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Akkumaru 2015-09-26 16:28
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
To be able to have notifications screen accessible from everywhere, how would you think a swipe gesture like that of BB10? Then we can have action cover swipe or whatever they're called. (Obviously the app drawer won't be accessible everywhere, or maybe if you'd like there are two options by swiping from the bottom which are swipe all the way up for app drawer or up and turn right for notifications)

mosen 2015-09-26 16:47
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akkumaru (Post 1483702)
To be able to have notifications screen accessible from everywhere,)
Well, the real problem with notification screen imho is that it is integrated in the carousel and pushes apps to background if selected.

You can already have kind of what you suggested by applying a patch that maps swipe from left edge to notifications to have it accessible everywhere

Changing the way how to reach it does not solve android apps being paused and the need to reselect last used app.

Yes, there is a patch "bring back last used app" when leaving notifications, but that shows homescreen briefly while changing back and does not solve the app being pushed into background in the first place.

ssahla 2015-09-26 17:25
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1483705)
You can already have kind of what you suggested by applying a patch that maps swipe from left edge to notifications to have it accessible everywhere
No need to patch, Settings > System > Gestures > Quick Events access.

Otherwise, I agree with you. :)

Jordi 2015-09-27 05:36
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mced (Post 1483701)
Now going through the 1.0, 1.1, 1.1.0.0.1, 1.1.0.0.2 loooooong lake journey...
According to Jolla Zendesk, there is a shorter way to go:

Code:
devel-su                ## Use your SSH password here
ssu release 1.1.2.16    ## Your target OS version - change if needed
version --dup

pichlo 2015-09-27 06:04
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
You can't always go from version X to version Y. IIRC, you can't skip 1.0.4. Maybe one or two more. But also, IIRC, the normal GUI way of updating knows that and allows you to update in allowed jumps: 0.0.9, 1.0.4, 1.0.7, 1.1.7, 1.1.9 (numbers for illustration only, do not quote me on them).

mosen 2015-09-27 07:02
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
remark, on my recently bought Stella, i started to update from shipped 1.0.4.x and had 3 update steps to reach 1.1.9.x, like @pichlo wrote.

mariusmssj 2015-09-27 08:00
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
So when you reset your jolla it goes back to 0.0.9?

pichlo 2015-09-27 08:13
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1483747)
So when you reset your jolla it goes back to 0.0.9?
It depends on the production batch. Mine is a second-hand First One and it goes back to around that. My wife's was made in March 2014 and goes back to 1.0.4.

nodevel 2015-09-27 08:28
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
It also depends on whether you sent it for a warranty repair (and when), because if you do, they'll flash it with the latest stable version of SailfishOS and it then becomes your reset point.

By the way, with the ssu release x.x.x.x && version --dup, can one safely downgrade SailfishOS as well?

The reason why I'm asking is that I need to send my Jolla for a warranty repair, but I'm worried that they'll flash it and I'll never be able to go back to Sailfish 1.0 (which I greatly prefer over v2.0). I naturally asked them about it, but they are not responding.

mced 2015-09-27 08:39
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
You're right, lesser upgrades than I expected. Three or four, maybe.

Now I must write a list of "things I must backup in advance":
―List of installed apps.
―Copy of /etc and, maybe, /usr/share.

Bundyo 2015-09-27 12:06
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi (Post 1483737)
According to Jolla Zendesk, there is a shorter way to go:

Code:
devel-su                ## Use your SSH password here
ssu release 1.1.2.16    ## Your target OS version - change if needed
version --dup
Yep, I can confirm this works - went that way when I messed up my upgrade some time ago. :)

Saturn 2015-09-27 13:02
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Have been using version "2.0" for some days now and i think they have done a very good job.
I was happy with the previous and usually don't like change, but they have polished and corrected several parts I didn't like so much.

Though, the cover actions is definitely a regression. Hope they'll reconsider.

Also hope they are done with that and start working on fixing bugs and improve the basic applications, which in my opinion are all in a basic or just-bearable states.

