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Un27Pee 2009-03-25 11:45

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
[QUOTE=tso;274436]im tempted to claim that the graphics rendering speed have slowed down lately...[/

have observed that but i thought it was due to the constant chages and optimising, but the final outcome will be ok so i did not report.

Bundyo 2009-03-25 12:16

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn (Post 274437)
I assume Tear only works on the 770 if the 770 is running OS2008HE?

Yup. Sorry, too many dependencies for backward compatibility. Not for Tear itself, but for libwebkit. There will be at some point a Mer build though.

Bundyo 2009-03-25 12:18

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tso (Post 274436)
im tempted to claim that the graphics rendering speed have slowed down lately...

The two latest builds are with vfp removed. I can do a rebuild with vfp enabled and maybe someone can run some tests to see if there is a need to support two builds.

hns 2009-03-25 15:46

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by munky261 (Post 274349)
The update fixed two of my minor issues, the Fn and shift keys no longer have to be held down..woo hoo...makes text entry so much easier! Hoping to be able to use the d-pad to move to next entry box when entering a username and password soon! Only a few issues left for me.

Oops, and I messed that up again in my second patch yesterday, so I just put out a third one. The good news is I got a N810 today from a friend, so I'll look at the dpad navigation thing soon.

lm2 2009-03-25 15:56

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
After latest update it seems the default text entry mode using onscreen keyboard is caps lock/all caps.

qole 2009-03-25 16:26

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Hi all, the repo has latest binaries.

Just a note, Bundyo posted the update at 1 AM my time, early adopters have got to be a little bit patient for me to do the update, especially if he posts an update in the middle of my night.

And just so we don't start the argument again, no, I'm not going to automate the process or give Bundyo keys to my repo or anything. This is just a service until Tear goes into Extras, and as such, will be very human in its scale.

munky261 2009-03-25 16:36

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Just a note, the last update of libwebkit (41137-1) I just installed breaks yesterday's update's (41128-2) fixes of the FN and shift keys needing to be held down. What else was fixed in this version? And how can I revert back to 41128-2 until that issue is fixed again?

Bundyo 2009-03-25 16:40

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lm2 (Post 274518)
After latest update it seems the default text entry mode using onscreen keyboard is caps lock/all caps.

Yes, hns' messed it up with the second update :(

But its a good excuse for me to run two builds tonight - one with n8x0 optimizations and one without.

munky261 2009-03-25 16:42

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
If i just click on the 41128-2 version, will just installing it again revert it back to that version or will trying to install an old version over the new mess something up?

Bundyo 2009-03-25 16:51

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
It will install okay.

Bundyo 2009-03-25 16:54

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hns (Post 274516)
Oops, and I messed that up again in my second patch yesterday, so I just put out a third one. The good news is I got a N810 today from a friend, so I'll look at the dpad navigation thing soon.

What is the dpad navigation thing?

pelago 2009-03-25 16:58

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
If by dpad navigation is meant individual 'clicks' of the dpad moving from link to link then please make it optional. I dislike it in MicroB because if I scroll down a long page using the scrollbar then click the dpad down wanting to scroll a small amount, it will instead select the next link, possibly at the top of the page, and so lose my scroll position. I was very happy when I found that Tear would allow me to use the dpad to scroll around without having to worry.

qwerty12 2009-03-25 17:39

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
bison-2.2 (Yes, that is the package name - I purposely renamed it so it doesn't have any conflicts from the older one in the SDK repo) uploaded to extras-devel. I've correctly made the package remove the old version of bison that is from the SDK repo but Scratchbox will override it with its internal old-*** 1.85 version.

But specifying bison-2.2 as a build-dep will get some of the bison problem sorted (now, just figure out a way to override sbox's bison ;)).

ioan 2009-03-25 18:00

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Any news on when Tear will support the proxy settings?

What about copy/paste?

tso 2009-03-25 19:40

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pelago (Post 274538)
If by dpad navigation is meant individual 'clicks' of the dpad moving from link to link then please make it optional. I dislike it in MicroB because if I scroll down a long page using the scrollbar then click the dpad down wanting to scroll a small amount, it will instead select the next link, possibly at the top of the page, and so lose my scroll position. I was very happy when I found that Tear would allow me to use the dpad to scroll around without having to worry.

i agree fully. i guess it could be made a option.

and while talking of options. i guess a nice option to have would be to toggle between font size and full page zoom, as i think webkit can do both, and i like the current way of zooming while i think others would like a full page zoom.

tso 2009-03-25 19:42

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
hmm, i just had the foeum reply = download issue happen on this forum...

post seems to go thru when it happens tho...

Bundyo 2009-03-25 19:52

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Yes, the post goes through... Btw, currently the default option is full zoom :) Anyway this will be configurable.

Bundyo 2009-03-25 19:54

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ioan (Post 274551)
Any news on when Tear will support the proxy settings?

What about copy/paste?

Which copy/paste issue do you refer?

The proxy settings are with low priority I'm afraid.

GeraldKo 2009-03-25 20:20

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 274579)
Which copy/paste issue do you refer?

The proxy settings are with low priority I'm afraid.

Well, I don't know what Ioan means, but I find it very hard to select text.

Matan 2009-03-25 20:25

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Since tear uses libcurl, it supports http_proxy environment variable, so it is useful for people who need a constant proxy. Just run in xterm

export http_proxy=http://localhost:8118/
tear

To get tear to use a proxy.

