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melino 2009-12-17 18:05

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 431987)
Let me explain the rationale behind. Maemo mail client supports quoting (you put your answers inline). And if smart reply is in use you can only support top posting (no inline comments). So, it has been decided to drop smart reply support and leave the Maemo mail client unmodified..

But you could let the user allow to switch to normal reply if desired. On WM devices it's only one click and the original body can be edit. (-> Change original message)

vitaly_repin 2009-12-17 18:36

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by melino (Post 432191)
But you could let the user allow to switch to normal reply if desired. On WM devices it's only one click and the original body can be edit. (-> Change original message)

Sure. But it needs modifications of Maemo mail client. If community modifies modest (open-source Maemo mail client) to support these 2 operational modes I will be more than happy to add required functionality to MfE.

vitaly_repin 2009-12-17 18:55

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vikas (Post 432181)
a weeks worth of fruitless effort with my companies helpdesk and then a call to Nokia whi are saying that MfE doesnt quite work...

At first, I and the development teaam are really sorry about the problems you are having.
Second, what exactly Nokia told you? Is it about Exchange 2003 support ? Then just wait a little bit more for sw. update, pls.

Again, we are sorry about the problems you are having with our software.

melino 2009-12-17 19:27

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 432234)
Sure. But it needs modifications of Maemo mail client. If community modifies modest (open-source Maemo mail client) to support these 2 operational modes I will be more than happy to add required functionality to MfE.

Ok. Too sad I don't know if this will happen in the next months. I would have bought the N900 with smart relply, but without I'll have to stick with Microsoft powered devices. :-(

vitaly_repin 2009-12-18 05:51

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vielfrass (Post 416907)
I am heavily using folders and subfolders in my mailbox and would love to have any tool for selecting visible/synced folders. GUI would be perfect but a hacker approach would be fine too.

This feature request was discussed here last week.

I see 3rd party folder management application as the simplest and fastest way to deliver this feature.

The idea:
After the user has configured an account, the mailbox data (including folders to sync) is inside the DB. It can be shown graphically in UI as a tree of folders and it can be modified in UI using SQL-statements. When the folder is removed from sync configuration, it is not synced anymore.

If any community developer is interested in developing such application, I can give him free "consulting" how to do it. In my opinion, it is 1-2 days of work for experienced sw. developer (including testing).

A bit hacky approach, yes.

jinx 2009-12-18 07:37

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Why is it so hard for nokia to realise, that

1. multiple calendars are a good thing
2. people want to use and synchronize these calendars, not only one.

Ok, the N900 can deal with multiple calendars, but it doesn't allow syncing these multiple calendars. It's not that hard to implement, is it?

I'm mostly curious why this feature is always omitted.

DaSilva 2009-12-18 07:42

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
You "only" have to make Google Sync (two way) possible (=reliable!) and a lot of complains would stop about MfE...

vitaly_repin 2009-12-18 07:51

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx (Post 433025)
Ok, the N900 can deal with multiple calendars, but it doesn't allow syncing these multiple calendars. It's not that hard to implement, is it?
I'm mostly curious why this feature is always omitted.

Not too many people need this feature (surprise). Most probably it is the reason why it is not done.

"Most probably" reflects my personal opinion here. Remember, I am technical guy, not the business decision maker.

sifur 2009-12-18 08:47

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Hi,

not a unix whizz so can you walk me though that command line by command line? I assume this is done using terminal or is can I just copy it?

Thanks

Simon

Quote:

Originally Posted by labra (Post 422732)
Hi!

Now I managed to solve this. I added the cert to the certificate store. By going though the /home/user/ directory I found out that these certificates are put to /home/user/.maemosec-certs/ssl-ca/ -directory. The /home/user/.activesync/certs/ -directory does not have any symlinks to there. I manually symlinked the imported certificate from the .maemosec-certs/ssl-ca/ -directory to the activesync's directory, and it works!

(though it shouldn't be this hard)...

BR, Lari


jinx 2009-12-18 09:16

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 433037)
Not too many people need this feature (surprise).