PamNor 2015-09-27 15:27
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Goodbye OOM (lowmemorykiller), welcome SFOS 2.0 multitasking.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=59

Pim 2015-09-28 06:23
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
My son and I are quite pleased with Sailfish OS 2.0 on our Jollas. In particular the animations and event screen, and the new layout and swipes feel natural after a day. With this refresh, it almost feels like a new phone that will serve us well in the foreseeable future, even though it's the same hardware. So thank you Jolla!

switch-hitter 2015-09-28 07:17
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
I wish either double-tap was a toggle (when the phone asleep it wakes up and vice-versa) or 'Sleep' was on a pulley menu on the home screen. I like the fact now nearly every gesture can be done with my thumb in the centre of the screen, the big exception is putting the phone to sleep.

aegis 2015-09-28 14:56
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Sort of success on the CalDAV front with Apple's CalDAV server. Entries aren't offset by an hour now in 1.1.9.28.

But now it lists one of my calendars twice (shared 'Family' calendars seem to get an entry for each user), fails to get about 2/3rds of my entries and still doesn't sync after the first sync. Progress of sorts but still unusable.

Edit: The two calendars were because one was a Calendar and the other was a ToDo. Both appeared as the same name and same colour on my Jolla. On Mac/Android the ToDo adds a checkmark so you know it's not a Calendar.

Testing SabreDAV/cPanel support now.

Edit: SabreDAV/cPanel seems to be better than iCloud for event syncing. It's not syncing on to the Jolla anything older than a couple of months old (setting somewhere?) and it's completely missing some of my more complex events with attendees and longer notes. But, edits on the Jolla and server are synced after the first sync just fine.

The cPanel CalDAV implementation only allows one calendar per user at the moment which has to be called 'Calendar' - I can't add a calendar in any client. So, as long as you keep events relatively simple, that 'works'. Unfortunately, I've got multiple calendars for Home, Work, Family... and need meeting invites working so it's too simple.

I'd love to see Sailfish 2.0 get a sync user interface so you know it's syncing and any errors. Not being able to refresh the calendar inside the calendar app is a bit rubbish - you have to switch to Settings-> Accounts. A cover action to refresh would have been useful.

Calendar events for today appear in the events view below the weather. There's a 1 pixel wide bar with the calendar colour which could be wider to be more visible. Events for tomorrow would be useful too so you know what's coming up tomorrow.

HtheB 2015-09-28 16:39
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
I just noticed that they removed support for Android Widgets!!?
On earlier versions, I could just add Widgets on any Android launcher. Somehow, the android dalvik does not allow this anymore, saying that this action is unsupported...!?

I also noticed that I can't use Teamviewer Quick Support either.
What the f are they doing!?

Rauha 2015-09-28 20:43
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
So, I got email about 2.0 update being availeable many days ago. Not sure excatly how many days ago that was, but it was definately at least along the lines of
one ->two-> many-> many many days ago.

My phone still says that there is no update and that I'm on the latest version. Is there something that an idiot could do in this situation? Apart from doing a factory reset and spending many hours going through the incremental updates.

strobovalo 2015-09-28 20:50
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Im on 1.1.9.28 eineheminlampi just 3 days ago and a email announcing version 2.0 too.

pichlo 2015-09-28 20:50
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
@Rauha, you could do this, only using version 1.1.9.28.

But it is strange. I updated my wife's unit to 1.1.7.28 this morning. Yes, that is not a typo. 1.1.7.28. Very shortly after the update, a notification popped up that another update was available, to 1.1.9.28 (a.k.a. 2.0, see ssahla's post on the next page to clear any confusion). So the mechanism works.

ssahla 2015-09-28 21:31
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
To be clear – if there's any confusion about it (which wouldn't be surprising) – the email talking about Sailfish 2.0 is referring to 1.1.9.28. Because the latest release, 1.1.9.28, "updates your Jolla phone with the new and refreshed Sailfish OS 2.0 user interface". Never mind that the OS version is still 1.x. :)

Quote:
The next OS upgrade will include further improvements to the Sailfish OS user experience, and it will complete the transition to Sailfish OS 2.0. At that point the software version numbering will also jump to 2.0.

