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Ok what is the difference between su and ssu, they both require root password ? :confused:

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Is the "Other half" working nicely for everyone?

I have not been able to use the First one or the snow white even for one single time! Every time I change them, it recognizes them and asks if I want to use/install it. I try this and always get some ambience error with the Store.

Yeas, the store it self work for me and I have rebooted the device.

Any hints?

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This happened to me few times yesterday, until it was able to load both OH's from the store. Since then, it's been of course OK since thy have been installed.

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It may be, NSA-backdoor is a precondition for having Skype. Isn't it part of the reasons why Microsoft bought the Skype in the first place (and Nokia phones)? (I think it is.)

Would be good, if the world finally would to start migrating from Skype to open standard based VOIP protocols, which would be encrypted also (ZRTP). If even Jolla gives in, there is no hope.

Start promoting your friends to use open SIP based phones. Then we even have a chance to get strongly encrypted VOIP-calls in some day.
http://code.google.com/p/csipsimple/

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ssu is tool to manage repositories. ar is short hand for addrepo.

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If I got you right, Jolla invented replaceable battery?

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If it works with Ubuntu, it can be a SELinux issue. See system messages (/var/log/messages and /var/log/secure) what happens when Jolla is connected with USB-cable to Fedora PC?
It surely is a security threat to auto mount anything through USB unless admin has allowed it.

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Yes. And the smiley at the end of the line did not serve any purpose. It is just there for the looks of it.

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ssu has nothing to do with su, it stands for seamless software update

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Lol. Reboots again. This reads more and more like N9. I guess Jolla can't really change their Nokia heritage.

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Bad news. I was afraid they didn't learn their lesson from N9 email: the worst email client in the history of smartphones. Nokia pedigree on display again.

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....In the meantime...

Let's see what Jolla can teach us :-)
Videos:
https://www.youtube.com/user/jollaofficial/videos

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Nice video's. Short and concise, it's great to see more of Jolla phone, I can't wait for mine to arrive :)

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I'm a bit worried - there's no mention of RSS integration so far, neither in the browser nor in the event screen. On the N9, RSS feeds is all I use the event screen for. (I totally refuse to take part in anti-internet-activity such as facebook or twitter)

What will I look at in the morning to get an overview of blogs and news sites I follow?

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Was hoping to get RSS and Calendar items in the event screen as well but I'm sure (hopes) this is just a matter of a few update rounds...

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I'm working on an RSS reader. It was rejected by harbour because of the new naming convention. I plan to fix and resubmit it this weekend.

will it be integrated into events screen? like on N9

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MMS is actually a really hard implementation. GSMA had all kinds of issues making it work initially - there was some considerable handholding with carriers and manufacturers.

Though, I will admit, there's a part of me that says "MMS is nothing more than phone formatted email." Wonder why "Email to Phone" isn't something platforms hadn't gone towards.

That said... Jolla seems to have the build fine, but the testing/QA not so fine. Wonder how that part of things was done.

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I still don't have a good idea of how to do it right. Flooding the screen with hundreds of entries is probably not the right thing to do. :)
Suggestions are welcome.

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Well never experienced this in a bad way on the N9.
We should be able to import from feedly? Or creat our own categories and then select whether we want to publish it to event screen or not.
Once the article is 'read' this should dissapear from event screen.

Sounds simple but most probably is not :-)

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I do have IM and Facebook enabled and there are about 50-70 contacts on the list but only 1-5 are online. I used Android application (dolphin browser).

I try that ssh when I get to home. Do I have to register as developer or do I only enable develop-mode and allow remote-ssh?

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Suggestions will come when I understand how the event screen is supposed to work on the Jolla phone. There seems to be a conceptual difference between Jolla and the N9.

(On the N9, simply pumping the headlines plus first n characters or so of selected feeds to the event screen in chronological order was a great solution and exactly what I needed. Worked better than most stand-alone RSS readers for me, mobile or desktop.)

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It's the IM, since I don't think it's push, so it's constantly connected to the internet. Or atleast that's how the N9 was.

