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They've just updated the post with a short FAQ: https://blog.jolla.com/sony-xperia-project-update/

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I repeat my question, would Jolla be breaching any law if they provide official support to Community Ports. If yes, would paying money, say some kind of fees make it legal??

If they have to pay to Myriad to get license, can Jolla also ask for an upgrade to the latest android version, for a higher fee, of course!!

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Yeah, android 4 vm nowadays should be free as almost obsolete.

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Without actually knowing anything at all about the situation, as someone already mentioned, what you would be (probably) paying for is:

• automated installer
• support service (OS updates) by Jolla
• licensed packages like Alien Dalvik, Nokia Maps, etc (maybe some codecs, exfat support?)

One example: A Linux distribution that sells an "upgraded" version of itself and the packages are gpl: https://zorinos.com/download/

EDIT: Seems Zorin "Ultimate" requires donation to download. So there's a "difference" :rolleyes:
Maybe more apt comparison would be Red Hat?

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Most of the time, I carry around my OnePlus X running SFOS. It's within ~1 mm of the published dimensions of the Xperia X, which I find to be about the maximum size I can comfortably carry around without adjusting my wardrobe to accommodate my phone. I tried the OnePlus One, but that extra diagonal half-inch of screen size made it too large for many of my pockets. The big screen is nice with my arms getting a little shorter every year (or maybe it's my eyes), but it doesn't do me any good if I have to leave it at home.

So I'm gonna carefully consider an Xperia X with SFOS if it happens. It's not that much better than the OnePlus X, but US network compatibility is more complete. The better camera would be a plus, too, if its capabilities were fully supported in the SFOS version.

The N9 size was really nice. And without the need for hardware buttons below the screen, it seems a little bigger than it is. I estimate that both Xs could be a centimeter shorter if those weren't needed, but you've got to have them in a phone designed for android, right?

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IIRC predictive text input is also licensed from someone.

RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux) is actually also 100% open source (which is one of the reasons CentOS exists). What you are actually paying with the subscription is:

• access to support (both the "stuff doesn't work" and "it would be really nice if you could add feature X" kind)
• access to updates & security fixes
• API stability guarantees
• software certifications
• long term (10+) support for major version releases
• making sure the company that makes your OS can both maintain and improve it

I wonder if something like this could improve the current information in the field of mobile devices and their operating systems. The current situation basically motivates device manufacturers and OS vendors to make people buy a new device regularly, as they only ever get money from people when they buy a new device (discounting some provisions from adds and paid app sales in app stores). So they don't release updates after a while - including critical security updates, release updates that make perform badly on older devices, etc.

With a subscription model both hardware manufacturers and OS vendors would have an incentive to not drop support as long as enough people with a given piece of hardware are subscribed.

Still the question is if enough people would be willing to accept paying for an ongoing OS subscription given that they are used to the current model where you get the OS for "free".

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Never owned a N9, but have seen Nokia Lumia 800 used by a friend.. The size that I would always go for if I had an option!!

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From updated blog post;

Sadly, i dont want Alien Dalvik, which is probably expensive. And seems to be part of a complete deal.
Was hoping that an option would be to pay for the "basic" OS

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This thread makes me sad.

A few years ago and this sort of announcement would have seen 50 pages in a day or two easy. Now barely anyone even cares and a lot of the comments are negative.

If people don't like a paid for release of Sailfish, that's fine because you can pick your poison, Google or Apple. These two control 99.8% of the smartphone market today.

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jolla is supporting single sim x device,,,,what a bummer. intex aqua fish is already useless to people in India beacause it doesnot supports VOLTE , there are sim issues, network issues, reboot issues, browser issues and most Indians buy dual sim device so i highly doubt that Indians will buy or support this. kudos to geeks and gurus for supporting this incomplete OS. even i am supporting jolla because i am using fish as a primary device ( i am broke as hell).

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Official phone model etc, from Jolla, rather than guessing from the community.

Not really impressed about needing to purchase the operating system - but I've just purchased the phone.