Really? My impressions are different here. I know many people who have ditched symbian phones because of lack of multiple calendar support. I always though nobody wants his or her private appointments mixed with business appointments...

IlkkaP 2009-12-18 09:45

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx (Post 433104)
Really? My impressions are different here. I know many people who have ditched symbian phones because of lack of multiple calendar support. I always though nobody wants his or her private appointments mixed with business appointments...

At my workplace, most people (including me) use one calendar (corporate Exchange calendar) as the only calendar. Private appointments can always be marked as "Private" and they are not visible to other users (but they will see time as "reserved").

HugoSon 2009-12-18 10:06

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 432270)
Then just wait a little bit more for sw. update, pls

Vitaly - from your personal - as a developer - point of view (not marketing) - do you see "some sw. update" before xmas?

alex_z 2009-12-18 10:53

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Vitaly, one more thing noticed: when receiving new meeting request, its
a) displayed as an email (no big deal)
b) when opened does not offer to accept and put into calendar\accept as tentative\decline\propose new time (IMHO should be addressed asap)

Alex

vitaly_repin 2009-12-18 10:59

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HugoSon (Post 433149)
Vitaly - from your personal - as a developer - point of view (not marketing) - do you see "some sw. update" before xmas?

From my personal point of view I do not expect MfE update to be available before xmas.

Random 2009-12-18 11:12

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Not good! For next xmas?

vitaly_repin 2009-12-18 11:31

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alex_z (Post 433201)
Vitaly, one more thing noticed: when receiving new meeting request, its
a) displayed as an email (no big deal)
b) when opened does not offer to accept and put into calendar\accept as tentative\decline\propose new time (IMHO should be addressed asap)

Yes. Meeting invitations are not supported yet. We are aware of this :)

manaryde 2009-12-18 11:36

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IlkkaP (Post 433124)
At my workplace, most people (including me) use one calendar (corporate Exchange calendar) as the only calendar. Private appointments can always be marked as "Private" and they are not visible to other users (but they will see time as "reserved").

How can I mark appointment as "private" in N900's calendar?

OVK 2009-12-18 11:38

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by manaryde (Post 433224)
How can I mark appointment as "private" in N900's calendar?

I think that at the moment you can't.

I would also like to have that feature.

sjgadsby 2009-12-18 12:33

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
I've had to delete several posts from this thread now. Insults and personal attacks against fellow community members, be they Nokia employees or not, do not constitute acceptable behaviour. Return to constructive criticism and discussion of features and functionality.

vikas 2009-12-18 13:08

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 433203)
From my personal point of view I do not expect MfE update to be available before xmas.

Vitaly - thanks for letting me know. i will be travelling to Helsinki in early January and hope that i can pop into a care centre to get this resolved.

Vikas

HugoSon 2009-12-18 13:20

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 433203)
From my personal point of view I do not expect MfE update to be available before xmas.

That's sad - I thought the "protrait mode" and the 3 SIM card bug were anounced to be seen before xmas. And of course I hopped to see some MfE updates/fixes with the release also.
Hm - then we have something after xmas to wait for :D

HugoSon 2009-12-18 13:21

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 433222)
...not supported yet. ...

I'm glad to read the "yet" in your answer ;)

labra 2009-12-18 14:32

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IlkkaP (Post 433124)
At my workplace, most people (including me) use one calendar (corporate Exchange calendar) as the only calendar. Private appointments can always be marked as "Private" and they are not visible to other users (but they will see time as "reserved").

This is exactly the same as how I use my calendar. And this is why I'd some much like to see this feature somehow implemented in N900 and MfE. And quite often one makes these private appointments with mobile phone in freetime and would like to keep these really private in the company calendar.

sifur 2009-12-18 15:59

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
can anyone tell me if this is fixed and if so where I get it as bug 5597 shows as "resolved" and "fixed". have missed a post on a forum somewhere?

vitaly_repin 2009-12-18 16:04

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sifur (Post 433509)
can anyone tell me if this is fixed and if so where I get it as bug 5597 shows as "resolved" and "fixed". have missed a post on a forum somewhere?

Fixed internally. You need to wait for MfE software update, sorry.

jsharper 2009-12-18 22:15

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 393019)

- Does it support several accounts of type ActiveSync
- No.

