maemo.org - Talk - The new QWERTY device project

maemo.org - Talk (https://talk.maemo.org/index.php)

- General (https://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=7)

- - The new QWERTY device project (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99632)

Re: The choice of OS of the new QWERTY device project

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibins (Post 1531599)

No speaker or microphone on the front. Put these on the back of the phone (Yeah - crazy, but why not?). Would this be too weird?

That actually sounds rather cool.

Quote:

Putting the speaker to the back side (or top side) would eliminate the need for a second (front) camera. Video calls would work with the main camera.

That, I am a bit less sure about. I thought that the idea of a video call was that both parties can see each other. Not so easy when the camera is not on the same side as the screen.

The same about the proximity sensor: the point is to disable the screen to prevent accidentally pressing something. You would still need that even if the screen is facing away from you during the call.

Quote:

Actually the border of the bezel could be the indicator.

That could work very well and look cool too. I have seen fire alarms like that and it really works well.

Re: The choice of OS of the new QWERTY device project

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibins (Post 1531599)

\o/ for the new phone with slider keyboard!

Crazy idea: Design the device so, that there is no (zero) bezel around the display. Having a 5,5" display would make the device almost exactly the size of a Jolla phone!

Without a slider keyboard this wouldn't make sense, because nobody could hold the device without interacting with the touch display. With the slider keyboard one can hold the device without touching the display at all! Addidtionally this would lead to a few interesting and unique design decitions:

- No speaker or microphone on the front. Put these on the back of the phone (Yeah - crazy, but why not?). Would this be too weird? After checking the display one would have to flip the device to the back side for actually taking the call. Alternatively the speaker could be positioned to the top edge of the side. Actually this would be the left speaker of the stereo speakers of an N900.

- Putting the speaker to the back side (or top side) would eliminate the need for a second (front) camera. Video calls would work with the main camera. Save the money for the second camera and lense. This way you could also blind yourself with the flash LEDs during a video call 8-)

- Putting the speaker to the back side (or top side) eventually could eliminate the need for the proximity sensor to disable the display when the device is held to the head while phoning.

- As there will be more space in depth: Please put two speakers into the thing like in N900, which sounds amazingly good, although the device is really short in length.

- A RGB notification LED on the front might be difficult. Possible solutions:
a) Put it on the bottom edge and position it, so it lights 45° to the bottom and 45° to the back side. When the device lies on a table, the LED will be directed to the person sitting in front of the table. Due to the 45° angle to the table, there is the chance, that the table surface will also reflect the LED.

b) In case you decide to still have a slimm bezel, there could be some sort of plastic fiber material directing the light of a LED positioned inside the phone to the bezel itself or to a small window in the bezel. Actually the border of the bezel could be the indicator.

Anyways: Having the hope to get a landscape slider device with Sailfish OS is very exciting! Thanks for that!

It's possible to remove to earpiece/speaker completely and transmit the audio trough the frame of the phone, using piezo electric components.
The Xiaomi Mi Mix is using this technology.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016...es-looks-like/

Re: The choice of OS of the new QWERTY device project

Forget the 'cool' no edge look, a nice 3mm or so of Ti, stainless steel, even maybe nylon bezel would make carrying the phone in a rubber or plastic case superfluous. We already know that the cool glass-to-the-edge look is why most phones are encased or cracked now, but you rarely saw a cracked N900. I think any community project should aim for maximum longevity vs racing past the current industry trends at making phones a profit center with replacement required once a year of the thin all-glass designs.

Re: The choice of OS of the new QWERTY device project

Quote:

Originally Posted by NX500 (Post 1531605)

Yes but that phone did it terribly.

Re: The choice of OS of the new QWERTY device project

18:9 aspect ratio screen in 5.5" (2560x1080), would still be quite manageable one handed...

Re: The choice of OS of the new QWERTY device project

Quote:

Originally Posted by catbus (Post 1531611)

Why not Amoled?

Because they are controlled mostly by Samsung, the suppliers. To get those screens in a small quantity usually is impossible as they will simply ignore us. I'm sure most people wouldn't want to pay a few hundreds bucks more just to get the amoled.

Re: The choice of OS of the new QWERTY device project

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheKit (Post 1531516)

So, ironically, SoC is the same with Moto Z Play. I already have SailfishOS booting on it (want to get more of hardware working before I publish the port though).

It should be more or less similar then in terms of porting, so we can (at bare minimum) have unofficial port (without Android support).

Chen, on this be careful about the selection of the Wifi+BT+FM combo chip, as in general it seems that the qualcomm offering is much easier to get working in sailfish os than its broadcom equivalent.

Particularly on the Bluetooth side, since android uses Bluedroid theres no requirement for the kernel to have any support for the BT chip at all, which appears to be the root cause of a number of sailfish ports with broken BT. That said the newer kernel in android 7 should help things there as drivers can be more easily backported from mainline.

Re: The choice of OS of the new QWERTY device project

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibins (Post 1531599)

- No speaker or microphone on the front. Put these on the back of the phone (Yeah - crazy, but why not?). Would this be too weird? After checking the display one would have to flip the device to the back side for actually taking the call. Alternatively the speaker could be positioned to the top edge of the side.

Yes, that would absolutely be too weird, and you would look like an idiot every time you picked up a call. Which problem would it even solve? It's as if you would have a house with the doorbell at the front but the actual door at the back of the house. I'm 100% sure there's at least one ugly Belgian house that fits that description to a T.

Re: The choice of OS of the new QWERTY device project

Quote:

Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1531616)

This...

..plus screen burn-ins are still a big amoled problem.