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Glad to hear you got a tablet!

There are those that asked to donate and received a tablet.
So, is there anyone that asked for a refund and later given the option to receive a tablet?

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And yet another strange twist in the already weird denouement of the sad saga of the Jolla tablet.

Glad you got a tablet, though.

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yes, many including me #161.

And Juiceme (#799) is not even the "latest" down the list to have reported recieving his Tablet.
There is valker with number #1035, making it nearly 50% of invites converted ro refund and the tablets being pushed down the que.

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Fishy...I'm not saying this is a follow-up scam but it sure looks like that.

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Guys, I am in the club, too.
Unfortunately I have it already some time but did not get to play with it besides charging (with standard N900 -500mA- charger!), updating and installing warehouse ...

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No refund today. I **** you not!

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Lol. I guess i wasnt given the choice them being scared i will brick it

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I did, and a couple of days later I received the invitation to complete the order :D

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OK. No refund Last week. Let's hope for this upcoming week.Refund this month or we have to stepUp the boycott and be more active.

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Who is this "we" you speak of?

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Everyone that wants to join "Make Jolla Great Again" campaign.

You are free to join the campaign.

1. Full refund
2. Appoint country community managers.
3. Give them som extra intel, device and help to set up meetings with the country.
4. Be more active at www.
5. Build a Wall around US.

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No thank you. Following trends, fads and/or groups has never been my forté.

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NP. You would be inside the Wall anyway. But IF you changing your mind and Wants to join this underground group, backning the world for more freedom. Use the codeword: zebra

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All in all, we are just (another) brick in the wallhttps://mixturam.files.wordpress.com...06/images2.jpg

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Yeah, its an invisible Wall around jolla right now build with backers only a refund can fully break it.

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What is this "again" you speak of?

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Again... Or as Jolla might call it "a gain"

Some may like it some won't!

I leave the link here and leave it up to you if you like to install it, already have or never will...https://blog.jolla.com/taalojarvi_available_now/

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Guys Do you know when enough is enough?

Like...Jolla got the money but still refuse to refund us even though they said it many months ago.
Like...Me posting over here even though Jolla completely ignored it.
Like...people destroying the planet just to save time...
Like...when is it time to take Jolla to court
Like...

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I wonder... do you know when enough is enough?

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No. Like most humans I don't. If we did our cities would be completely different. We wouldn't be so egoistic. Guns would be history...so many goes too far every day.

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Are you serious?

It seems to me that you believe you purchased a Jolla Tablet when what you actually did was make a donation towards a crowd funding campaign which for whatever reason turned out to be unsuccessful.

Jolla is not legally obliged to refund donations yet they are doing it anyway despite their financial difficulties. In the case of juiceme they even offered him the tablet even though he rejected the refund. An actual scammer would have taken his donation and offered the tablet to the next one in the list who requested a refund.

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No, he does not understand that. Or, at least, has spent a large deal of time and effort giving that impression.

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Only one thing I can say...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpPQBL7PNhs

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There are more parties than our little crowdfunding saga. Why did you think Jolla ran to court to save the company?

I support Jolla and their plans to do the refund otherwise it would be easy to bail out via credit card company that many have already done.

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On a related note I just saw this.

http://techcrunch.com/2016/05/09/pay...dfunding-cash/

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Great. We need to share info like that.

Maybe we should brand it crowdscaming from now on.

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I'd say this is good and fair.
People should know that crowdfunding is an investment with a hefty risk potential; most of the projects never deliver the original target of the campaign.

"if you are not willing to kiss the money goodbye, don't invest"

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No arguments there. What would be good if the CF sites had a rating system of the people behind it so users could rate away real scammers, and failers from the successful users.

Since the crowdfunders can say anything and have absolutely no accountability to speak the truth or even try to produce what they say... the sites should atleast have the option to vote or comment the user/company behind it :D

so threads like this is important so that failed campaigns don't get away with it. It must cost to fail...

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Normal people also fail campaigns - scammers can be in the manufacturing procesa that they depend on. Or should we rate them too? Let's rate the world before it is too late! Then every investment will be risk free.

