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Dave999 2016-05-02 19:36
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1504860)
I question how truly important any of this Jolla Tablet stuff is to you. After seeing the input from others, it seems as if the flaws that are inherent in most mobile operating systems are also in Sailfish. There's some workflow issues that need to be worked out, some hardware issues (ex. battery life for instance) that dint the overall experience and so forth. Simply stated, there's still more work to make the Jolla Tablet the best device in comparison to user goals, wants and needs.

Not having an imperfect device... does that really affect you in the same amount of protest you've displayed in this thread

That's my one true question for you. How to break out of being passive-aggressive? Heck if I know.
Damn it! And here I thought it was just to change the ? to !...

All tech are imperfect since they are built by the humans!
The refund/tablet is not important to me personally but it is important for my belief in a future for Jolla!

robthebold 2016-05-02 19:40
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jellyroll (Post 1504855)
American citizens should always be worried and a little bit paranoid aspecially when it comes taking a trip(no mushrooms) to the middle east.
Have you seen our murder rates here? I get a little bit paranoid just leaving my house. Or staying in it. Or presumably even hovering over it in my jetpack, which may the the only thing even more dangerous than other people.

But anyway, to keep this a little bit on topic: I've been watching PayPal closely, and have received neither Venezuelan drug money nor Finnish tablet refund. And certainly no Russian secret Sailfish payments. (Although as reported earlier, I got my German Diesel hush money in just a few weeks at about the same time I asked for the Jolla refund.)

Part of me will be a little disappointed when it comes. Then I'll no for sure no tablet for me. Right now, it's still Schrodinger's tablet, since I've neither received it nor the money. When the cash shows up, then my last teensy flames of hope will be extinguished.

Dave999 2016-05-02 20:34
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robthebold (Post 1504866)
Have you seen our murder rates here? I get a little bit paranoid just leaving my house. Or staying in it. Or presumably even hovering over it in my jetpack, which may the the only thing even more dangerous than other people.

But anyway, to keep this a little bit on topic: I've been watching PayPal closely, and have received neither Venezuelan drug money nor Finnish tablet refund. And certainly no Russian secret Sailfish payments. (Although as reported earlier, I got my German Diesel hush money in just a few weeks at about the same time I asked for the Jolla refund.)

Part of me will be a little disappointed when it comes. Then I'll no for sure no tablet for me. Right now, it's still Schrodinger's tablet, since I've neither received it nor the money. When the cash shows up, then my last teensy flames of hope will be extinguished.
Would you trade your gun for a jPad?

Wtf...you have a jet pack?

att 2016-05-02 21:12
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robthebold (Post 1504866)
Have you seen our murder rates here? I get a little bit paranoid just leaving my house. Or staying in it. Or presumably even hovering over it in my jetpack, which may the the only thing even more dangerous than other people.
Have you considered moving to a safer country, like Finland? ;)

gerbick 2016-05-02 21:32
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1504872)
Have you considered moving to a safer country, like Finland?
I would. Now, about the job situation there... who's hiring and willing to assist with relocation?

mscion 2016-05-02 21:39
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1504872)
Have you considered moving to a safer country, like Finland? ;)
Depending on the outcome of the presidential election, I'm giving some serious thought to moving to Europe. Besides having, presumably, a more intelligent leader and the fact that my Jolla phone would get much better data speeds in Europe are there any other advantages in moving to Europe?

jellyroll 2016-05-02 21:54
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1504875)
a more intelligent leader
The baddest political party leader in my european country is for sure, away much more intelligent then the populaire Donald Trunk. No insult! :D

gerbick 2016-05-02 21:58
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1504875)
...are there any other advantages in moving to Europe?
Quite a few. I'd just not consider taxes one of those advantages. Folks complain about 33% composite tax (federal and state) in the US. It's oft higher there. Also, gadgets tend to be higher there for the most part. Sure, some are cheaper, but it's those esoteric name brands that geeks love but replace often. Or something like that.

Faster Internet for the most part, better standard of living in most cases, friendlier people*, better beer**, better vacations and better warranties on stuff. I miss living overseas.

* France is excepted from this
** Beer is my real reason to continue living

jellyroll 2016-05-02 22:10
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Belgium, Dutch, German or UK beer = Okidoki

mscion 2016-05-02 22:45
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
So which country has the combination of lowest taxes, best data speeds, and best beer? Although, I guess if I drink enough beer data speeds won't matter so much at the time.

