it all the way there...
spent along time sitting in postal offices...
and then sent back
"Return to sender address unknown."
untampered ...unopened.


So ...yes ...
people who have put money into the project do have a right to concern and /or upset.

Concern over the silence out of the project ..
Upset that there is no timely conclusion to the project.
Upset that there is no product to date.
Upset that there has been no consistent communication.

But I (have said before ...and certainly even more now) do believe this upset should be tempered with a very large dose of concern for this fellow members welfare.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

Well, his last activity online was 22-08-2015. So, endsormean, I would say he is alright. Maybe he changed adress in the mean time?

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

Perhaps he did change his address ..
the parcel would have arrived to him no later than a month after he had given me his address...so I do find that odd.
Also most people have a change of address put in to route their mail to their new residence...
Perhaps it is avoidance.
I cannot discount that anymore than anyone else.
It just seems awfully abrupt a disappearance considering the projects last reported successes and the projects nearing completion.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

Call me a creep, but I found one of his relatives on facebook and asked if he's ok. It looks like he's alive and healthy, but as I understood it some serious private life issues kept him from engaging in any hobby activities.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

I don't call it anything but concern for a friend.
Thanks misiak.

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Glad to hear that somebody reached out. Sorry to hear how this has gone down and all without a word. Weird to hear that a device was returned and marked as such. Upset to see that absolutely no communication has occurred.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

As for the package: I suppose that either he changed address (and it's not common in here to let postal office know about that and redirect packages, so maybe he didn't do that) or it might get stuck in customs office - I had similar situation in the past with package from China (the package was kept in customs office for over a month without anyone notifying me and then returned to sender with a note similar to "recipient unknown/not found")... But I would rather say the former is more possible then the latter (however that's my personal oppinion).

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Understood. It was like that when I lived in Germany. But the lack of communication still persists. Moving doesn't mean that access to the Internet stops for 4 months - that's based on the last login here at TMO.

That lack of communication made it all too easy for the naysayers to be correct and decrease trust in any potential projects that start from this community.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

I hope all is well with Estel ..
and wish him a merry and hope for a speedy return to us all here.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

Hi,

any news? Or shall we close the topic? ... no update since ... 5 1/2 months?


peb

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

Estel:
Last Activity: 22nd Aug 2015 20:22

Guess there is yer answer :-) But you knew that anyway, didn't you :-)

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

So a dead project now..

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It's an R.K. special ..baby...

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...ll_14_blog.jpg


It is however ...understandable...that it is a closed project.
When one person is doing a given project that is so intensive from conception to end product...not only time is taken...(a great deal of time is needed when it is a small crew or one person...)
But compounding issues which ...being life changing ...can stall or stop a project dead in it's tracks.
Estel did good works here.
Did good on the project with what he had.
The stall and lack of movement on this project cannot be considered a blemish on his past work or record.
The project may be dead.
But it is hardly a failure.

I believe it to be rather a great success.

In the end he did manage to produce a proto
Although he wasn't / hasn't been able to produce in numbers to fulfill the orders placed (and I feel for those who pre-ordered ...)
Those who pre-ordered did ..in the end... fund an experiment worthwhile ...
One that proves the feasibility, possibility and success of small and one-man projects...

and frankly ...
considering the odds normally against a single individual succeeding in such a venture ..
proves that not only the perseverance and tenacity of maemoans to succeed goes beyond the norms...

But that this place is filled with a darn good pack of huge hearted B-tards.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

How to buy one?

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

You can't. None exist.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

Hahahaah
You are a funny guy EL_CID_CAMPEADOR...

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

Might as well close this thread and edit the first post with a warning that this project, the person attached to this project and all money that might have been invested is a lost cause.

And end it with another warning that this will not be opened unless definitive proof otherwise is produced.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

VERY sound proposition...
It has been a very very long time since there were any developments or even a proper timeline announced concerning the project.
As well the last update I had on the project leader ..he was dealing with real-world disruptive issues...
unfortunately we may never see him again due to them.
So ...
yes..
closing this thread until ...
there is a recommencement of the project by the project leader ...
or ....
someone willing to take over the project and see it through...
Is better than a very good suggestion.

I think it should be closed until such time as it recommences...

I second Gerbick's suggestion.

Re: [Pre-Pre-Pre Announce]Black Aluminium replacement body & backcover for N900
 

Done! If somebody could help to check the thread for any live links or information regarding transfer of funds towards this project, please notify me to delete them.