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Here is a less biased review that I found from mainstream media:

http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/11/2...nds-on-preview

"Yes, it sounds very reminiscent of the Nokia N9, but in practice it's highly unintuitive and unwieldy to the point where the entire UI paradigm can be considered broken. Screen transitions and in-app animations go from left to right, inviting the user to swipe from right to left to go back, but that’s not how you’re supposed to do it. A notification pops down from the top of the screen, but if you try to swipe down to view it, you're liable to unintentionally close your current app, or more annoyingly, lock the entire phone. Then there's the fact that a swipe from the middle of the screen produces a different result than a swipe from the edge. It all adds up to a frustrating learning experience. The user is forced to adapt around the operating system rather than the other way around."

"In my time with the Jolla today, I've seen multiple apps crash and refuse to load, the onscreen keyboard also crashed and required a reboot, and there's a general slowness to activating apps that is not competitive with modern smartphone alternatives. That's to be expected from a beta software version, which is where Sailfish OS presently remains. Jolla says that it "wanted to get this as early as possible into customers' hands," and it'll be delivering regular updates to get full functionality rolled out.

One of the most glaring omissions from the shipping software is LTE support. The hardware's inside the phone — along with Bluetooth 4.0 and NFC, both of which are functional — but Jolla hasn't been able to get the software support done in time."


Hmmmmm.....

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You need to have enabled developer mode. To do that, you need to have a Jolla account on the device (as it needs to download packages, you also need one to use the store, get updates, etc)

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The dudes clearly been using Android for too long and way to reliant on the pull down bar. Also not sure if you or he understands what beta means.

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I beg to differ. At least N9 MfE implementation is more or less fine - and in any case orders of magnitude better than anything coming out of the box on Android devices. One on N900 was ok'ish also, except lack of policies support.

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Yes, the writer, Vlad, can really be taken less biased with his history. As less biased as you are.

I really couldn't get this: "Screen transitions and in-app animations go from left to right, inviting the user to swipe from right to left to go back, but that’s not how you’re supposed to do it. A notification pops down from the top of the screen, but if you try to swipe down to view it, you're liable to unintentionally close your current app, or more annoyingly, lock the entire phone."

I now have the phone in my hands, and just can't understand what he is writing in here. Also wondering whether this writer really have some serious problems upstairs. In the same article he tells how the notifications are accessed swiping up from the bottom and then in the next sentence he is wondering why he can't do it by swiping down from up.

Don't know now, maybe I should start to feel sorry for him also and not only for Lumiaman.

Hmmmmm....

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Its not just annoying, its a sign that memory management (browser engine) is failing somewhere. When devices started having that problem (my 1st gen iPad for example), that was in part because the pages were to heavy, but also because of the way pages were cached into memory (not compressed) and the expectation of the UX that you'd only want to view one tab at a time (testing/QA and preference thingy).

Little details like that tend to reveal a lot about the goal-setting aspects of the development processes. Not a knock, just a revelation.

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Dmesg indicates 8930AA.

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How about all the crashing he describes? Several people have mentioned it here too. That is unacceptable for a competitive OS, no matter how beta it is. To produce such a device just give it to developers, clearly not ready for prime time. N9 all over again. Based on these reviews, Jolla folks have NOT learned their lessons. Too bad. But this is not a good beginning. They had sooo much to prove and they put out an alpha device. Inexcusable.

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More or less fine? I hope you don't work for Jolla as such uncritical attitude will doom the company.

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Oh well, just bought my friends another Jolla (he had two from wednesday).

First impressions: W-O-W aaaawesooome

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Happy to have people like you and many persons commenting on the article living in this imperfect world.
Let's hope you guys would not buy this device for a long time. This gives Jolla and the buyers the chance to iron out every issue and enjoy the journey to make a good product even better.

Yes crashing and rebooting is not good but software updates will fix this. We bought this device because we believe in change, because we believe in supporting a company that wakes up every morning and starts coding and fixing those issues (+enabling new features) until late in the evening, not because they're getting paid to do this but because they share the same believe as their current buyers.

Don't forget;
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it."