I didn't make it thru this thread, but I wanted to say this is really important to me. I use Exchange at home and at work and I hate the idea of having to choose between having work email or personal email in my pocket. It's why I've avoided Blackberry for so long... I know I'm probably in the minority here, but surely I can't be alone.

(not that it matters to me yet, since neither of them work with my N900 currently...)

Guber99 2009-12-19 02:17

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jsharper (Post 433900)
I didn't make it thru this thread, but I wanted to say this is really important to me. I use Exchange at home and at work and I hate the idea of having to choose between having work email or personal email in my pocket. It's why I've avoided Blackberry for so long... I know I'm probably in the minority here, but surely I can't be alone.

(not that it matters to me yet, since neither of them work with my N900 currently...)

Nokia N900 mail for exchange is utter failure. Does not work with my exchange 2007 server. Very disappointed.

Texrat 2009-12-19 02:31

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guber99 (Post 434038)
Nokia N900 mail for exchange is utter failure. Does not work with my exchange 2007 server. Very disappointed.

I'm sure everyone has gotten the point by now.

Guber99 2009-12-19 18:15

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 434044)
I'm sure everyone has gotten the point by now.

If you paid $600 plus dollars for device advertised to work seemingly like E51 and E71, and it does not, you be pressing for change too. I want to quick remedy.

Texrat 2009-12-19 18:22

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guber99 (Post 434612)
If you paid $600 plus dollars for device advertised to work seemingly like E51 and E71, and it does not, you be pressing for change too. I want to quick remedy.

Absolutely I would press for change. You and I just have different methods.

My point here is that Vitaly is bending over backwards, putting in personal time here to listen to complaints and provide what answers he currently can. Many here appreciate the fact that they have a channel to Nokia. I don't want that driven away by repetitive ranting.

vielfrass 2009-12-19 19:17

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 432940)
This feature request was discussed here last week.

I see 3rd party folder management application as the simplest and fastest way to deliver this feature.

The idea:
After the user has configured an account, the mailbox data (including folders to sync) is inside the DB. It can be shown graphically in UI as a tree of folders and it can be modified in UI using SQL-statements. When the folder is removed from sync configuration, it is not synced anymore.

If any community developer is interested in developing such application, I can give him free "consulting" how to do it. In my opinion, it is 1-2 days of work for experienced sw. developer (including testing).

A bit hacky approach, yes.

I like your idea and would like to probe my skills on that project.

Unfortunately I am not an experienced c/c++ developer, but in my daily work I do a lot of LabView and MatLab programming and I know how to rtfm. I would like to try this in Python (PyQT/PySide).

Do you think Python is fast enough for this? (I just started playing around with Python on the N900)

And if a pro jumps on that project I would step aside a help with testing or whatever I could provide.

Could you give me a hint where to find the two things documented:
  • accessing the DB of folders
  • where to put the information of excluded folders

vitaly_repin 2009-12-19 19:31

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vielfrass (Post 434694)
I like your idea and would like to probe my skills on that project.

Cool! I am impressed. Good surprise! Thanks!

Quote:

Do you think Python is fast enough for this? (I just started playing around with Python on the N900)
Absolutely sure. This is just GUI configuration application and several SQL statements.

Quote:

  • accessing the DB of folders
  • where to put the information of excluded folders

Will send you instructions using private messages mechanism today or tomorrow.

Regarding the database itself - you can find it in /home/user/.qmf It contains sqlite database inside.

Update: Sent instructions by private messaging mechanism. Don't hesitate to contact me with questions.

Texrat 2009-12-19 19:34

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Vitaly you are going above and beyond the call of duty here. Most of us appreciate that. :)

pelago 2009-12-19 20:28

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
It's so great we have a one-to-one with a key Nokia developer on MfE.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 434710)
Sent instructions by private messaging mechanism.

I was just wondering why you did that via PM rather than posting publicly? The latter would be more the open-source way.

vitaly_repin 2009-12-19 21:20

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pelago (Post 434763)
I was just wondering why you did that via PM rather than posting publicly? The latter would be more the open-source way.