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You are right anything could happen. You can probably come up billions of scenarios. But freedom of speech and consumer power is important and the company/name behind the campaign is the one getting the money so...that is the only valid option in my book.

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That wouldn't have worked in this case, because Jolla had a good reputation.

This was a scam, though. They used crowdfunding money to pay themselves, and hoped to find new investors to pay off the old "donators." When they couldn't make payroll, they reached out to the "donators" to encourage them to "donate" for a second or third of the product that they already couldn't afford to deliver. If that's not a scam, there's no such thing.

Of course, it's not uncommon behavior for startups - relying on new investors to pay off the old ones...

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You know, I have no problem with the argument that investing in crowdfunding entails some risk. The problem I'm having with all this is that the risks were quite minimal in this case. Instead there was some hardware issue about the quality control of the screen which caused a delay. However this was not like a new screen technology was being developed. Then there was the issue of losing a backer. Again this is not like investing in an idea with a strategy to try to make it work but there is no guarantee that it could work. I can understand that as risk taking, but, in this case everything was quite doable as demonstrated by the fact that a working tablet was manufactured and distributed to a select few. It appears that most of Jolla's problem stem from the losing of a backer and maybe a mismanagement of funds/priorities. This is not what I would normally consider to be risk factors when investing. I guess I will have to in the future.

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I agree on all what you say, except for the part "This was a scam, though" since this exactly was not a scam. A scam in my books is when somebody does not deliver because of malicious intent; all that could be done to save the project was done and people really put their best effort on it. Failure was due to external influences that coluld not be mitigated.

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I dont think it really matters how we label it. Lots of poeple feel <useYourOwnWord> and its bad for jolla. The bottom line its a brand that many wont Trust atm.

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That kind of "again" implies a repetition or recurrence of a past event.
When was Jolla great in your opinion? I am not knocking down their achievements, but I would not go as far as calling them "great".

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I think they where pretty great when they delivered the Phone. After that they have constantly declined. The product itself was far from good but to me it doesnt really matters.

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I think you're being quite unrealistic if not a bit naïve. They did deliver a phone, we've seen them bend and twist from a last second hardware change and still hit good dates and deliverables with the phone and they've delivered an optimized operating system that incorporates parts of stuff that came from projects we liked - Mer, Maemo, MeeGo, whatever else.

Simply put, Jolla established themselves as an option to iOS and Android at a time where folks didn't have a choice (no, Elop/Windows Mobile was never an option to folks here).

They have not declined. In fact, Jolla has improved. The OS now scales. Russia has forked their own branch of Sailfish. Brazil, South Africa, India and other countries have looked at it, if not invested into it to be a possible path to avoid the American duopoly of iOS and Android.

That is progress. All from bits and pieces that we're partially aware of (Mer for instance) and have used and perhaps trusted.

You need to get over this constant personal rant of yours. You've invested perhaps a couple of hundred dollars/pounds/euros into a company that's used millions to get where they are now. Crowdfunding is a gamble, it's like the lottery. Sometimes you win, sometimes you do not. But I swear to all that's good/holy/unholy... you are acting like some entitled brat about **** that you've decided to take personal.

You say it doesn't matter. You lie. It does matter... I've not seen anybody as bitter as you about something in the past for this long that's not one of my ex-girlfriends.

Their product is not a viable choice for everybody. I would not hand a Jolla phone to my Mother. She doesn't need to interact with a community just to get an answer about how to install something that requires more than click, install, enjoy.

But you guys are savvy. You are acting like a child. I know my words mean absolutely nothing to you, you will just continue to rant ad nauseum and feel just okay about it because this forum gives you a voice.

With that said, continue on. I know you will continue unabated with your puerile tantrum.

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Not sure what you are trying to say. You might be wrong, you might be right, basically it's irrelevant when you talk about other users positions/opinions. But OC, you are more than welcome to voice your opinions.
Long posts doesn't make you more right you know. Take care!

You Rock!

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I remember something someone on here said about long posts, you can just read the start and the end, I think they were right! (of course because everyone is right)

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Smart Guy that someone!