JiiHoo 2015-09-30 07:50
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1483677)
And asking for confirmation on battery observation.
I use 2 Jollas, one only for private calls (~5 daily), screen almost always switched off, wifi/bt off.
On 1.1.7.x it lastet max. 4days, now with unchanged usage pattern i charged it twice since 1.1.9. early adopters update of that device 9 days ago, and still power left. (Battery log activated on second charge, out of interest to confirm 5 days first charge duration)

EDIT, battery is a new polarcell replacement
In my case battery usage has gone up and down quite a lot between the releases. 1.1.9 does not look worse than 1.1.7, but perhaps only a bit better. And 1.1.7 was OK from my point of view.

Screenshot from battery log attached for comparison. Wifi & 4G always on, BT disabled, quite light usage during the day and not that many applications active and using network in background (WhatsApp most likely the only one). For some reason I don't see any standby time in the battery log, as can be seen in yours.

m4r0v3r 2015-09-30 09:04
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
nexus 5x ordered, hopefully sailfish isnt too terrible to port

nodevel 2015-09-30 19:19
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Just a heads up for those who would like to go back to Sailfish UI 1.0 in the future:

If you have any problems with your Jolla and are thinking about sending it for a (warranty) repair, you better do it now.

When you send it to Jolla Care they usually flash it with the latest software release, so you cannot restore to any earlier version. That's why I asked them if they could load 1.1.7.x instead of 1.1.9.x and they said they usually cannot fulfill this wish, but as version 1.1.9.x is only a preview release of Sailfish UI 2.0, they can ask their contractor to load 1.1.7.x instead (they do not promise there won't be any mix up on the contractor side, but they will try to make it clear to them).

But this will only be possible until the next release (Sailfish 2.0.x.x) comes out, as it will be the only supported version and by flashing the latest version, they have to make sure the issues you have with your phone are not system-related. So hurry up, or don't send it there at all.

HtheB 2015-09-30 19:34
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1484126)
Just a heads up for those who would like to go back to Sailfish UI 1.0 in the future:

If you have any problems with your Jolla and are thinking about sending it for a (warranty) repair, you better do it now.

When you send it to Jolla Care they usually flash it with the latest software release, so you cannot restore to any earlier version. That's why I asked them if they could load 1.1.7.x instead of 1.1.9.x and they said they usually cannot fulfill this wish, but as version 1.1.9.x is only a preview release of Sailfish UI 2.0, they can ask their contractor to load 1.1.7.x instead (they do not promise there won't be any mix up on the contractor side, but they will try to make it clear to them).

But this will only be possible until the next release (Sailfish 2.0.x.x) comes out, as it will be the only supported version and by flashing the latest version, they have to make sure the issues you have with your phone are not system-related. So hurry up, or don't send it there at all.
Bullsh*t, you can always DD the flash to 1.0 :)

strobovalo 2015-09-30 19:40
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
I have some strange behaviours with apps like whatsapp and weather, after this update i need to close and open the app for receive whatsapp messages sometimes.

HtheB 2015-09-30 20:00
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by strobovalo (Post 1484128)
I have some strange behaviours with apps like whatsapp and weather, after this update i need to close and open the app for receive whatsapp messages sometimes.
You need to enable the background process within the "System settings > Apps > WhatsApp"

nodevel 2015-09-30 20:01
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1484127)
Bullsh*t, you can always DD the flash to 1.0 :)
I hope you can (haven't tried it myself), but:
  • you need to have the image first (but thanks for reminding me, I will definitely make one before sending it in)
  • pressing 'Reset' in the Settings is much easier (I can imagine that not everyone can handle dd or command line for that matter)
  • what I'm suggesting is the officially supported method. Seeing how many people think it is a good idea to remove battery while the OS is upgrading just because they are tired of waiting - and then they are surprised that their phone doesn't work, I would definitely not fiddle with the backup partition if I were them and I would not accept the broken phone for a warranty repair if I were Jolla :)

So yeah, dd is good as the last resort, but my post was targeted at those people who need to send their Jolla for repair anyways and they do not want to end up with 1.1.9.28 flashed on their phone.


