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pichlo 2016-05-12 08:09
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo (Post 1505449)
Dr Antti Saarnio got a new car and a pair of shoes.
Don't forget a doctorate. He didn't use to adorn his name before.

mscion 2016-05-12 12:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Well, maybe writing a book on the history of the Jolla tablet will not have much legs. Besides, as I understand it, the tablet doesn't have much of a future anyways. How about, so all is not lost, and to tie things together, that this thread be renamed, "Screaming Cyber Monkeys from Outerspace:Tablet Tantrums". Or maybe just "Tablet Tantrums."

Dave999 2016-05-12 13:38
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1505466)
Well, maybe writing a book on the history of the Jolla tablet will not have much legs. Besides, as I understand it, the tablet doesn't have much of a future anyways. How about, so all is not lost, and to tie things together, that this thread be renamed, "Screaming Cyber Monkeys from Outerspace:Tablet Tantrums". Or maybe just "Tablet Tantrums."
The history is always written by the winners so we have to make sure that someone with a jolla tablet from jolla doing the work. Not some random dude waiting for refund or china scamlet.

gerbick 2016-05-12 14:15
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
There are no winners in this thread. History will be written by what is accepted and purchased (and received) by the masses. Not the fringe enthusiasts that typically are unhappy with everything.

Dave999 2016-05-12 16:32
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1505474)
There are no winners in this thread. History will be written by what is accepted and purchased (and received) by the masses. Not the fringe enthusiasts that typically are unhappy with everything.
Chear-up. We Are creating(by funding) stuff for the masses. That should count for something.

But yeah products never go our way. That's a fact by now :D

mikecomputing 2016-05-12 16:33
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
more SCAM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technol...ex-toy-7299079

gerbick 2016-05-12 17:57
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505482)
Chear-up. We Are creating(by funding) stuff for the masses. That should count for something.
Oh, I'm quite cheerful. I just do not wish to invest into any product that doesn't take into account how well it may be adopted. Too many decisions around these products that we may/may not like just do not include people worthy of making decisions.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1505483)
So... you ordered 10?

mikecomputing 2016-05-12 21:08
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1505488)
Oh, I'm quite cheerful. I just do not wish to invest into any product that doesn't take into account how well it may be adopted. Too many decisions around these products that we may/may not like just do not include people worthy of making decisions.



So... you ordered 10?
No haven't got my Jolla tablet money so I could not buy.

tommo 2016-05-12 21:29
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1505497)
No haven't got my Jolla tablet money so I could not buy.
I'm gonna wait for a second hand one on ebay....

gerbick 2016-05-12 22:48
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1505497)
No haven't got my Jolla tablet money so I could not buy.
Was talking about that sex box bro.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo (Post 1505500)
I'm gonna wait for a second hand one on ebay....
Prepare to get fleeced.

robthebold 2016-05-13 01:11
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1505502)

Prepare to get fleeced.
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

tommo 2016-05-13 05:19
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robthebold (Post 1505503)
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Maybe there is ' strip club ' mode! Get drunk, log in to paypal, grab the machine and get fleeced :D

Dave999 2016-05-16 08:10
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Great weekend! Hope your were as rich as mine!

Anyways, after a week of silence refund could possibly pop up again.

Hope that Jolla managed to push through atleast 1 international transfer.

https://blog.jolla.com/making-sailfi...-translations/

juiceme 2016-05-16 08:50
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505586)
Reading the above blog It really boggles me how people can keep on whining the single silly thing on their minds :eek:

Juhani's blog details the opening of the SFOS translation project which is pretty neat (I already checked that over the weekend) but do people comment on that?

No, of course they don't. Now why does this even surprise me?

chenliangchen 2016-05-16 08:58
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1505587)
Reading the above blog It really boggles me how people can keep on whining the single silly thing on their minds :eek:

Juhani's blog details the opening of the SFOS translation project which is pretty neat (I already checked that over the weekend) but do people comment on that?

No, of course they don't. Now why does this even surprise me?
We can invite them to join TMO and this thread and Dave will get a few friends to play together. ;)

Dave999 2016-05-16 09:04
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1505587)
Reading the above blog It really boggles me how people can keep on whining the single silly thing on their minds :eek:

Juhani's blog details the opening of the SFOS translation project which is pretty neat (I already checked that over the weekend) but do people comment on that?

No, of course they don't. Now why does this even surprise me?
Why do you the think I said Jolla must refund all for years? Becouse it will overshadow every little move they are trying to do.

I'm actually supriced that you are supriced :D

ZogG 2016-05-16 10:51
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1505587)
Reading the above blog It really boggles me how people can keep on whining the single silly thing on their minds :eek:

Juhani's blog details the opening of the SFOS translation project which is pretty neat (I already checked that over the weekend) but do people comment on that?

