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Yes, the Welcome wizard will teach you to use the gestures/UI. You can also access the same material from Tutorial app.

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I don't know what is your purpose for these messages. If you are truly concerned, you can try to help Mer and Jolla people in many ways.

Based on your definitions iPhone, Android and Windows Phone have all been total failures. iPhone was so bad at the beginning that Steve Jobs' lauch event for iPhone was very precisely planned and written. For example Jobs changed iPhones multiple times during the event so people wouldn't see iPhone actually crashing all the time. Even WP/Lumia cannot hold your definitions.

There has been problems with Jolla and I hope that Jolla's people will fix them soon. I will be writting some feedback for Jolla when I have time. Hopefully soon. I want to influence to the journey of Jolla.

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Of course there are going to be bugs, the Jolla device/SailfishOS combination is in beta phase. I am even collecting a bug list here so the glitches can be collected and solved easier.

However, what I have not yet once encountered is spontaneous crashes/boots. I do not understand where you get those from :)

About the UI concept; I use N9/Harmattan extensively, as it was my only mobile OS for 2 years before Jolla, and I find the Sailfish gestures very familiar, an extension of what I have been using all the time. The UI is very easy to use and adapt to, and really natural for me.

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I hope Jolla gets the hint, that collecting bugs that way instead of a proper bug tracker doesn't look good for them :)

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Regarding E-Mail sync I've got a question: Why is for instance the iPhone able to receive emails as soon as they come (don't need to set a sync intervall) and N9 (and Jolla) aren't. What differences are there that the iPhone is able to do it and Jolla not?

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It uses push. Perhaps even this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push-IMAP

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I am not familiar with iPhone, does it work that way with all accounts or does it need some "special apple email account" to work with; specifically what is the mail protocol used?

What I use myself, is maybe the most common portable combination, imap/ssl for incoming mail and smtp/ssl for outgoing mail. IMAP is a client-originating protocol, so the client needs to poll the server for mail.

Either apple uses some server-notification method or it polls the IMAP server with short interval (few seconds?) for incoming mail. If it is the latter, I am sad for the battery usage :o

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I found gestures difficult to understand when someone else (from Jolla) presented those. I tested few of them with demo phones on Wednesday and already earlier two weeks ago, but it still felt like learning curve is significant. Wednesday when I got my Jolla I did exercises in wizard (available in tutorial app too) and since that this has been the most intuitive UI.

I love that you can use this with left or right hand and all gestures work naturally with both hands. I even switch the Jolla from hand to another depending what else I am doing while using it.

Browser experience is currently a disappointment. It lags and same intuition is not tangible in that app. Of course same gestures work, but I would expect to be able go pages back and forward just by swiping and that location bar and other controls could show up just with simple tap and other simple gesture. May be I will learn but currently I feel some inconsistency in the browser.

About battery lifetime.

9:30 (EET) this morning I took my Jolla from charger with full 100 % charge. I installed Skype (Android app) from Amazon AppStore and chatted with a friend for 10 minutes and browsed different settings may be 15 minutes.
11:30 battery level was 85 % after being rest if the time idle
11:55 I switched Location OFF from settings at battery level
76 %
12:26 battery level 1 % down since switching location off
12:30 my Jolla started jamming so badly I had to restart it. Battery level 72 %. I used phone to read twitter notifications and to use twitter with browser for 20~30 minutes (WiFi).
13:42 battery level 69 %
17:00 battery level 54 %. reading messages 15 minutes while connected via 3G. Download and installation of What's my IP address from Jolla store (3G and Jolla in moving car).
19:14 battery level 35 %
19:25 battery level 33 %. Playing with display brightness settings and switching to manual and minimum. I can barely see any difference between minimum and maximum.
20:29 battery level 26 % after 3 minute Skype audio call and idling an hour.

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But wouldn't this mean that the device has to be on DCH (or at least on some common signalling channel) all the time, it would reserve radio resources all the time...?

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I'm not 100% familiar, just stating what I have/use. My iPhone does use IMAP with push, and guess what? It uses _a lot_ of battery. Apple is very good at giving you updates that make it worse even.

I believe iOS 5 made the push function way worse than it was in iOS 4, at least in my experience. iOS 6 even worse than 5, and I haven't upgraded to 7 because I need to read yet again the T&C's and I can't be asked.

My N9 (that's my personal phone), however, uses a schedule, but not for technical reasons, I just don't want ot be bothered every-single-time I get an email :-)

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IOS7 (in iPhone and iPad) supports push messages from iCloud and Exchange server but IMAP works either with scheduled polling or manually depending on account specific configuration. IMAP protocol supports push with IDLE and NOOP commands (http://www.isode.com/whitepapers/imap-idle.html)

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Zendesk works, i encourage you guys, post all of your problems there!
Here is my conversation with zendesk:

;)

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...or not using androidapps ;)

Now seriously,seems there is no native spotify app for example?

I guess the we the community can make that happen using the officially libspotify API.

I mean as much as possible must be ported tto sailfishos. The more the better for all.

I am definitivly willing to pay for apps even closed if its native apps.

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paid apps are not allowed in the harbour, at least for now, if I'm right. :confused:

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One thing I'm interested at is that will the battery life of the Jolla phone be better when the ACL is not installed/running.

