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abill_uk 2010-05-03 16:54

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 640664)
This is not iPhone development.

Nokia is working to bring open source to maintream mobile devices. This is not for everyone. Those unwilling to live in this world should stick to other, safer products.

Really, abill_uk, that's it. You can protest that until the end of time and the protest will be a waste of wind.

This IS supposed to be a debate but STILL none of you agree to a thing i have said why? simply because your all so selfish to your own causes you just cannot see anyone elses point of view and i think i have now proved that somehow.
Many many threads on this forum are about problems created by the use of apps downloaded from this very forum so why? oh i am sure you all will have many explanations NOT to blame anyone on the bench huh. (dont bother).
The N900 will be short lived as Nokia will supercede it very fast mainly from the agro point of view and i really DO hope there is a complete overhaul of this community because to be honest it actually stinks with nastiness and foul mouthed people that should not be allowed to participate in any forum INCLUDING some moderators but there again this is their community so they have the right to do as they please dont they just !!!.
Ok i have far better things to do right now so i will step out for the rest of the day and let you lot carry on crushing everyone that even dares to agree with the update from China ha !.

Laughingstok 2010-05-03 16:55

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640696)
This IS supposed to be a debate but STILL none of you agree to a thing i have said why? simply because your all so selfish to your own causes you just cannot see anyone elses point of view and i think i have now proved that somehow.
Many many threads on this forum are about problems created by the use of apps downloaded from this very forum so why? oh i am sure you all will have many explanations NOT to blame anyone on the bench huh. (dont bother).
The N900 will be short lived as Nokia will supercede it very fast mainly from the agro point of view and i really DO hope there is a complete overhaul of this community because to be honest it actually stinks with nastiness and foul mouthed people that should not be allowed to participate in any forum INCLUDING some moderators but there again this is their community so they have the right to do as they please dont they just !!!.
Ok i have far better things to do right now so i will step out for the rest of the day and let you lot carry on crushing everyone that even dares to agree with the update from China ha !.

abill_uk, you remind me of that one guy in every squadron that wears his helmet backwards.. and he always turns out to be the machine gunner.

zehjotkah 2010-05-03 16:58

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640696)
[...] with the update from China ha !.

Ummm... The "update" is not from china...
Have I now proven, that you don't know what you're talking about?
Oh, you don't agree on my point of view?

http://sadviolin.com/

Texrat 2010-05-03 16:58

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640696)
This IS supposed to be a debate but STILL none of you agree to a thing i have said why? simply because your all so selfish to your own causes you just cannot see anyone elses point of view and i think i have now proved that somehow.

I want to know what medications you take.

oskarmat 2010-05-03 16:58

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
you're a bunch of nerds

abill_uk 2010-05-03 16:59

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 640699)
abill_uk, you remind me of that one guy in every squadron that wears his helmet backwards.. and he always turns out to be the machine gunner.

Yeah well you just better hope i am blind and i dont pull the trigger looking at you aye lmao.

Laughingstok 2010-05-03 17:00

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oskarmat (Post 640709)
you're a bunch of nerds

Touche!

Best post thus far.

fatalsaint 2010-05-03 17:00

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640696)
This IS supposed to be a debate but STILL none of you agree to a thing i have said why? simply because your all so selfish to your own causes you just cannot see anyone elses point of view and i think i have now proved that somehow.
Many many threads on this forum are about problems created by the use of apps downloaded from this very forum so why? oh i am sure you all will have many explanations NOT to blame anyone on the bench huh. (dont bother).
The N900 will be short lived as Nokia will supercede it very fast mainly from the agro point of view and i really DO hope there is a complete overhaul of this community because to be honest it actually stinks with nastiness and foul mouthed people that should not be allowed to participate in any forum INCLUDING some moderators but there again this is their community so they have the right to do as they please dont they just !!!.
Ok i have far better things to do right now so i will step out for the rest of the day and let you lot carry on crushing everyone that even dares to agree with the update from China ha !.

*sigh*.

I don't understand abill_uk... I try and provide a full length explanation of the testing process here and you ignore me and go on a tirade about people "not listening".

I read your whole post; and I responded - WTH?

A Debate is both sides going back and forth with their opinion - not a "You're just not listening, Im leaving!"

I bolded something you said above because it's very key. People need to take responsibility for their actions abill_uk; You can't blame Microsoft that you downloaded screensaver.exe from a random website and got yourself infected with a virus! There is, on every single operating system, severe risks to installing unofficial software.

Why are you constantly trying to paint the picture that it is somehow our fault that users ignore warning signs? Actually, from what I've seen it's easier to get software (once you're a confirmed developer) into the Android Marketplace than it is here. Why? Because AFAIK - there is no "testing" market place; you just upload your fixes and then get all your comments flooded with bug reports.