Bundyo 2016-05-03 04:29
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jellyroll (Post 1504879)
Belgium, Dutch, German or UK beer = Okidoki
Also Czech, yummy :)

Bundyo 2016-05-03 04:31
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1504881)
So which country has the combination of lowest taxes, best data speeds, and best beer? Although, I guess if I drink enough beer data speeds won't matter so much at the time.
I would have said Bulgaria, but our beer is just okay :) (though cheap - about 50 euro cents a bottle)

Pick your best:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe

ste-phan 2016-05-03 04:36
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1504875)
Depending on the outcome of the presidential election, I'm giving some serious thought to moving to Europe. Besides having, presumably, a more intelligent leader and the fact that my Jolla phone would get much better data speeds in Europe are there any other advantages in moving to Europe?
Leaders in (Western) Europe might be intelligent but they are answering mainly to their masters in the USA.
So prepare for disappointment after having made your statement of moving out of North America.
That said, no need to await the outcome of the elections to start packing. Unless all USA and satellite EU consucitizens stop purchasing from the usual catalogue and eating from the same old menu, all will remain business as usual.
There are plenty of old Nokia's to be found cheaply, you get to know many languages when you move a few 100 miles, food culture might be interesting if you are willing to explore, you could trace roots of Christian and Muslim and more ancient civilizations , you can learn to understand Russia from point of view of people who not been thought to hate it..
Depending on your choice of host country, you could enjoy the remainders of one of the most advanced social safety net structures ever set up in modern times and even help to maintain it.

tommo 2016-05-03 07:27
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 1504885)
I would have said Bulgaria, but our beer is just okay :) (though cheap - about 50 euro cents a bottle)

Pick your best:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe
Bulgaria is a great option! You have the beach, snowy mountains (with lapdancing bars) and cheap beer... sounds like a little piece of heaven! :D

eekkelund 2016-05-03 07:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Press release from Jolla:
Jolla secures new financing for Sailfish OS development and its licensing business

For me this last paragraph was the most interesting
Quote:
Something new cooking for the Sailfish OS community
As a new item in Jolla’s current plans is a very special program for all the Sailfish OS
developers and community members.
Dr. Saarnio comments: “We are soon announcing the program officially, but what I can say
already now is that it will include a special device related treat for our fans. I personally
can’t wait to announce it! Our team is tweaking the offering now – look out for the
announcement in a few weeks.”
And they are even talking about Turing

Quote:
Another new project for Jolla is with Turing Robotics Industries, with whom Jolla has made
a Sailfish OS licensing agreement and is developing the software for the upcoming Turing
smartphone.
Dr. Saarnio continues: “Sailfish OS is already running fast on the Turing phone, and we
are now working together to get all the needed software in place. We at Jolla believe that it
is possible to produce niche target group smart devices in Finland, as Turing is now
planning to do. Our aim is to support them in the best way we can.”

Dave999 2016-05-03 09:17
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eekkelund (Post 1504889)
Press release from Jolla:
Jolla secures new financing for Sailfish OS development and its licensing business

For me this last paragraph was the most interesting


And they are even talking about Turing
That is indeed good news and full refund should follow suite.

Still only two people with refund in this thread.

Edit: why do they use Dr. Saarino says this an Dr. Saarino says that. Remove the Dr. And it sounds more trustworthy.

tommo 2016-05-03 09:54
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I don't recall him being referred to as Dr before, maybe Dr of **** ups.

Dave999 2016-05-03 11:19
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Mini Saarino comments bla bla blue...

It's definitely an improvement but I still prefer the name only.

mscion 2016-05-03 11:52
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Glad to hear of some positive news from Jolla!

Also thanks for the info about countries, taxes and beer! While I may be unhappy with my country's leadership at times, I could never abandon it. On the other hand, I certainly need to travel more!

Just checked. Still no refund.
Anyone know what kind of specs the intex phone will have. Will it have global LTE data? Too early to tell?

att 2016-05-03 12:14
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1504874)
I would. Now, about the job situation there... who's hiring and willing to assist with relocation?
http://www.movingtofinland.fi/
http://www.infopankki.fi/en/moving-to-finland

nthn 2016-05-03 12:18
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jellyroll (Post 1504879)
Belgium, Dutch, German or UK beer = Okidoki
Putting Dutch, German or UK beer in the same sentence as Belgian beer... Puh-lease!

Dave999 2016-05-03 12:28
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nthn (Post 1504925)
Putting Dutch, German or UK beer in the same sentence as Belgian beer... Puh-lease!
Guys. Almost all countries have great beers...some even bears. It's just that you not know where to look. Do some research before traveling!

http://www.worldbeerawards.com

Tsippaduida 2016-05-03 12:44
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Who's hiring? Everyone in this thread knows this, but just in case:

https://jolla.com/jobs/

wicket 2016-05-03 16:20
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eekkelund (Post 1504889)
I'm surprised that Dave didn't take the bait...

Quote:
Jolla is also preparing a new Special Community progrAM, which will be announced in the near future.
It would be great code name for whatever it is they've got planned. ;)

Dave999 2016-05-03 16:30
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1504950)
I'm surprised that Dave didn't take the bait...



It would be great code name for whatever it is they've got planned. ;)
Good one!
I don't need to point it out anymore . Everybody understands it was as scam in some way.

Now we are looking forward to the refund. And I'm not talking about this semi-fake-chicken-50%-refund. I'm talking about the the real deal. The mega epic full refund within this year.

