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attila77 2009-04-21 21:39

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 
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Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 281215)
Tracker to index a particular directory, but you don't want to get into the low-level configuration details (and I'd be surprised if Nokia provided such a configuration UI through File Manager) then I have to ask why don't you want Tracker to index a particular directory?

Because not all media files in all directories are music and video supposed to be exposed to the user. I'm surprised this needs explanation. Have we already forgotten the joys of the 2000 ogg files in Media Player from Nokia's very own Map application happily added by metalayer-crawler ? Even today I can't use Media Player and Canola properly as they play 'random' as a various mix of music and application sounds. If the solution is not to have music and application data on the same card, that's hardly not a bug.

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What does Tracker's configuration have to do with MAFW?
The same metalayer-crawler magic had to do with media player. And since MAFW will be omnipresent and a base for a much broader audience, it will be able to make or break basically all your media apps. With the 2000 aforementioned oggs, it would mean they wouldn't just appear in Media Player, but ALL your multimedia applications. Oops.

sjgadsby 2009-04-21 22:44

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 
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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 281234)
Because not all media files in all directories are music and video supposed to be exposed to the user.

I seem to recall reading that Tracker will be monitoring the user's home directory and removable media, not the entire file system. However, I'm not immediately finding a reference for that when I search.

Regardless, trackerd supports simple directory inclusions and exclusions via its configuration file. Applications that install media files that should not be indexed into locations that otherwise will be, should add appropriate exclusions. Failure to do so will be a bug that should be reported to the application maker. And, should the application maker fail to deliver the necessary fix, I expect it would be a simple matter for someone else to make a tiny deb that adds the exclusion for the average, command line averse user.

Bundyo 2009-04-21 22:52

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 
I think they are relying on inotify, so there's no actual heavy weight on the device, unless there's big activity in the monitored directories.

YoDude 2009-04-22 01:24

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 
My appologies for not reading all of the 1,443 previous posts :eek:

Was printing support mentioned?

sjgadsby 2009-04-22 01:39

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 
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Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 281277)
Was printing support mentioned?

Odds are good that it was; however, printing support won't be coming from Nokia.

attila77 2009-04-22 08:21

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 281254)
I seem to recall reading that Tracker will be monitoring the user's home directory and removable media, not the entire file system. However, I'm not immediately finding a reference for that when I search.

Regardless, trackerd supports simple directory inclusions and exclusions via its configuration file. Applications that install media files that should not be indexed into locations that otherwise will be, should add appropriate exclusions. Failure to do so will be a bug that should be reported to the application maker. And, should the application maker fail to deliver the necessary fix, I expect it would be a simple matter for someone else to make a tiny deb that adds the exclusion for the average, command line averse user.

I dont' want to sound too dismissive, but considering the platform (number of 3rd party apps) and common use-cases (how many applications have user-exposable media ?), this is the wrong solution. I'm certain applications should opt-in media files and not opt-out, especially if you operate on SD level. This is why fremantle / trackerd integration CAN be smart, files belonging to debs could and should automatically be ignored f.e. by the application installer (either directly or through MAFW if possible). Otherwise, chances are almost all of 'extras' will do it wrong at first, have a bug filed, have it corrected by the author or the community, make a patch, distribute it, make wikis about it, make sticky posts with giant letters addressing developers, maybe even making a patch to the garage autobuilder to this automatically because all of the above failed, etc. This could all be avoided with a proper approach in the beginning and it's not that hard to do.

GeneralAntilles 2009-04-22 08:32

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 
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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 281316)
I dont' want to sound too dismissive, but considering the platform (number of 3rd party apps) and common use-cases (how many applications have user-exposable media ?), this is the wrong solution. I'm certain applications should opt-in media files and not opt-out, especially if you operate on SD level. This is why fremantle / trackerd integration CAN be smart, files belonging to debs could and should automatically be ignored f.e. by the application installer (either directly or through MAFW if possible). Otherwise, chances are almost all of 'extras' will do it wrong at first, have a bug filed, have it corrected by the author or the community, make a patch, distribute it, make wikis about it, make sticky posts with giant letters addressing developers, maybe even making a patch to the garage autobuilder to this automatically because all of the above failed, etc. This could all be avoided with a proper approach in the beginning and it's not that hard to do.

Since both projects are open and openly developed, why don't you go talk to their developers instead of wasting time speculating on it with too little information?

attila77 2009-04-22 09:08

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 281318)
Since both projects are open and openly developed, why don't you go talk to their developers instead of wasting time speculating on it with too little information?

I'll take it that this means you think it has some merit ;) I'm clueless what the proper place to go to would be, as it is a platform level decision.

GeneralAntilles 2009-04-22 09:22

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 
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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 281322)
I'll take it that this means you think it has some merit ;)

No, I think it's silly to waste your and other people's time speculating on something (especially when that speculation seems to be turning into a downward spiral of negative assumptions) when the answer is but an email away.

What really bothers me is the tendency in this community to fall back on speculation (which often heads in a distinctly negative direction) even when concrete information is readily available.

Before you spend pages of posts in speculation, consider asking the devs first.

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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 281322)
I'm clueless what the proper place to go to would be, as it is a platform level decision.

The Tracker mailing list is here, and there are lots of possible contacts on the MAFW project page.

attila77 2009-04-22 10:23

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 281324)
No, I think it's silly to waste your and other people's time speculating on something (especially when that speculation seems to be turning into a downward spiral of negative assumptions) when the answer is but an email away.

Nah, we know you better than that, you said thank you in a GA way :) I know, I know, you couldn't disagree more and fail to see any sense in that. Don't worry, it's ok :D

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Before you spend pages of posts in speculation, consider asking the devs first.
Might be tricky ! See attach :D

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