If anyone in Sydney is looking for a brand new, in box, from retailer, jb Macquarie park has two more :)

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In my mind, this project is making a great progress and has an important impact. I am happy that Jolla does not get into distribution of devices. By picking up a device with the global availability, they nor us have to face logistical challenges with getting the devices.

Its also a 64-bit device. I don't know what's the current status of 64-bit devices now among ported devices, but getting SFOS ported to this architecture is a major success and we should not underestimate it. When done, it should open many current devices for all of us through the ports.

I do wonder if the port for Xperia X would be made available as a community port image / sources as well. That would allow for curious user to test SFOS before getting full version of it. If not, porters would probably know or would get help to get SFOS running on X Compact and other variants.

As for the pure ports, if you don't need Android stack, the current main problem is the absence of text prediction (jolla-xt9 is proprietary). So, would be great to get someone to work on it and get open-source solution for text predictions. Port from Ubuntu Touch, for example?

I was curious to find out that its Jolla which is porting Alien Dalvik. I thought that it was a service/product that they were buying in.

As for having to buy extra OS on the phone which came with one - that reminds me of the Windows tax. Don't think that we should blame Jolla for it (I don't remember Debian/RedHat to be cursed for Windows tax either). Let's consider the current solution as the best we can get at present with the global availability of the phones. Its much better than to smuggle phones from India without proper certification.

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Check out OKboard if you haven't already - continuous input /predictive keyboard for Sailfish that is fully open. I can't remember whether it does predictions for normal typing (I think it currently uses xt9 for that) but it clearly could, because it does its own predictions for continuous input. That's something open versions of Android are missing BTW - if you want CI on Android you have to use something like Swype or Swiftkey.

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Also, this might be useful for people planning to buy an Xperia X (price tracking on Amazon):

https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Sony-...uct/B01ECV0Y58

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Is there a possibility to have a fully functionnal SFOS on the Xperia SP ?

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no.........

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Thanks for the info. Once the price goes even lower I want to buy 3, one for use, one for back up and (pink) one for my lady to opt-out from iphone (very unlikely though) :D

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Really?!!! Global AVAILABILITY??? What a joke!!

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Afraid not!! I checked on their site.

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which brings up the question about warranty. What if phone needs to go to the service and sailfish is flashed on it and there's no way to go back to android?

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AFAIK you have already breached terms of Sony Warranty by unlocking it's bootloader: https://developer.sonymobile.com/unl...urboot-loader/

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Yep, warranty is gone once you unlock bootloaders

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You pay for the OS either way. In cash. Or with your data. I prefer not paying with my data.

And about that warranty: Crivens, any Android device is outdated once i turn it off. Forget about that warranty.

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In my opinion you are spot on in many aspects and there is plenty of info in the blog which is great and a relief to hear.

* The 64bit is huge and will open a lot of doors, but definitely a huge task to undertake.

* The Alien Dalvik is a product by Myriad Group and they dependent on them to fix and follow their changes. Now seems/implied they took the code and they will port it to 64 bit. If this is true it means better integration in the future and better support on the known bugs - to be seen, but for sure huge news.

* An additional business model seems to be getting unfolded (?). It is not clear yet, but my take is that they will give for free the base flashable image to all and then charge for exchange, AD and such through the store.

I saw the Sony model a few days ago and it is a decent phone with a nice form factor. I will be very happy with it.
Also, I don't mind to pay for the OS or parts for it if my privacy is respected.

Overall it is great news for me. I hope they manage to have a good operational version in the next few months for us.

Edit: corrected wrong info that AD is from a Chinese company

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There's a way to backup de DRM keys in XDA Forum, before you unlock the bootloader. If want warranty back, flash stock Android rom, restore DRM keys and your warranty is back 😎

Enviado desde mi Xperia Z2 mediante Tapatalk

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Well, depends on what do you compare it to. Recently (since J1?), in EU, its rather difficult to get anything. Its surely not the most available phone these days though, but it looks to me a better deal than JC and Aqua (and INOI). I can get it locally (310-320EUR), its probably cheaper to order it from Germany, if there is a wish. How is it for you, no idea though.
But I would expect Sony to be presented globally, as an unlocked phone.

