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danramos 2012-06-02 08:28
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1216309)
Agree for once. Microsoft are so desperate they have to fight freedom and Linux and now feed hardware companys to make sure they close down bootloader etc...

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/re...8-pcs-2012061/

Ironi is now Linux companys feed Microsoft to let them install Linux :(

That makes me wonder if we in the end has no choice. Microsoft OR Google for me that is bad too :( Give me freedom back!
Oh I know.. I heard about this. It's a trend to try to lock down hardware in such a way as to make them not meet that "general computing" standard that would otherwise demand an open platform that you can install your own operating system or even software onto. I don't understand why the US government doesn't crack down more on these abuses. The US Constitution clearly lays out the INTENTS for copyrights and patents as "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts." If the INTENT is spelled out, why would you allow copyrights and patents to be abused, particularly when the evidence clearly shows such abuse working AGAINST said intents? What the f***??

dietyyli 2012-06-02 10:22
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Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1215338)
and according to rumours shelving Meltemi
Where did you hear that rumour?

stickymick 2012-06-02 19:54
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1216312)
Oh I know.. I heard about this. It's a trend to try to lock down hardware in such a way as to make them not meet that "general computing" standard that would otherwise demand an open platform that you can install your own operating system or even software onto.
Haven't some manufacturers of PCs already tried that? Dell for one prime example used to have custom bios's for things like video cards, sound cards etc. If you wanted an upgrade you couldn't go out and buy a generic nVidia card because it wouldn't work. Instead you had to send the PC back to Dell so they could charge £/$300 for a £/$100 upgrade. The drivers were different too, so you had to go to Dell to get them (still happens a lot today). They realised how much that was hurting them once they acqired Alien Ware. Things are a little more relaxed now, I believe.
I think that's where the mobile market is heading. The tweaker geek has always been a breed apart and not as well catered for by manufacturers, they're more interested in the "I just wanna take it out of the box, switch it on and use it" brigade who are not interested in what goes on behind the screen.

specc 2012-06-03 10:13
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1216312)
If the INTENT is spelled out, why would you allow copyrights and parents to be abused, particularly when the evidence clearly shows such abuse working AGAINST said intents? What the f***??
LOL :D :D :D That's the most hilarious spelling mistake I have ever seen on TMO - ever!!! :D ha ha and ho ho and he he and [insert the entire official danramos-spelling-mistake-rant her]

danramos 2012-06-03 10:24
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Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 1216535)
Haven't some manufacturers of PCs already tried that? Dell for one prime example used to have custom bios's for things like video cards, sound cards etc. If you wanted an upgrade you couldn't go out and buy a generic nVidia card because it wouldn't work. Instead you had to send the PC back to Dell so they could charge £/$300 for a £/$100 upgrade. The drivers were different too, so you had to go to Dell to get them (still happens a lot today). They realised how much that was hurting them once they acqired Alien Ware. Things are a little more relaxed now, I believe.
I think that's where the mobile market is heading. The tweaker geek has always been a breed apart and not as well catered for by manufacturers, they're more interested in the "I just wanna take it out of the box, switch it on and use it" brigade who are not interested in what goes on behind the screen.
Never stops them from trying again and again, especially when Microsoft is complicit this time around much like they were with ACPI. Remember when it used to be, sometimes still is, almost impossible to get Linux to work well with hardware just because ACPI was interfering with the kernel working with the hardware? Get ready for Microsoft's new Windows 8 support for EFI and allll the new hardware that suddenly won't work with anything but Windows 8. :P

danramos 2012-06-03 12:58
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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1216719)
LOL :D :D :D That's the most hilarious spelling mistake I have ever seen on TMO - ever!!! :D ha ha and ho ho and he he and [insert the entire official danramos-spelling-mistake-rant her]
I think you meant it's the funniest TYPO mistakes... near as I can tell, 'parents' is spelled correctly as a valid word, just not the word I meant to use (hence a spell-checker was useless to correct it in context). I've since corrected the mistake for anybody who intends to read the posting and understand the material, though. The most hilarious? You need to read around more. :)

gerbick 2012-06-03 16:59
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1216793)
...
http://gerbick.com/images/beat-parents.jpg

So... we're abusing parents now?

danramos 2012-06-04 03:40
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1216874)
http://gerbick.com/images/beat-parents.jpg

So... we're abusing parents now?
Heheh.. that look! Oh my God... that look!! Why does it burn?! o.o

SamGan 2012-06-05 02:06
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1216254)
Still possible for nokia stock to come back to $20. Have you heard of a company called apple? If so look at its history. Or even better, if you can look in the future? The stocks that we call success stories today like Apple, Google or Microsoft will eventually face serious stock crises. You know mobile phones and tabs is not the last new thing? One great new idea an your company can rise as Google and force the current giants to adapt or shrink... Why not a teleporter? ;)
For every success story of a company which has pulled back from the brink there are others who have died. Have you heard of Kodak?

Apple was pushed to the brink when the Board appointed Gil Amelio to take over from John Sculley. He was an unmitigated disaster. If the Board hadn't corrected their blunder by sacking Amelio and bringing back Steve Jobs there would be no Apple now.

Nokia is now on a death spiral with Elop. His WP only strategy is a sure path to the grave. The latest comScore report show that Lumia 900 has failed to gain traction in U.S. Microsoft's U.S. share actually shrank another 0.4%. up to April '12. Lumia has also failed to gain traction in India and China (no it did NOT overtake iphone, its sales share is a rounding figure of iphone's) and Western Europe is lukewarm at best.

It may be possible for Nokia to turnaround but not with Elop. Even with Elop out survival is not guaranteed as this man has extensively damaged Nokia's intellectual infrastructure. Unfortunately there is no "Steve Jobs" to save Nokia.

If you are a risk taker you can buy Nokia stocks now and hope for a rally if, and only if Elop is sacked. This is not guaranteed to happen and the Board is likely to keep on buying Elop's line that Nokia is "in transition".

ibrakalifa 2012-06-05 02:19
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Have you ever heard of siemens? :/


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