EDIT: Reading your reply again, you probably didn't get the point of my post :) I was talking only about warranty repairs and that the favor of them not flashing Sailfish 2.0 will be available only until the next release comes out. And that still stands.

strobovalo 2015-09-30 20:12
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1484130)
You need to enable the background process within the "System settings > Apps > WhatsApp"
I see the notifications when works but i dont receive messages until close/open the app.

TemeV 2015-10-01 05:52
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by strobovalo (Post 1484134)
I see the notifications when works but i dont receive messages until close/open the app.
So did you enable the services? It does partially work without enabling it but for proper operation they need to be enabled

Are you using wifi, there has been some issues with Whatsapp on wifi.

ste-phan 2015-10-01 06:50
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1484127)
Bullsh*t, you can always DD the flash to 1.0 :)
Please keep in mind ,"You" does not mean every user.

For a limited time for current fresh out of repair cases there still this convenient "reset device" that basically provides choice to use 1.0 or 2.0.

Once I discover my device has been served an involuntary upgrade of reset 2.0 and I have to look up or ask you what DD means I will be more happy to have been warned in advance ;)

HtheB 2015-10-01 16:43
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1484161)
Please keep in mind ,"You" does not mean every user.

For a limited time for current fresh out of repair cases there still this convenient "reset device" that basically provides choice to use 1.0 or 2.0.

Once I discover my device has been served an involuntary upgrade of reset 2.0 and I have to look up or ask you what DD means I will be more happy to have been warned in advance ;)
I would gladly help a fellow Sailfish OS user to dd their phones ;)
don't worry about it hehehe

What I meant with the reply was that there IS a way to get your phone back to an older firmware. Yes, it may be a bit the geeky way, but it is possible :)

Martinhsl68hw 2015-10-01 18:38
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
It took me a while to adapt to 2.0 but I have to say well done sailors. I think I would find it hard to go back to the previous version now. The UI feels more professional, slicker and more intuitive. I like the new event view a lot, and I like sideways push to the home screen. I was initially unhappy with the slow fade in, but now I like it, particularly as pushing can start anyway before the fade in finishes. I miss cover swipes, and I don't want the drawer handle but otherwise no major grumbles.

strobovalo 2015-10-01 19:15
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TemeV (Post 1484160)
So did you enable the services? It does partially work without enabling it but for proper operation they need to be enabled

Are you using wifi, there has been some issues with Whatsapp on wifi.
No i dont have activated the enable services option but if it runs partially if is deactivated maybe this is my "issue"... i activate it and lets see =)

Thank you.

MartinK 2015-10-01 21:53
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1484161)
I have to look up or ask you what DD means I will be more happy to have been warned in advance ;)
It is the hull type classification code for a Destroyer.

That's kinda fitting given the overall Jolla/Sailfish marine theme. :)

gerbick 2015-10-02 00:30
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1484161)
...and I have to look up or ask you what DD means I will be more happy to have been warned in advance
Nothing to add but other than DD means a very good thing to my very dirty mind...

carry on...

ste-phan 2015-10-02 07:07
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1484236)
Nothing to add but other than DD means a very good thing to my very dirty mind...

carry on...
I think I know what you mean - tried to BB it the other night, it overheated and is now stuck in a boot loop so I just might have to "Google" DD :p

pichlo 2015-10-02 08:36
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1484236)
Nothing to add but other than DD means a very good thing to my very dirty mind...
Isn't that a bit... Sailfish? ;)

I've always been more of a "B" guy...

Jordi 2015-10-02 08:49
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1484206)
I would gladly help a fellow Sailfish OS user to dd their phones ;)
I would be pleased if you could write a kind of Howto :)

mced 2015-10-03 05:46
Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 
Media Player controls in Lock Screen are a great 2.0 improvement! Actually, it's even better than swipe-cover.

On 1.x, I had to wake up (double tap), swipe down to bring Home Screen and swipe left-right (pause-next track). Now I just double tap and tap.

Starting to love 2.0.


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