I do use OKboard, but had an impression it depends on xt9. However, as you say that it has its own prediction engine running, it probably is also a good place to look. I mentioned Ubuntu Touch since it should have the similar keyboard components as we do and it may be not too difficult to get it working on SFOS. Although, I don't know much about the keyboard layers.

In EU, we should be fine (see https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/...evices.en.html). Globally, not so much. After Brexit for UK, up to negotiations.

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Iam well aware of all of those options, I used to work with Xperia team way back (Xperia play was new then)
However, don’t be fooled, Sony knows you had your bootloader unlocked!
Not that I care lol

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May I ask where have you seen it is from a chinese company ?
Alien Dalvik has always been presented here as a product of Myriad, which seems to be a french/swiss company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myriad_Group

I'm not sure, if that was true, that Jolla could afford maintaining two OS's at a time : Sailfish on one hand, and the Android runtime on the other hand.

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Ring or visit any store, the website doesn't have the full stock availability listed.

Macquarie Park have two in stock

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That's debatable. AFAIK in EU law you still have warranty on the parts of the device that aren't affected / effected by the modification you make. If you manage to break e.g. the headset socket, that will most likely have no effect on the display, so the display is still under warranty. If you change the OS on your laptop, you will of course lose support on the OS, but if suddenly the keyboard stops working, even in BIOS, that would still be covered.

I reckon the same applies here. Swapping out the OS, also given that is an explicit option for these devices, should have no influence on the warranty on the hardware. You might lose factory warranty, but in EU law, the shop were you bought it is responsible for warranty anyway.

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Exactly, that is called the European Product Liability Act and it is more thorough than any manufacturer warranties.

In fact I think most cases fall down to that even when people mistakenly think they were covered by warranty.

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Sorry if I've missed it, but there are obviously hundreds of posts and I can't find out what's the latest.

With the XZs now added to open devices

A new series of phones, in particular a new compact phone

What is the real-world status of sailfish on Sony?
I haven't seen a single official press release nor news since the original announcement. This info will definitely impact what's my next device, ironically the new "Nokia" flagship should be announced soon.

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Faults present when you bought are covered for 2 years, however
First six months the manufacturer/shop carries the evidence part of proofing it was not faulty when you bought.
Last 18 months YOU carry the burden of proving it was faulty from when you bought.
It is, liability act, not a full warranty.

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From XDA

"The company does not want to force its users to use a custom recovery install updates."

Thats going to be interresting, wonder if they will manage to enable flashing on a locked bootloader...
Or, that will be a showstopper.

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Great progress by Jolla. I'm almost ready to buy Xperia X. I really hope they can find I way to get rid of the 8mp camera limitation in Sailfish Xperia X and unleash all 23mp. I want all the goodies I pay for :)

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I'd also be curious about app compatibility for any SFOS apps with binary components - will we as developers need to recompile everything for this device? What about apps like CuteSpot, which depends on a third-party library (libspotify) which might not be already compiled for ARM64?

I was working on a keyboard a while back; I should dust off that code and see what can be done with it.

I've been testing OKboard on Jolla and on OPX (third-party port without xt9). On the OPX it's pretty terrible; not just for the lack of predictions in normal typing, but because it tries to use xt9's predictions bar for its own predictions when swiping, meaning that without xt9 there are no predictions whatsoever. And no ability to correct a word; you have to swipe and hope you nailed it.

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Thanks, it is just my ignorance. The Chinese was for the production, i guess.
Will correct my previous post.

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I am on OPX as well and it has been a great motivator to get things working natively (without Android) and without proprietary add-ons.

Re executable arch: no idea, but we'll probably learn soon.

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I can't confirm the above - which version are you using? I get predictions in the bar without xt9 installed (see here).

Also I wouldn't describe it as "pretty terrible" - I was using it without xt9 on Fairphone 2, and found it to be useful. Then Eber42 added some fixes for different screen sizes, and it became even more useful with better predictions.