But since you pointed it so nicely...it will be intresting to follow the SCAM program :D

gerbick 2016-05-03 16:32
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1504950)
Jolla is also preparing a new Special Community progrAM, which will be announced in the near future.
https://www.hdwallpapers.net/images/...d-3-88-589.jpg

Dave999 2016-05-03 17:37
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Anyone cares where the Jolla money comes from...I would love to know some info about that.

mikecomputing 2016-05-03 18:09
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
What about official license of SailfishOS on Fairphone :mad:

gerbick 2016-05-03 19:07
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1504958)
What about official license of SailfishOS on Fairphone
Why? So you'd complain about that too?

robthebold 2016-05-03 19:21
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1504970)
Why? So you'd complain about that too?
If I may be non-ironic and un-sarcastic for a moment, that actually is a good reason when you think about it in a certain way. If you buy an official version, then you could expect a certain amount of help if something doesn't work, i.e. you have a legitimate complaint. With a community port, Jolla and the hardware maker can both (rightly) say: "Well, you get what you pay for. We're not responsible. Maybe ask the community for help . . ." It would sure have broader appeal. Plenty of customers just need to get a device to work, and call someone or walk into a store if it doesn't. That's why my wife has an iPhone and a Mac. Like most normals, she's got no need to haunt forums like me and tinker with her tech all the time. Not her concept of fun.

gerbick 2016-05-03 19:29
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robthebold (Post 1504972)
If I may be non-ironic and un-sarcastic for a moment, that actually is a good reason when you think about it in a certain way. If you buy an official version, then you could expect a certain amount of help if something doesn't work, i.e. you have a legitimate complaint. With a community port, Jolla and the hardware maker can both (rightly) say: "Well, you get what you pay for. We're not responsible. Maybe ask the community for help . . ." It would sure have broader appeal. Plenty of customers just need to get a device to work, and call someone or walk into a store if it doesn't. That's why my wife has an iPhone and a Mac. Like most normals, she's got no need to haunt forums like me and tinker with her tech all the time. Not her concept of fun.
I've absolutely no counter-argument. Bravo. Well done my friend.

Dave999 2016-05-04 08:38
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
No refund! Just checked :(

tommo 2016-05-04 10:01
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505003)
No refund! Just checked :(
Thanks for the update dave, when did you submit the refund form ?

Dave999 2016-05-04 10:08
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo (Post 1505008)
Thanks for the update dave, when did you submit the refund form ?
first day...2-3 hours after announcement.

jellyroll 2016-05-04 15:04
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Dave999, I just found your Jolla tablet on this forum.

zefugoe 2016-05-04 21:07
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505003)
No refund! Just checked :(
I have changed my mind at the (very) last moment: refund instead donation. Have the (half) refund received on my paypal account at 29.04. To answer the next question: Contribution on 19.11.2014 (position in the row between 1000 and 2000)

Dave999 2016-05-04 21:16
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zefugoe (Post 1505040)
I have changed my mind at the (very) last moment: refund instead donation. Have the (half) refund received on my paypal account at 29.04. To answer the next question: Contribution on 19.11.2014 (position in the row between 1000 and 2000)
Welcome to TMO!

(...And to this thread)

ZogG 2016-05-05 11:59
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robthebold (Post 1504972)
If I may be non-ironic and un-sarcastic for a moment, that actually is a good reason when you think about it in a certain way. If you buy an official version, then you could expect a certain amount of help if something doesn't work, i.e. you have a legitimate complaint. With a community port, Jolla and the hardware maker can both (rightly) say: "Well, you get what you pay for. We're not responsible. Maybe ask the community for help . . ." It would sure have broader appeal. Plenty of customers just need to get a device to work, and call someone or walk into a store if it doesn't. That's why my wife has an iPhone and a Mac. Like most normals, she's got no need to haunt forums like me and tinker with her tech all the time. Not her concept of fun.
And exact problem is that Jolla is not open enough to be tinkered 100% and on other hand is not mature to be "out-of-box" phone with no problems :(

tmi 2016-05-05 13:14
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zefugoe (Post 1505040)
Contribution on 19.11.2014 (position in the row between 1000 and 2000)
Same here but no refund. Don't know if it makes any difference, but I did inform Jolla right after submitting the refund form on the first day that they are still more than welcome to offer me the tablet if people are refusing theirs.

I don't deny my doubts of actually receiving the tablet, but at least this has been pretty entertaining :)

juiceme 2016-05-05 14:24
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmi (Post 1505066)
Same here but no refund. Don't know if it makes any difference, but I did inform Jolla right after submitting the refund form on the first day that they are still more than welcome to offer me the tablet if people are refusing theirs.

I don't deny my doubts of actually receiving the tablet, but at least this has been pretty entertaining :)
Well, I gave up my refund as donation, and was given a tablet in the end. ( which am actually typing this with now... )


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