maemo.org - Talk - Jolla Tablet Refunds (latest developments)

sadly, until jolla makes/commisions a handset worth owning, i am reduced to buying ultrabook style laptops (such as the samsung series 9), and installing linux on them (my own flavour of choice being suse Leap).

oh, and android for my sins. :(
i do have a nexus 5 running cyanogen 13.1, but my huawei P8 has a much better camera....

p.s. if you haven't yet discovered the shear geeky-awesomeness of a Android+KDEConnect+(KDE)Linux then you are missing out!

Dave999

2016-05-23 13:51

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Not sure what this is but it is what it is...so I guess its good.
https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-communi...es-alex-gomez/

nh1402

2016-05-23 14:21

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

I brought up Splitscreen Multitasking in one of the community meetings, the last one or the one before I think. They're not going to work on it this year. Maybe next year.

gerbick

2016-05-23 14:39

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1505959)

I brought up Splitscreen Multitasking in one of the community meetings, the last one or the one before I think. They're not going to work on it this year. Maybe next year.

I hope that they take the lessons from Android N and apply it to their iteration of split screen multitasking. It's nowhere near perfect and seems incomplete (duh, it's an early beta) but it just feels... unfinished.

Thanks for sharing your question and response from them about this.

mscion

2016-05-23 14:45

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505876)

Guys, are we still waiting for split screen or do we have moved on to other devices with this feature?

Are we still intressted in collecting the price we won together?

To me they are a must until Jolla have fully refund users. Then they have absolutely no obligation left from the crowdfunding and can move on as they please, other than possibly destroy our user data or atleast not pass it forward.

And btw: money still stuck in pending even if they were withdrawn years ago. Mybee I have to confirm my account or something.

Is your payment still stuck in pending?

nh1402

2016-05-23 15:09

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1505960)

Well as soon as Android N comes out, and the corresponding libhybris adaptation then there will be no reason why that version of sfdroid can't have splitscreen multitasking.

EDIT: Also I'm not even going to attempt to backport it.

gerbick

2016-05-23 15:24

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1505962)

I really don't care about porting it; especially given that it's rather horrible at the moment.

My point earlier was that Android N's version was not a good solution at all. Copying that, or just porting that would be a waste of time for most. Especially given that Alien Dalvik has been halted at 4.4 or so. SFDroid being at version 7.0 would be a coup; but I almost have to doubt it until it's a delivered product.

Innovation needs to happen. Jolla's solution needs to be better. I think the options of "just doing stuff because it can be done" as opposed to really getting it right is why these platforms are somewhat stuck right now. Why even have Android when native apps need to be built first. New vendors need to be approached. Something different needs to happen.

That's my personal take. Not one that I think is applicable to all use cases and users.

mscion

2016-05-23 15:43

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Not sure about Android N but Samsung's version of multiwindows is pretty good. Even on my Tab Pro 8.4, which is two years old.

Dave999

2016-05-23 15:49

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1505961)

Is your payment still stuck in pending?

Im glad you asked! I had completely forgot about it.

Yep, still pending!

WTF :D

gerbick

2016-05-23 16:51

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1505966)

Not sure about Android N but Samsung's version of multiwindows is pretty good. Even on my Tab Pro 8.4, which is two years old.

I'd say that Samsung's option is definitely superior.

gerbick

2016-05-23 16:52

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505969)

Yep, still pending!

You're like that other ranting dude. Have you contacted PayPal directly to remedy these issues?

nh1402

2016-05-23 17:14

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1505966)

Not sure about Android N but Samsung's version of multiwindows is pretty good. Even on my Tab Pro 8.4, which is two years old.

I believe the tablet version of the multiwindow system is more similar to Samsung's implementation.

gerbick

2016-05-23 17:41

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1505973)

I believe the tablet version of the multiwindow system is more similar to Samsung's implementation.

Slight differences; but somewhat similar. The list of apps that can do split screen easily is actually quite a bit more, but it scales weird whereas Samsung's implementation seems to scale nicely.

Youtube would perhaps be the one to test. No horizontal scroll on the Samsung implementation whereas there's "some" in Android N on my Nexus 6 and on my Nexus 9 tablet.

But... it's all beta. So it'll hopefully get better soon.

Dave999

2016-05-23 17:45

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1505972)

You're like that other ranting dude. Have you contacted PayPal directly to remedy these issues?

What? I was answering a question.
I was planning to but pichlo suggested that it would fix itself by waiting.

Also, Im looking for option of full refund(optional for user, not jolla). Not 99% or less so I can wait.

gerbick

2016-05-23 18:34

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505975)

Waiting for it to "fix itself" is applicable for the first 72 or so hours. I think you're well past that and I would suggest now is the time to inquire. It's quick, you'll have an answer, you'll not have to wait any longer for a reason as to why it's still pending.