This is like Suing a business because you slipped and broke your leg, right in front of a "wet floor" sign!

If you actually stick to the intended applications then you run very little risk to your phone or device.

Unfortunately - this phone or device doesn't do what you want it too; and so you venture into the more risky areas; and when you get bit - yell at us for it?

(note: I'm using "you" as a generalizations to the Maemo communities users.)

abill_uk 2010-05-03 17:01

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 640707)
I want to know what medications you take.

To be honest Texrat the best medicine for anyone would be to eat you alive ha ha now THERE IS A THOUGHT WORTH PONDERING AYE LMAO.

Laughingstok 2010-05-03 17:01

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Dude.. fatal. Don't argue with idiots. They just drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Laughingstok 2010-05-03 17:02

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640718)
To be honest Texrat the best medicine for anyone would be to eat you alive ha ha now THERE IS A THOUGHT WORTH PONDERING AYE LMAO.

I do believe you're missing a few crayons from your coloring box.

shinkamui 2010-05-03 17:02

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After reading all of the silly posts back and forth about the leaked beta, I decided to try it for myself. Its too early to say everything works great, however, I am not having any of the described issues. A few apps would not install, and a TON of apps that wouldn't install in 1.1.1 for me install fine now. The OS seems extremely smooth now, and the web browser is working really well. Additionally I installed the enhanced kernel, and OC is killing. This is the first time I feel like the device is actually performing the way it was meant to be. To anyone trying this, I wish you as much success as I've had so far. To those of you who aren't, I hope the final PR1.2 is released soon.

SD. 2010-05-03 17:02

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I think we're going to see a lot of community made custom builds like they have for Android once Meego is released :)

IMO it's a good thing but comes with consequences. Any pre-compiled binary should never be fully trusted, and that even goes for the packages on extras. Honestly using PR1.2L is about as dangerous as doing that... Every time you install something from extras you technically are taking the same risks as installing the leaked firmware. The app manager gives full access to rootfs and can delete battery stuff, install a new kernel, dial 900 numbers, steal passwords, etc. You can literally destroy your device simple by installing one app.

Most of us are just too lazy, don't want to wait, or don't know how to compile from source. I fall in at least one of those categories, not wanting to wait. But in this case, I'd wait to see if there's a timer in PR1.2L before I consider using it.

P.S.:
This post is not meant to encourage anybody to attempt anything malicious with the extras repo and if you try it I'm sure someone will find you and KILL YOU!

fatalsaint 2010-05-03 17:05

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 640720)
Dude.. fatal. Don't argue with idiots. They just drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

I know.. I should really just give up. I really do try....

Bec 2010-05-03 17:05

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I seriously can't even start to explain in how many ways this tread is just wrong.
  • A. What is the leaked PR1.2 RC like?
  • B. Disappointing, Worth a try, 100% what you wanted to see

I did not want to see or hear or know about an unreleased, leaked unstable firmware although I had a gut feeling one must be out, I didn't even bother looking for it.
  • What do you expect when you see a sketch or a half finished painting? Can you be disappointed by an unfinished product?
  • Worth a try? Dunno, would you try to walk around with the chassis of a car that has no engine? Umm... not unless starring in "The Flinstones"
  • 100%... considering this firmware is ~70% ready, I would need choices like 87.2%, 93.4% answer options.

I agree that Nokia should release small incremental updates as they become available - but they don't. Be patient, what are you? Kindergarten?

KapCaveman 2010-05-03 17:05

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640644)
What you are saying and yes it is a fact that it is not reccomended people flash with un-official firmware

You say that, but there are people on this forum that would disagree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk
There is no way this update will brick a N900 because its an OFFICIAL Nokia update albeit released in an UNofficial way so everyone can be rest assured flashing with the new update will NOT brick your N900 as long as you follow the easy instructions on this page....

http://maemofanatics.com/how-to-flash-your-nokia-n900/

IT WORKS 100%.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=534

abill_uk 2010-05-03 17:06

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Yes ok we ALL get the message so very VERY load and clear YOU LOT will never agree with anyone elses opinions and god help them if anyone crosses this group you all say. DO NOT USE UNOFFICAL FIRMWARE it is simply not allowed by this community.
Guess what... i dont give a toss because it works for me thats all i need to know, NOW i am sounding as selfish as you lot !.

fatalsaint 2010-05-03 17:09

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640736)
Yes ok we ALL get the message so very VERY load and clear YOU LOT will never agree with anyone elses opinions and god help them if anyone crosses this group you all say. DO NOT USE UNOFFICAL FIRMWARE it is simply not allowed by this community.
Guess what... i dont give a toss because it works for me thats all i need to know, NOW i am sounding as selfish as you lot !.

