Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

Swipe (push) to close is not included yet in emulator. It's a known issue on sailfishos.org.

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I had this weird dream last night that I won a sailfish phone. It was yellow, thin and shaped like a jelly bean and felt slightly rubbery so it would not slip from your hand. Someone handed it to me and said you won and I was just staring at it going wtf?


Which makes me wonder (now that I am awake) if sailfish can be licensed out may we not see android themed sailfish phones?

You know once an image gets out XDA is going to mod the crap out of it.

Also a suggestion for their first tv commercial in China they could do something similar to this.
http://youtu.be/iGgqEKP0oPc
Where you play on the "other half" idea and have a transition from left to right..

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Functionality Ideas taken from the Apps request thread:
(thought it might as well go here, as they relate to the OS, as opposed to apps)

FUNCTIONALITY

1. clock/notifications function on sleep screen (aka n9)
2. native email client that can work almost as the same as Outlook; for example..
A. setting up default fonts+signature,
B. out of office auto reply,
C. threaded email conversation as an option
D. global address resolution per mailbox, regardless the default calendar/contacts
3. Flash plugin for browser
4. HDR mode for camera app
5. Panorama mode for camera app
6. Lots of different services for sharing images/video/music/files from gallery or other apps
7. Native SIP integration
8. OpenVPN support
9. Wifi Hotspot (with WPA encryption)
10. Ease of access for hearing/visually impaired
11. Easy SSH and SCP access (confígurable in settings) with password or key files
12. Ability to sync with Outlook / Thunderbird - calendars, contacts, notes, tasks, etc.
13. USB-Tethering
14. Call Keyboard - one swipe site for Unknown Calls
15. Silent Incoming calls with turn over the smartphone
16. integrate Call Recorder on Call Window (Cuong Le Bien's Call Recorder Expected to be ported to SailfishOS)
17. Swype Keyboard
18. BT printing
19. VNC
20. Supporting of different video codecs to see not converted videos in stock video player (mkv, mp4, avi etc).
21. IMAP IDLE support in the e-mail client
22. Bluetooth MAP (Message Access Profile) - should be included in the latest Bluez
23. Menu folders
24. Private mode in the web browser
25. on-device call answering machine so no need for voicemail.
26. support for "flash messages"
27. use camera as a webcam (via bluetooth, wifi and usb)
28. Full support for Unicode 6x with complex rendering, required for South Asian languages. (like N9)
29. Access to create custom keyboard layouts apps and allow to publish like N9.
30. Include keyboard layouts available in MesInput.
31. Custom dictionary support
32. Better speaker(s), (preferably stereo facing to the front like HTC One)
33. Better volume (than N9) for speaker phone, music, etc
34. Swipe down to close app
35. System wide Copy/Paste
36. Feature rich support for codecs in audio and video players:
* Vorbis, Flac, Opus, Speex, Mp3. etc.
* Theora, VP8/9, H.264/5 etc.
37. Navigation buttons/keys on default keyboard
38. BT PAN, support for aptx
39. integration of Contacts & Calender
40. tcpsvd such as it was available in Fremantle
41. bluetooth keyboard and mouse support (HID)
42. hdmi ouput
43. configurable alarm snooze/repeat management for calendar events and other notifications
44. syncml support
45. browser that supports Video object with support for h264/mpeg4, theora/vorbis and hls streams.
46. Integration with g00gle Hangouts & Calendar
47. Integration with SkyDrive
48. Dropbox integration
49. Integration with App.net
50. OS-Encryption + SD-Encryption LUKS had been added to Mer Core
51. VPN IPSEC Support for VPN-Accesspoint
52. Smart Dialling - (contact filtering when entering numbers)
53. Alien. to build the app as a deb package and convert it to rpm.
54. libhildon, hildon (maemo5) qt style to be able to run native maemo5 apps
55. phone speaker switcher (like on N900)
56. support for extension in the web browser? adblock for sailfish would be great
57. encrypting the mail with gpg
58. personalizing gestures
59. Vibrate when outcoming call received ('Outcoming call vibro' on N900)
60. External (bluetooth) GPS support
61. USB host mode
62. audible contact name announcement for incoming calls (AKA symbian)

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

Though it is not a good idea to have several threads about the same thing, you were doing a very good job following up and summarizing the requests.