Looking for a full refund yet unwilling to inquire about the half refund that you already have? Sounds like you just want to continue bitching and moaning. Look above, try above. It might lessen your wait on the half you have.

Dave999

2016-05-23 18:40

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1505978)

Ok. Thanks. 72 hours. CHECK! I Will contact jolla. Basically don't want to talk with the scamers at PayPal.

Anyone else stuck in pending before I start sending mails?

gerbick

2016-05-23 18:42

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

No. Contact PayPal. They're the ones that have the money still in pending mode. Jolla has sent the money, PayPal seems to be the bottleneck.

Sort it out with PayPal. Understand?

Just saw your edit.

You don't want to call PayPal? That's on you. Then understand that you have a way to fix it and you've decided not to do so. But also understand that I don't really want to hear about your hardships because your decisions made it worse.

Dave999

2016-05-23 19:06

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1505980)

No. Contact PayPal. They're the ones that have the money still in pending mode. Jolla has sent the money, PayPal seems to be the bottleneck.

Sort it out with PayPal. Understand?

Contacted paypal. Will see IF I ever see that money...:D

So whats up with the refund?
1. Jolla Dident want to pay paypal extra fees for the refund.
X. Paypal like some more info about me to release the money.
2. Money is gone in cyber space.

Lols. This guy got a full refund. Maybe he got my money...
https://together.jolla.com/question/...tablet-refund/

gerbick

2016-05-23 19:30

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505982)

So whats up with the refund?
1. Jolla Dident want to pay paypal extra fees for the refund.
X. Paypal like some more info about me to release the money.
2. Money is gone in cyber space.

3. Dave999 decided to put money into a crowd funded campaign, which in itself is a gamble.
4. Dave999 has yet to own up to making that decision and thus accepted the implicit outcomes, which include failure.
5. Dave999 had yet to contact PayPal, wanted to stay being a torn in Jolla's side while not taking it upon himself to try to sort out the true issue: Why is his money in PayPal still pending.
6. Dave999 just wants to be seen, heard and meanwhile doesn't want to resolve what he has the power to resolve.
7. Dave999 will inevitably spout out this continued foolishness and blame people for his own gamble.

I'm sure I could keep going; but unlike Dave999, I have restraint.

pichlo

2016-05-23 19:30

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

72 hours may be applicable in Gerbickland but, as I said before, it can take well over a week to transfer money to places like Russia. I know, I have done it before. Dave received his notification on 17th. A week from then will be tomorrow. Contacting PayPal can never hurt but I would not start panicking before Friday.

About 99 or 100%: PayPal charges for receiving money but not in the case of refunds. In fact they reverse the charges paid in the first place, so even Jolla will get a few pennies back. Our little Davey should be OK.

gerbick

2016-05-23 19:34

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1505984)

72 hours may be applicable in Gerbickland but, as I said before, it can take well over a week to transfer money to places like Russia. I know, I have done it before. Dave received his notification on 17th. A week from then will be tomorrow. Contacting PayPal can never hurt but I would not start panicking before Friday.

About 99 or 100%: PayPal charges for receiving money but in the case of refunds. So our little Davey should be OK.

I said inquire. It's not about Gerbickland or whatever flights of fancy you lot may wish to subscribe to; there's absolutely no harm in asking the place with the pending money "How long will it take?" and get a definite answer as opposed to not knowing and/or asking.

If they do not know, then wait. If they do know, then you'll know. If you don't ask, you'll never know until it's final. And in my book, that last option is not an option in my book.

Meanwhile, my refund went from submission to in my account in under 72 hours.

So Dave's issue is not my issue. Good luck to him; I don't need it on this first half. Let's see how this second half refund pans out.

And luck isn't required for that. Faith is... and I have none.

switch-hitter

2016-05-23 19:37

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Dave999's got his refund and I haven't got mine? :mad:

pichlo

2016-05-23 19:47

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Sorry, by Gerbickland I was not insinuating anything nefarious. Merely the locale where gerbick lives. My experience with handling Neo900 payments from Russia back in the day was:

1. They sent me the money. It arrived in my PayPal account within 2-3 hours.
2. I paid Neo in Euros using my credit card.
3. I waited until that transaction showed up on my credit card bill in Sterling.
4. I issued a partial refund in PayPal to the original payer for the difference.

While step 1 usually took just a couple of hours, step 4 never took less than a week. Only God and PayPal know why.

We are in an agreement, asking PayPal won't hurt.

Dave999

2016-05-23 19:59

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Splendid! We have an agreement!

Either way. What about all of the ones without refund. That is what is important now. Jolla said first part should be completed in May...and may is soon gone.

Maybe they meant June :D

gerbick

2016-05-23 20:40

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1505987)

Sorry, by Gerbickland I was not insinuating anything nefarious...