No, of course they don't. Now why does this even surprise me?
Maybe because this project should have been open from the begining? Maybe because people asked for this project to be open for a while now? Or even maybe because the Jolla is the one who would mostly benefit from it and despite first two questions it's done only now?

Same as there would be no "cheers" from me if they opensource what they promised more than 3 years ago.

mscion 2016-05-16 12:19
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Yawn......

pichlo 2016-05-16 13:00
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505591)
Why do you the think I said Jolla must refund all for years? Becouse it will overshadow every little move they are trying to do.
Yes, Dave. We all know that your little mind has room for only one thing at a time but the rest of us have moved on months ago.

Dave999 2016-05-16 13:24
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1505599)
Yes, Dave. We all know that your little mind has room for only one thing at a time but the rest of us have moved on months ago.
Good for you.

You might think you have done that. But since you're posting here is it possible that you are mistaken? Never mind, don't answer that. (Unless you feel you want to)

Haha...One thing at the time?? Yes, That is the story of the men. Your wife never tells you that? ;)

pharmakon 2016-05-16 21:44
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1505291)
I agree on all what you say, except for the part "This was a scam, though" since this exactly was not a scam. A scam in my books is when somebody does not deliver because of malicious intent; all that could be done to save the project was done and people really put their best effort on it. Failure was due to external influences that coluld not be mitigated.
I'm not overly bothered about their emotions or the way they retrospectively frame their intent, the fact is that their paychecks got cut, but I didn't get a tablet. That's a scam. That money went from my pocket, was laundered through a crowdfunding site, was issued in a check to their employees, and went to their respective landlords. The fact that they went back to the well again and again demolishes any positive framing that I could possibly rationalize. I would be shocked if anyone would invest to pay off all of that old debt, unless they were expecting hockey stick growth (which no one in their right mind would expect.)

If I get the money back, that would be nice; but if I don't it's just a reminder that other people have different ethical standards, to the point that they can rip me off, spend the money on themselves, and honestly feel like victims of circumstance at the same time.

It doesn't do me any good to whine about it, and in the grand scheme of things it's a small amount of money, so I'm probably never going to post about it again. I am annoyed by the constant personal attacks on Dave999 for calling it as he sees it, and as I see it. I am entertained by his complete imperviousness to the criticism, and that he still manages to keep the mood light. If this were a board game being crowdfunded, and it didn't ship because all of the money went to the game developer's mortgage, nobody would have a problem recognising that there was a serious ethical breech here.

At the least, open source the work. Is that still in the cards? I remember reading a log of one of their crisis meetings that mentioned the possibility.

pichlo, I haven't moved on any more than if somebody robbed me in the street for $200, and your personal insults demean the entire thread.

alex25 2016-05-17 08:13
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
I have just received a notification from Paypal that I got a payment from Jolla Asia Limited for "This is the 1st half of your refund amount.". :)

Dave999 2016-05-17 09:45
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alex25 (Post 1505626)
I have just received a notification from Paypal that I got a payment from Jolla Asia Limited for "This is the 1st half of your refund amount.". :)
Same here!

Got the mail, still no money but expect them to show up any second now.

I want to thank Jolla for realizing that refund was the only options in this scam and also want thank everyone here that supported the free choice for the supporters. We couldn't have pulled this off without eachother. Let's hope you all get your money soon...er!

We're now half way and I'm looking forward to dance with You all in this thread until mission is completed.

Cheers!

tommo 2016-05-17 09:54
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505630)
Same here!

Got the mail, still no money but expect them to show up any second now.

I want to thank Jolla for realizing that refund was the only options in this scam and also want thank everyone here that supported the free choice for the supporters. We couldn't have pulled this off without eachother. Let's hope you all get your money soon...er!

We're now half way and I'm looking forward to dance with You all in this thread until mission is completed.

Cheers!
Congrats dave, this is a big day

OVK 2016-05-17 11:42
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
I got three separate refunds (apparently for tablet, Lastu case and tablet upgrade), each one half of the original payments.

Bubbless 2016-05-17 13:16
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pharmakon (Post 1505617)
I'm not overly bothered about their emotions or the way they retrospectively frame their intent, the fact is that their paychecks got cut, but I didn't get a tablet. That's a scam. That money went from my pocket, was laundered through a crowdfunding site, was issued in a check to their employees, and went to their respective landlords. The fact that they went back to the well again and again demolishes any positive framing that I could possibly rationalize. I would be shocked if anyone would invest to pay off all of that old debt, unless they were expecting hockey stick growth (which no one in their right mind would expect.)
Yeah, what Jolla should have done instead is put the IGG funds on hold and file for bankruptcy couple of months earlier. Makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:

elastic 2016-05-17 16:28
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Got the first half of the refund to my PayPal account :-) (tablet and case
the refund for the 64GB upgrade is missing though ... )

mscion 2016-05-17 17:05
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Yes, but what about the other half?

chenliangchen 2016-05-17 17:32
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Congrats Dave!!