.... I need whiskey....

Laughingstok - where'd you go...?

*wanders off*

nosa101 2010-05-03 17:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640736)
Yes ok we ALL get the message so very VERY load and clear YOU LOT will never agree with anyone elses opinions and god help them if anyone crosses this group you all say. DO NOT USE UNOFFICAL FIRMWARE it is simply not allowed by this community.
Guess what... i dont give a toss because it works for me thats all i need to know, NOW i am sounding as selfish as you lot !.

Did you see KapCaveman's post?

imperiallight 2010-05-03 17:10

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No microwave cooking capability, either. Now they're saying PR1.3.!
Quote:

PR1.3 also comes with the "Wingman" app.. it basically helps you pick up chicks at bars by getting the fat chicks enthralled with your N900 leaving the good lookin ones for you to spit game at.

Latest details is the app simply shows pictures of fried chicken.
Don't flatter yourselves

fatalsaint 2010-05-03 17:11

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 640740)
Did you see KapCaveman's post?

Dude.. it doesn't matter.. he doesn't appear to want to read anything.

Texrat 2010-05-03 17:14

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 640745)
Dude.. it doesn't matter.. he doesn't appear to want to read anything.

The good news is the conspiracy appears to have been a success.

Laughingstok 2010-05-03 17:17

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 640751)
The good news is the conspiracy appears to have been a success.

No kidding. Wait until they all discover the rootkit on this "leaked release"

abill_uk 2010-05-03 17:19

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 640751)
The good news is the conspiracy appears to have been a success.

All you have done in real terms is make everyone reading your posts just how selfish and nasty YOU can be, you wont last long as a mod if you carry on like this but there again your using your lifes knowledge and wasting it on this very community your so deeply involed with.
Maybe you will see yourself one day because for sure everyone else is by reading your posts and all your very very obvious mates on this thread with you right now, THATS not slander or threatning talk its the truth as everyone will see it.

sjgadsby 2010-05-03 17:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640644)
Many many things are wrong here...

Do you, by any chance, have a relative in Poland who goes by the name "Darius Jack"?

Texrat 2010-05-03 17:22

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abill_uk you are truly a champion of human growth and development.

That being the case, I recommend you channel your passion into improving the Maemo experience instead of simply ranting. I look forward to your contributions!

fatalsaint 2010-05-03 17:22

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640759)
All you have done in real terms is make everyone reading your posts just how selfish and nasty YOU can be, you wont last long as a mod if you carry on like this but there again your using your lifes knowledge and wasting it on this very community your so deeply involed with.
Maybe you will see yourself one day because for sure everyone else is by reading your posts and all your very very obvious mates on this thread with you right now, THATS not slander or threatning talk its the truth as everyone will see it.

Ok, Seriously? Do you realize that of all the discussions going on here - all you do is single out the sarcastic comments of Texrat and call him an argumentative and selfish jerk.

Yet - you appear to be harassing him by ignoring pretty much anybody else and just focusing solely on him.

It's quite obvious Tex got tired a while ago of trying to actually talk with you and is now just being flippant.

I have realized that it's about time I do the same; as apparently you aren't reading anything I say anyway and just choose to add to the negativity.

Laughingstok 2010-05-03 17:24

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Just so you know abill, I have no friends. :(

fatalsaint 2010-05-03 17:25

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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 640766)
Just so you know abill, I have no friends. :(

This is true.. but you do provide the whiskey.. and for that - I keep coming to our hangouts.

Texrat 2010-05-03 17:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 640763)
It's quite obvious Tex got tired a while ago of trying to actually talk with you and is now just being flippant.

Half flippant. I'm always serious about people switching gears from abject *****ing to actual contributing.

nosa101 2010-05-03 17:29

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640759)
All you have done in real terms is make everyone reading your posts just how selfish and nasty YOU can be, you wont last long as a mod if you carry on like this but there again your using your lifes knowledge and wasting it on this very community your so deeply involed with.
Maybe you will see yourself one day because for sure everyone else is by reading your posts and all your very very obvious mates on this thread with you right now, THATS not slander or threatning talk its the truth as everyone will see it.

You still aren't going to comment on what KapCaveman said?

Ok fine then...I'll change topic.

ANybody see THIS this morning.
Why isn't it maemo compatible? ::angryface::

blwthompson 2010-05-03 17:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewG (Post 637788)
I've heard it now makes a GREAT coffee

Cannot confirm myself though.

Man i could really go a coffee right about now!! Now the dilema should i update to get my coffee or get up and make one.....