Hopefully jalyst will at least put a link with heading in the first post to your post above. Otherwise, I am afraid, your list will be lost in this thread.

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I've fallen way behind, too busy IRL, apologies for the delay...
I'll initiate what onethreepella & I discussed soon, this'll make it easier for everyone to take more responsibility in maintaining the content, instead of just 1-2 people.
Eventually we'll lock-it-down again, & leave it to just a handful of people to maintain/manage etc.

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Can I add stuff like bigger screen?

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WHAT is IRL :O U must be at TMO 24hours a day, answer questions or comment, or else u not deserve to be at TMO ;)

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Samsung could buy jolla for almost no money(for them), put sailfish in three different devices, all with different size and spec. Instant success. That would be much cheaper then develop their own android copy. Now, what don't they?

Saildish in a real highend device would rock. My criticism are against jolla HW.

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I haven't seen this video yet from China.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTY3MzIyNjky.html
(^commercial plays before video)

*Shows left and right swipe on messaging cover,
*confirms again the bezel will be smaller on production device
*mentions that app store screen will be open including number of stores and include some type of social media interface to it differentiating it from other OS's approach to apps.
*side by side compare to iphone size
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Also in another video I saw elsewhere earlier this week a jolla staff mentioned a kid mode other half to keep your kids from causing any damage to your data on the phone.

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what I learned from above video: possible 2nd half with extra battery, camera flash, you name it...as long as 3rd party developers see cash in it it may come available.
And since even for N900 the most diverse peripheries have appeared (game grip, mugen battery etc..)
I consider this good news for our hardware keyboard.

Other bits from that video: actual screen will be larger (indeed) phone will be thinner (sigh...why.. It looks pretty outdated already.. give me IR and FM in the standard half, ok.)

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My concern is about the application open animation. It's the same as on blackberry 10 (move to multitasking view then zoom in) and it's cumbersome, and slow. Please make the apps open immediately, even if they only show a splash screen for a few seconds. Simple transitions (zooming in from the icon, or fading/sliding in) are welcome, they give a nice touch, but the S60v5/BB10 slow and multi-step animations are really tiresome. S60 at least allowed the user to turn them off, and guess what, it felt like you overclocked the phone.

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Very interesting indeed, I like the idea of several application stores.
One can imagine original applications stores and therefore no more censorship (see what happens on the Apple app store where some apps are rejected for spurious reasons).

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I hope someboby has backed up the old icons. I hate the new ones (personal thoughts)

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

i find the new icons design is prettier than the old one.

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

You'll still find the old icons in the SDK. They're all in /usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/icons/ on the emulator.

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I like the new ones more too.

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Here is a recent "hands on" with close up shots and analysis
http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2013/0...g-sailfish-os/

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This is a longshot I know but:

Did people notice that jolla.com pictures etc... is stored on some amazon server?

http://ec2-54-228-50-239.eu-west-1.c...pyRed_Home.jpg

Isn't amazon have they'r own "android store" start make me think amazon will help them with appstore and is one of the investors :cool: ?

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

Loads of companies use Amazon Web Services, so that's not much of an indication by itself.

Jolla might well be intending to use Amazon Appstore as one of its stores, though. I have no idea what licensing for it is like, so I can't comment on that.

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I have my private stuff hosted at amazon... what does it tell...? it is one of the easier hostings for lazy people

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I think this is IRC #jollamobile during devaamo conference.
http://pastebin.com/deN1zc74

Posted in there
https://twitter.com/faenil/status/34.../photo/1/large

Also check back this page for video http://summit.devaamo.fi/2013/videos/

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So far, so... meh. :P Will just have to keep looking for its evolution to see if, how and how fast it can improve.

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One thing I really like about Andoid (Well I even surprise meself) - is that is so bloody easy to share and upload almost everything. That would be a nice feature.

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you mean like N9?

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Yeah, sharing using proprietary advertising platforms like facebook, twitter and google+. But try sending a picture using bluetooth to an unpaired device... There is simply no need to pair devices when pushing files. The N9 doesn't have this requirement, but android does.

Also, the N95 could share locations as well, by transferring the geocoordinates in an open format by bluetooth, sms, e-mail. This feature seems to be gone, thanks to all the proprietary shizzle these days.

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Haven't tried any of the Harmatten devices, still running Fremantle. Actually I do not care which device gives the inspiration, as long as it is an well functioning integrated feature.