On the other hand, if Dave got his 2nd half refund, we will lose quite some fun on TMO…

And less scams on this planet.

mscion 2016-05-17 17:41
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
So is everyone getting a refund notice? I have not heard a word.

Dave999 2016-05-17 17:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1505658)
Yes, but what about the other half?
The other half will never be available for the tablet.

Just imagine how disappointed Jolla fans will be realize they won't be able to change back plate :D

Pichlo and Gerbick will go totally bananas when they get a bag of money instead. They will probably blame me for the whole thing ;)

gerbick 2016-05-17 18:10
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Got my first half refund today as well. And I got a notice via email first...

mikecomputing 2016-05-17 18:47
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
I guess Trump will be president before I get my money back.

But then I dont need it since Trump and Putin will invade Europe and kill us all since they are both big idiots.

Copernicus 2016-05-17 19:28
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505662)
They will probably blame me for the whole thing ;)
Aha! The shocking truth behind this entire sorry endeavor has now become plain: Dave999 maneuvered behind the scenes to torpedo Jolla's Tablet project, in an effort to enhance his own status in the social media. He obviously had insider help in this, as he now openly admits that he's received a payoff from the company. (I myself have as yet received no such "refund", and therefore can only assume that all you folks who have must also have been in on the plot...)

Dave999 2016-05-17 19:32
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1505667)
Aha! The shocking truth behind this entire sorry endeavor has now become plain: Dave999 maneuvered behind the scenes to torpedo Jolla's Tablet project, in an effort to enhance his own status in the social media. He obviously had insider help in this, as he now openly admits that he's received a payoff from the company. (I myself have as yet received no such "refund", and therefore can only assume that all you folks who have must also have been in on the plot...)
Ahh, welcome back cop!

You are not far from the truth but I have no permission to disclose the details about this plot. But What what I can say is...I think the Russian government is involved!

Dave vs Cop 1-0

gerbick 2016-05-17 19:48
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
So wait... folks are getting their refunds and there's still conspiracy theories being passed around? What gives?

Copernicus 2016-05-17 20:16
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1505670)
So wait... folks are getting their refunds and there's still conspiracy theories being passed around?
Yes indeed! To explain this, we need to delve into the theory of conspiracy theories, to examine this phenomenon from the point of view of a true Conspiracy Theoretician. As we all know, a conspiracy is normally created when an individual or group wishes to keep certain facts or events hidden from the public. However, the public at large seems to enjoy discovering conspiracies, and will create fictional conspiracies even in the absence of true conspiracies, just to have something to discuss. This, of course, leads to the suggestion that there is in fact a conspiracy in effect to create new conspiracy theories; and, thus, we reach the theory of the Recursive Conspiracy Theory, a self-perpetuating series of theories of conspiracies to create new conspiracy theories.

In short: yeah, this can keep going on forever... :)

robthebold 2016-05-17 20:29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1505671)
Yes indeed! To explain this, we need to delve into the theory of conspiracy theories, to examine this phenomenon from the point of view of a true Conspiracy Theoretician. As we all know, a conspiracy is normally created when an individual or group wishes to keep certain facts or events hidden from the public. However, the public at large seems to enjoy discovering conspiracies, and will create fictional conspiracies even in the absence of true conspiracies, just to have something to discuss. This, of course, leads to the suggestion that there is in fact a conspiracy in effect to create new conspiracy theories; and, thus, we reach the theory of the Recursive Conspiracy Theory, a self-perpetuating series of theories of conspiracies to create new conspiracy theories.

In short: yeah, this can keep going on forever...
Then there's the matter of the soil around major American cities, like Des Moines, for instance. Nothing grows there because the tablets have been buried there to build the landing strips.

Also, still no.refund for me yet...

pichlo 2016-05-17 20:44
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505662)
Pichlo and Gerbick will go totally bananas when they get a bag of money instead.
I don't know about gerbick but I definitely would. I have never given Jolla any money I would expect back, partly or fully.

mscion 2016-05-17 21:08
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1505671)
Yes indeed! To explain this, we need to delve into the theory of conspiracy theories, to examine this phenomenon from the point of view of a true Conspiracy Theoretician. As we all know, a conspiracy is normally created when an individual or group wishes to keep certain facts or events hidden from the public. However, the public at large seems to enjoy discovering conspiracies, and will create fictional conspiracies even in the absence of true conspiracies, just to have something to discuss. This, of course, leads to the suggestion that there is in fact a conspiracy in effect to create new conspiracy theories; and, thus, we reach the theory of the Recursive Conspiracy Theory, a self-perpetuating series of theories of conspiracies to create new conspiracy theories.

In short: yeah, this can keep going on forever... :)
I dunno. Sounds suspicious to me...


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