Agree. But is this forum a proper place to post SQL statements? :-)

This was the main reason behind. Could you suggest the better place to discuss development-specific things?

vielfrass 2009-12-19 21:48

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 434804)
Agree. But is this forum a proper place to post SQL statements? :-)

This was the main reason behind. Could you suggest the better place to discuss development-specific things?

If I have understood and tried the code snippets, I could put them into the wiki.meomo with some additional information around them.

Guber99 2009-12-19 22:48

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 434621)
Absolutely I would press for change. You and I just have different methods.

My point here is that Vitaly is bending over backwards, putting in personal time here to listen to complaints and provide what answers he currently can. Many here appreciate the fact that they have a channel to Nokia. I don't want that driven away by repetitive ranting.

And I agree that Vitaly is doing a great job being available and responding to our concerns. It just has not made a change yet in my ability to access email. And that is the bottom line.

hex900 2009-12-20 02:56

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Long thread I haven't followed (just noticed) so haven't read everything (that'd take days), but just skimming through.

It started as "is it supported" then went in various directions. I can confirm trouble with Exch07, Google's EAS implementation and nuevasync. The problems vary depending on the server-side I'm using, but I can verify problems with receiving often 'server unavailable' messages (particularly with Google) that I've never had except very rarely for known issues (like not Internet connection :-/ )on any other device. I've used Google successfully with other mobile devices as well as a couple Macs (Calendar/Contacts - mail I just IMAP).

My biggest issue across all services is the N900's MfE doesn't a) pull over all fields per EAS protocol spec, b) doesn't properly map fields (Exch07/Google are most problematic - esp. calendar/contact notes), c) doesn't properly update N900 changes back to server, d) IM fields are not pulled into the contact they are associated with - for Google, this is really problematic - two IM addresses = 4 contacts in addition to the primary contact they came from which no longer has an IM info. Why 4 new contacts? 1 for IM address, 1 for email of that IM address x 2 = 4. Merge 50 on your phone to correct? Doesn't 'stick' - if you have to do a full resynch, you have to re-merge PLUS the 4 additional contacts created on the phone get stuck back on Google for you to go delete a couple hundred entries.

Nuevasync had so many problems (which is not the case with other devices I've used it on now and then) that after a couple hours, I went back to MfE -> Google/Exch07 direct because Nuevasync finally admitted that it seems to be a problem with how the EAS protocol was implemented.

So, I've noticed some asking for the code. If that's made available, that'd be great, but IMO there are so many issues, this should be a strong focus on Nokia/Maemo's end. I suspect the strong majority of users need this functionality whether for work or personal (Google). A BIG stretch would be to allow multiple accounts. A smaller stretch would be to support what many are growing used to and I see in forums of other devices that have implemented changes such as supporting multiple calendars (work/personal/shared) and multiple contact groups. IIRC, some are working on more than one account.

Sorry if I repeated what was said somewhere along the thread, but rather than running along smoothly with MfE by now after generations of it being out there (granted, it was on S60, I used Roadsync flawlessly on the N97 because MfE was so limited - including no HTML), a better description is I'm limping along having to do full resynchs too often.

Most of what I've noticed seems to be an issue with the protocol implementation.

Texrat 2009-12-20 03:08

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guber99 (Post 434873)
And I agree that Vitaly is doing a great job being available and responding to our concerns. It just has not made a change yet in my ability to access email. And that is the bottom line.

Understood. Advice here has worked for some and not for others, which can be frustrating. The unfortunate word for those not yet helped is patiently wait for updates. But constant harping doesn't rush that. Good feedback, on the other hand, can.

laroma 2009-12-20 06:47

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
MfE on my n900 won't connect at all. I have tried with google (ok I know it doesn't work) and also with nuevasync with same results.

Mfe is giving an error, that "connection must be secure or account is disabled". I have checked the "secure connection" checkbox, where I also gave server "www.nuevasync.com" and (default) port "443".

The error is displayed instanty when I press next button on the wizard, and it feels like it doesn't even try to connect.

I emailed to nuevasync and they told me that it should work. Any idea why this is happening...?


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