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Whether you like it or not, support of the three proprietary advertising platforms is necessary for survival these days. If Jolla did not include these or use these for their campaign - you wouldn't have had the chance bitching about it - because then the Jolla Phone would never had happen. At this moment there are no alternatives.

No I have never ever sent nor received anything using bluetooth, I don't even use the radio on the N900 anymore.

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..Android requirement? Funny... sending from my Xiaomi to a friend's Galaxy Note was possible without pairing. Even stock ROM IIRC. Shall i test it across a more diverse range of devices on Monday?

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well then I am sure sailfishos will do all what android does except for crap like g+ feeds(there is no api) however picassa(integrated part of g+ should work. Btw the sharing api used in sailfish also works in nemomobile AFAIK

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What i personally hope for is that SailfishOS would get a function like Autodisconnect on the N900.

It will kill al your connections if idle for a certain time.

Another wannahave is a Mega plugin just like Dropbox is in the N9 intergrated.

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Jolla is going to use Wayland from the start. Exciting news: https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/356034168351756290

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPDfDyjCEAA1ird.jpg:large

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Yes, but not xwayland yet. Not that it's matter too much :D

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

...i wonder what impact for application compatibility it has, and therefore on leveraging abilities for filling application catalogs from existing codebases.

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

I doubt many applications are using X directly. Most are using frameworks and libraries (Qt, EGL and etc.). So they can be rebuilt for Wayland easily.

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Sure, but that's the issue. As Qt4 does not really work with Wayland, having no XWayland means no Qt4 on Sailfish.

Therefore all the Qt4 applications already running on Nemo mobile, Fremantle and Harmattan will need to be converted to Qt5 to run on Sailfish.

Another issue is Python bindings. The PySide bindings that are already available for Nemo currently do not support Qt5 at all (Sfiet Konstantin said he will look into it, so let's hope for the better :)).

The alternative PyQt Python bindings do support Qt5, but currently don't support QtQuick at all, but it hopefully will in the future. Another potential issue with PyQt is, that it is GPL only, meaning your application has to be GPL when using it. PySide is LGPL, meaning applications using it don't have to be GPL. Also unlike PySide, there are not yet any PyQt packages in Mer/Nemo.

All in all, another issue might be with backporting Sailfish stuff to Harmattan and Fremantle - unless we can get Qt5 running on them, then backports might not be possible at all. And it is unlikely many developers will want to maintain a Qt4 only version once converting they application to Qt5.

So that's my "analysis" of possible issues with Sailfish using Wayland only. :)

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I don't see any issues to not support X11 it's time to move forward not backward. We have waiting to long to get rid of crappy X11 on desktop too. And as we know KDE it will take a year or so before we get rid of it on KDE desktop. So in case of embedded platforms like Sailfish and the PlasmaTablet UI its good decision too get rid of X11 now.

And about PyQT I don't get why we need two bindings anyway except maybe the GPL only fanatics. PySide is the way to go for all users. Abandon PyQT IMHO...

Btw. isn't the plan to move nemomobile to Qt5+Wayland also?

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

Thread @Phoronix is quite lively too...
http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...red-By-Wayland

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My guess is, that Jolla have limited resources, and they decided to let Qt 4 go since their switch to Wayland. It's up to the libraries like PySide to catch up. I think from Jolla's perspective it's a good move. They can't support legacy cases in order to move forward swifter.

As for backporting to Harmattan (and let alone to Maemo) - I see no reason for Jolla to worry about that. They have no need to support stalled historic systems. They focus on Mer as a base, and Mer is using Qt 5 with Wayland going forward (it still offers the case of Qt 4 with Xorg for those who want it, but it's Jolla's choice not to use those I guess).

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Jolla's focus is to ensure it's as easy as possible to port apps from Freemantle/Harmattan/Elsewhere to Sailfish* via Qt5/HTML5/AlienDalvik, no more & no less.

It's up to Freemantle/Harmattan devs to decide whether or not to support their N9xx users by back-porting...
OR by getting Qt5 working nicely in Freemantle/Harmattan (if doable?) & maintaining their apps (tweaked for each UX) via it for Freemantle/Harmattan/Sailfish.

*even port many non-core/3rd-party apps themselves (they also need to focus on sourcing content, not just apps)

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from what I seen Wayland does have plenty of legacy support, It will be able to talk to X servers and ect.