Naw, didn't even take it like that. Sorta upset that you guys think I have my own country whereas I'm just a pauper.

Perhaps I should start designing my own flag though...

mikecomputing

2016-05-23 20:47

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1505844)

.....

Intel seems to have gotten out of the mobile sector almost fully so x86 on these things seems unlikely until the m-series goes low energy enough to stop being a netbook level (ex. Intel m3-6Y30) - read: not likely for quite some time.

Its so fun with Intel they have said this since Nokia era still they can't deliver.

It will never happen.

mscion

2016-05-23 21:23

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1505987)

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My experience with handling Neo900 payments from Russia back in the day was:
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How do you know Dave999 is from Russia? Is he related to Putin? Or more of a lineage derived from the Romanovs?

m4r0v3r

2016-05-23 22:11

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i feel like ive been scammed by Dave999. I've spent a lot of time reading the word scammed, can I have a refund for the time spent.

Dave999

2016-05-24 05:11

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1505992)

i feel like ive been scammed by Dave999. I've spent a lot of time reading the word scammed, can I have a refund for the time spent.

I can't blame you
. My posts are usually pure quality until you actually read them. But they are not worse than others in this thread, even if some might think their post brings something to the table. Guys, step back and think why you are here.

I will refund the time, and extend your life in 400 parts depending on my ability to do that later next year.

But as first down payment: workout, walk or just move around in a random pattern for 10 minutes more than today and we should be pretty even.

m4r0v3r

2016-05-24 06:05

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505996)

am here because I've had enough of smashing my head against aarch64 for a day :P

pichlo

2016-05-24 06:54

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1505991)

How do you know Dave999 is from Russia?

I don't and I have never suggested that. All I did was provide an example of a country I know of where receiving refunds from PayPal may take a long time.

But, if you really need to know, Dave's past posts have suggested that he lives in the UTC+2 time zone which does point to East Europe or Middle East.

nh1402

2016-05-24 07:08

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1505997)

am here because I've had enough of smashing my head against aarch64 for a day :P

Why can't it just work!

m4r0v3r

2016-05-24 07:18

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1505999)

Why can't it just work!

i know right, its like its doing it on purpose :P

pichlo

2016-05-24 07:22

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1505999)

Why can't it just work!

Things never do. Despite what my boss thinks when he expects me to spend 5 minutes on a 3 hours task.

Dave999

2016-05-24 08:00

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1506001)

Things never do. Despite what my boss thinks when he expects me to spend 5 minutes on a 3 hours task.

That is a classic to think that for non techies. It's like they think just click a button and you have have a production ready tablet and a tablet refund ;)

Btw. I got the money. It was my mistake and my limited knowledge of PayPal. Im only used their app and there is no way to see or approve the incoming payment. But hey. Let's blame Jolla.

zenecho

2016-05-24 08:32

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1506003)

Btw. I got the money.

Good news, sadly no email , no Paypal refund for me. do you think it may possibly be a scam?

mscion

2016-05-24 11:40

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1505998)

Very good. I was inferring too much from your post. Regardless, I am happy Dave999 got his 1/2 refund and I look forward to him receiving the the remainder. Hopefully I am as lucky...

By the way, how do you know his name is Dave?

jellyroll

2016-05-24 12:23

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Hi all

I do get an error when I try run tcpdump in SFO on my N5.

Code:

[root@Jolla Downloads]# tcpdump -i wlan0 -vvv -w /home/nemo/Downloads/test.pcap

tcpdump: /home/nemo/Downloads/test.pcap: Permission denied

[root@Jolla Downloads]#

Does anyone experience the same issue as me or do know how to solve this?

mscion

2016-05-24 12:45

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by jellyroll (Post 1506008)

Hi all

I do get an error when I try run tcpdump in SFO on my N5.

Code:

[root@Jolla Downloads]# tcpdump -i wlan0 -vvv -w /home/nemo/Downloads/test.pcap

tcpdump: /home/nemo/Downloads/test.pcap: Permission denied

[root@Jolla Downloads]#

Does anyone experience the same issue as me or do know how to solve this?

I think you are asking in the wrong place. This thread's main concern is scams...

You might try posting here

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ilfish+android

Dave999

2016-05-24 13:03

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

Quote:

Originally Posted by jellyroll (Post 1506008)

Hi all

I do get an error when I try run tcpdump in SFO on my N5.

Code:

[root@Jolla Downloads]# tcpdump -i wlan0 -vvv -w /home/nemo/Downloads/test.pcap

tcpdump: /home/nemo/Downloads/test.pcap: Permission denied

[root@Jolla Downloads]#

Does anyone experience the same issue as me or do know how to solve this?

Assume you have develop mode on? And mer-tools repository?

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