This does not help if you want to config proxy by hand.

If you want tear to use the proxy settings from connection manager, you need to convert the following line to vala syntax and add it in a certain strategic place in the code:

if (ConIc.ProxyMode==NONE)
Environment.g_unsetenv("http_proxy");
else
Environment.g_setenv("http_proxy", "http://" + ConIc.get_proxy_host(HTTP) + ":" + ConIc.get_proxy_port(HTTP) + "/");

tso 2009-03-25 20:26

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 274578)
Yes, the post goes through... Btw, currently the default option is full zoom :) Anyway this will be configurable.

it is? if so then webkit is darn good at doing reflows of the page.

i finally got round to testing if the image option stops the download images. and yes it does.

but sadly, the alt-text is not showed, making it hard to locate image based links...

wax4213 2009-03-25 20:37

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
I've been using Tear almost exclusively for a couple of weeks now, here are some things I've noticed:

When I visit www.surfthechannel.com, I'm always prompted to save a few files. I remember it happening on a couple other sites as well, but I don't remember which ones.

Some flash videos have sound but no video, I'm assuming that's an issue more with sub-par flash support on the tablet in general.

Finally, some way to customize privacy settings as well as clear cookies/history/etc would be excellent.

It's so much faster for me than MicroB was that it's still worth using despite these shortcomings :)

munky261 2009-03-25 20:38

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
theres an update to tear showing in qole's repo...I have preview 6 installed, is this a newer version in his repo, or an error of some sort?

Bundyo 2009-03-25 20:39

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matan (Post 274591)
Since tear uses libcurl, it supports http_proxy environment variable, so it is useful for people who need a constant proxy. Just run in xterm

export http_proxy=http://localhost:8118/
tear

To get tear to use a proxy.

This does not help if you want to config proxy by hand.

If you want tear to use the proxy settings from connection manager, you need to convert the following line to vala syntax and add it in a certain strategic place in the code:

if (ConIc.ProxyMode==NONE)
Environment.g_unsetenv("http_proxy");
else
Environment.g_setenv("http_proxy", "http://" + ConIc.get_proxy_host(HTTP) + ":" + ConIc.get_proxy_port(HTTP) + "/");

That won't help though, libwebkit doesn't respect the environment in which Tear resides. Maybe I'm not setting the environment properly but setting it with GLib doesn't help.

Bundyo 2009-03-25 20:40

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by munky261 (Post 274598)
theres an update to tear showing in qole's repo...I have preview 6 installed, is this a newer version in his repo, or an error of some sort?

No, its the same, but without fpu and cpu optimizations :) I will post two different libwebkit and tear builds and qole should get only the n8x0 ones.

munky261 2009-03-25 20:42

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
ok, so which is better that i use, the preview 6 I have installed or the one that is in qole's repo right now?

Bundyo 2009-03-25 20:46

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Probably the difference is not much but yours may be slightly faster :)

munky261 2009-03-25 20:47

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
gotcha. I guess im just confused as to what the 2 different builds are for. Why make one that is slower?

qole 2009-03-25 20:48

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Bundyo, Is there any way you can mark the 770 builds as different? Put a 770 in the version number somewhere?

munky261 2009-03-25 20:53

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
how about changing the versioning all together as i believe you or someone else mentioned so that we know exactly what preview/version we have istead of just the .3

Bundyo 2009-03-25 20:53

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Yeah, but for now the only difference will be in the deb name :)

Bundyo 2009-03-25 20:54

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by munky261 (Post 274611)
how about changing the versioning all together as i believe you or someone else mentioned so that we know exactly what preview/version we have istead of just the .3

I said I will.

munky261 2009-03-25 20:54

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
awesome :)

ioan 2009-03-25 21:07

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 274579)
Which copy/paste issue do you refer?

The proxy settings are with low priority I'm afraid.

I can't copy/paste from/to the web address field. In Tear, go to google.com, then select "google.com" from the address field and then try to paste in Notes (or any other application).

Too bad that fixing the proxy is low in priority, I don't really use Tear because there is no way to block ads and banners without privoxy and I can't stand ads.

Bundyo 2009-03-25 21:11

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
There will be a way to block banners and ads :) There is now, but only works for iframes.

As for copy/paste in address bar, not sure where the problem may be, because I'm with N800 and copy/paste works there (from the vkb). I want to scrap the actions for some time now, maybe that will fix it.

munky261 2009-03-25 21:13

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
I use an N810 as well and cant copy/past using ctrl c/v on my keyboard, have to close it and use the on-screen kb

tso 2009-03-25 21:16

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
seems the edit menu ones do not work on the tear address bar, while the vkb ones do. and the hotkeys are tied to the edit menu...

GeraldKo 2009-03-25 21:19

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 274620)
As for copy/paste in address bar, not sure where the problem may be, because I'm with N800 and copy/paste works there (from the vkb).

No problem copying and pasting from/to the address bar for me on N800, either.

Bundyo 2009-03-25 21:20

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Yeah, probably the actions then.

Matan 2009-03-25 21:26

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 274599)
That won't help though, libwebkit doesn't respect the environment in which Tear resides. Maybe I'm not setting the environment properly but setting it with GLib doesn't help.

I think that the problem is not with GLib, but that libcurl only reads the environment once per session. Hacking libcurl to read the environment for every request is easy and I expect that it won't cause a noticeable performance degradation.


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