Comparing to Android / iOS etc is not what interest us... I've here all the latest models from the key brands and you know what? I prefer to use an N9... Are the others bad? Not at all. Should I compare and start writing comments like this is DOA etc... No because it's easy to complain. And by doing so you feel good because there's a whole group of people backing you up.
But true innovators don't compare, they work today and dream about tomorrow and I truly hope Jolla will be one of them so we can enjoy this ride.

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This is true it seems. It really does reload the tab again when changing them. I also think that this is bad. In the N9 used to open several windows background and then just switch between them. This browser doesn't seem to handle this well

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Think: summary
On your feed screen it simply says:
[x] Updates since last refresh
[y] Unread

Click on the 1st line and it goes to a screen showing all the feeds with the latest read/unread at top
Click on the 2nd line and it goes to a screen just showing unread, with latest at the top

Give option for specific notifications from sites for those folks who like to pay attention to specific updates. That would look like
[x] Updates from Favorite Site

Hope that helps

EDIT; Let's get fun with it
App is open in multiscreen view
App shows number of new feeds or icon of latest updated feed item
Semi gesture to go to just that feed
Full gesture movement to see entire feed list

UX thinking is fun ain't it... guess I need to get a Jolla in hand to help out more than just writing words :p

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From The Verge article (written by Vlad):

"transitions and in-app animations go from left to right, inviting the user to swipe from right to left to go back, but that’s not how you’re supposed to do it. A notification pops down from the top of the screen, but if you try to swipe down to view it, you're liable to unintentionally close your current app, or more annoyingly, lock the entire phone."

I think he has pulling from outside the screen messed up with pulling from inside the screen. And maybe he was remembering N9 with the events feed, or even some other OS/UI. Anyways I think it's invalid to say the Ui's logic is unintuitive solely for the reasons he mentioned. For an UI to be intuitive it shoudn't be similar with other dominant UIs in the market but instead it should have clear and consistent logic in it's operations within all aspects of the UI. I think Vlad more or less got those two messed up and I think that as very unprofessional of him.

The crashing, yes it can happen now but hopefully there will be less of it when all the early "childhood" bugs will be fixed.

PS: Some good pictures depicting the logic of the UI (edge gestures only though):
http://www.jollausers.com/wp-content...stures-app.jpg
http://www.jollausers.com/wp-content...tures-home.jpg

Pictures from Jollausers

EDIT: All edge gestures (except swiping down) are transition gestures (to move between home/app/events) and all gestures starting inside the edge are in-app gestures afaik so it's very easy to be blame the UI if one doesn't know there's a difference. It seems Vlad might have not known the difference.

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Despite what he knows/doesn't know, or what's ingrained from the mainstream platforms that are usually reviewed, these are signs that there are aspects of the UX that will take some learning that aren't "a given" as much as those of us who might still rock a N9/50 would think. Even in this kind of a review, that means something about the UX works, and another aspect is actually not connecting cognitively.

Doesn't really matter whom you are, a new UX is hard to learn, and harder to program. There might be a need of a wizard that instructs on the movements when the device(s) are setup, so that there's less of that "oh how does this work." Yea, that feels like a step backwards for some of you, but that's how you ship a finished OS.

Being a beta doesn't divorce from the fact that the core character shouldn't come across better.

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After doing a reset and a fresh set up when I got back onto UK soil on Thursday am I have yet to have a crash or need to restart the device.

It is taking a fair pounding too as try out things. In contrast my 3 week old Android tablet requires constant re-booting and attention.

Regarding the review you posted from neutral observer, I too found the gestures quite difficult at first. Much of this is due to switching on a daily basis between android, Windows 7 and 8, N9 and N900. I still use all these devices and getting used to Sailfish took a good intensive 24hrs of usage.

However the phone of choice is already my Jolla. By contrast it took over a week before i wanted to pick up my N9 over my N900.

Now if only i could port sailfish onto my tablet.......

Multi tasking works even better on the Sailfish and opposed to N9/N900. I did a short vid on youtube video running in a minimised browser window along with people app tiles moving too :cool:

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If I'm not mistaken, the 'first use videos' showed there is a wizard, but probably a reviewer would get a device that's already set up.