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I think work in progress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0CBXylyjzA

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I have understood that Jolla Store (harbour) doesn't currently support payments but you can still implement your own payment solution inside the app.

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Depends on the screen used to view. On my 1020 the original photo looks more orange than the real Other Half. On my iPad screen the photo looks less orange than the actual. Anyway the actual color is really uber orange. Or Poppy Red as the official name of color was written in package label.

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make it optional atleast?


https://github.com/nemomobile/eventfeed

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E-mail didn't yet get a proper open and standard protocol for duplex e-mail notifications (push). The only close approximation is IMAP IDLE, which is close in the idea to XMPP BOSH. It's not really a proper solution, just a workaround but it works good enough until better protocols will be designed. Jolla should probably support it.

It's weird though, that in this day and age such thing isn't ready still.

UPDATE: There is apparently this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemonade_Profile

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Hey dude, which century do you live in. It's been 7 years since Jobs and iphone. Certain things are taken for granted now by the average Joe. The 99 percentile will not be happy with beta and alpha versions of email app. The current Jolla is clearly a developers tool, not very day device for average Joe.

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Well, if someone calls you, you are identified at once. So the same should be true for emails. The only issue could be the volume of the incoming email, making this infeasible (SPAM DDoSing the mobile network ;) ).

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uh....... that is something I really hate. A very sneaky way to actually rip off customer who was lured with "free" app just to realize that after XY levels there's no more unles you pay something.
It makes sense for buying tables (an actual whole new game) in pinball arcade but buying 5 moves in candy crush for 1.20$ is :eek:

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FWIW: http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/29/a...;ncid=rss_semi

(they'll have a video at some point)

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well, certain things were granted in 2007 also. Certain thing were granted when WP7 came out. What's your point?

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Regarding the verge review, the guy is complaining that gestures from outside do different things than gestures inside an app.

Duh! Then what would be the point of outside gestures? If they weren't really nice and productive neither apple (ios7 control center), google(chrome) mozilla(latest FirefoxOS), nor BlackBerry (BB10) would have implemented them.

So it isn't even unfamilliar (which he confuses as unintuitive) while the exact same gestures on the N9 were unfamilliar back then.

Comparing everything with android and saying they should go with it is stupid, it's like saying that all other car manufacturers should stop producing their cars and quit because the corolla is the most popular car in the world.

Regarding email push, N9 had perfectly good push email functionality. (In fact it was the only part of fenix I liked) My gmail messages appeared faster on the N9 than the GMail web interface.

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engadget also complains about the UX, but they are known to be fandroids, so...

Personally, it took me 5 minutes (yes, 5) to get used to the N9 and I could never go back. In fact, I keep trying to wake up my iPhone with a double tap. I estimate that Jolla will be another 5 minutes to get used to. The question is whether I could still go back to the N9 seemlessly ;-)

EDIT: engadget is still trying to upload their video. They are probably using an S3 or something or other ;-)

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AFAIK, Apple have one or more servers to get messages from all user push services, and resend them to his/her mobile. The advantage of this is that the phone have an unique push channel openned, consuming less battery in net connections and a bit less CPU and memory to mantain push channels opened. Also affect less to the lack of decent multitasking.

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*cross-post*

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Playstore is surely useful for those who rely on Android heavily. I still didn't get, why Jolla couldn't at least ask Google about making it officially. Is there some internal tension inherited from Nokia days? Or Google is too strict with requirements for official deployment?

""Google play " for jolla!
 

From here: http://jollafin.blogspot.fi/2013/11/...for-jolla.html


;)

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If you have been reading around, Google are using Play as their way of closing things up so if you want Play and related services you would need to be a signatory of Open Handset Alliance which would prohibit Jolla from using any OS other than Google's Android...

Right so. I have no trouble with mail on my N9, reading 2 Exchange accounts, 1 GMail, 2 IMAP. OK, there is no copy/paste from e-mails received. Hope Jolla solved that and copied the approach on Accounts, which enables me to switch off mail sync for some accounts while in holiday.

(Lumiaman, what are you looking for? You don't seem to find much happiness here. Must be terrible to be drawn in here time and time again.)

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It might have been a strategic decision. They want to offer an option for the operators to implement their own stores (both sailfish and android), and they might have wanted to encourage third parties to do native sailfish applications.

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Well yeah maybe at least asking them would have not hurt, but Google wants it all. There was example talk about when Nokia joined WP, that one of the reasons they did not join Android was that Nokia could not make Nokia Maps default on their phones. Or think about Kindle and how that isn't licensed by Google.

What do you think Google would think about Jolla's own OS and it not using Google maps?
Personally I don't need or want any Google services to my Jolla, so I'm fine.

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I already linked to that post in my last post, but I focused on the comments.
One can just scroll up from the comments to see what you've posted...

Yeah that's well known, but in one of his recent interviews Stefano(?) intimated that they didn't even "try" to have discussions with them.
They just ruled-it-out automatically, that seems wildly irresponsible to me...

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Thank god they didn't. Look what happened to acer. If I wanted google controlling my phone I'd buy android (where I incidentally have more choice and better specs).

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No company is going to help their competitor to succeed.

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Anyone tested BT headset?