SirMuttley 2010-05-03 17:35

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640736)
Yes ok we ALL get the message so very VERY load and clear YOU LOT will never agree with anyone elses opinions and god help them if anyone crosses this group you all say. DO NOT USE UNOFFICAL FIRMWARE it is simply not allowed by this community.
Guess what... i dont give a toss because it works for me thats all i need to know, NOW i am sounding as selfish as you lot !.

When I finished wading through all your posts your main complaint seems to be that the N900 is TOO open.

The openness of the device is something that is the main selling point, which leads me to the question:

Why the hell did you buy one?

It's like someone buying a super car and then complaining it's too fast and dangerous in the wrong hands.

If you wanted something closed but based on linux get android, if you want something where every app is written to set rules, tested by a corporation and approved before release get an iphone.

There are procedure in place to make sure apps are tested before they hit the Extras repo. Anyone installing from Testing or Devel should know that there may be problems and warning are clearly posted.

Yes it's true that is someone is determined enough they might be able to get something malicious into Extras, but I'd say the chances are slim and you run the risk of that on any Operating System that allows you to download and install something from the internet (including an iphone if you jail break it).

zerojay 2010-05-03 17:42

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This entire thread is one gigantic facepalm.

abill_uk 2010-05-03 17:47

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 640763)
Ok, Seriously? Do you realize that of all the discussions going on here - all you do is single out the sarcastic comments of Texrat and call him an argumentative and selfish jerk.

Yet - you appear to be harassing him by ignoring pretty much anybody else and just focusing solely on him.

It's quite obvious Tex got tired a while ago of trying to actually talk with you and is now just being flippant.

I have realized that it's about time I do the same; as apparently you aren't reading anything I say anyway and just choose to add to the negativity.

Sorry to say this but you need to practise what you preach old boy because you always seem to think your never in the wrong and besides i gave up listening to you for that very reason.
Consider the fact that you can be right some of the time but never all of the time but there again your ego is being driven by all your mates on this thread, as for laughingstock... say no more aye lmao.
Texy and me have no choice we agree to disagree. No hard feelings aye.

ioan 2010-05-03 17:49

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Like everyone else, I'm using the leaked PR1.2 right now. I'm happy with it, my N900 seems to be faster now. I took 3 test videos yesterday, all 3 available resolutions, and the quality is - as far as I can see - worst than with the prev. firmware. I hope the video will be smooth in the official update.

fatalsaint 2010-05-03 17:52

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 640791)
Sorry to say this but you need to practise what you preach old boy because you always seem to think your never in the wrong and besides i gave up listening to you for that very reason.
Consider the fact that you can be right some of the time but never all of the time but there again your ego is being driven by all your mates on this thread, as for laughingstock... say no more aye lmao.
Texy and me have no choice we agree to disagree. No hard feelings aye.

Well.. at least you helped prove the point that the only way anyone can get any attention from you is by being negative.

And on that note.. I'm done. Again.

SD. 2010-05-03 17:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SirMuttley (Post 640782)
Yes it's true that is someone is determined enough they might be able to get something malicious into Extras, but I'd say the chances are slim and you run the risk of that on any Operating System that allows you to download and install something from the internet (including an iphone if you jail break it).

I wouldn't call it slim if someone is sneaky enough to put something malicious to activate on a timer. There's a risk on any phone, but Android has a permissions system in place that's far better than anything else. Hopefully something similar is added to Maemo/Meego in the future.

abill_uk 2010-05-03 17:53

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SirMuttley (Post 640782)
When I finished wading through all your posts your main complaint seems to be that the N900 is TOO open.

The openness of the device is something that is the main selling point, which leads me to the question:

Why the hell did you buy one?

It's like someone buying a super car and then complaining it's too fast and dangerous in the wrong hands.

If you wanted something closed but based on linux get android, if you want something where every app is written to set rules, tested by a corporation and approved before release get an iphone.

There are procedure in place to make sure apps are tested before they hit the Extras repo. Anyone installing from Testing or Devel should know that there may be problems and warning are clearly posted.

Yes it's true that is someone is determined enough they might be able to get something malicious into Extras, but I'd say the chances are slim and you run the risk of that on any Operating System that allows you to download and install something from the internet (including an iphone if you jail break it).

It is not me having probs with my N900 its everyone else so it seems as mine is working great especially after flashing the China firmware, its the best its ever been but no one on this thread will agree using China's firmware THATS why all the stoopid arguments going on and its just never ending.

Spotfist 2010-05-03 17:57

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I wonder if all this pr1.2 business is a test by Nokia... Like, the few people who survive the arguments and flames can have the real update ;) Nokia is just waiting for us to kill each other hehehe


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