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mosen

2017-07-02 11:46

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by Saturn (Post 1530008)

Thanks, it is just my ignorance. The Chinese was for the production, i guess.
Will correct my previous post.

Also, myriads core business is automotive and embedded devices.
So from market pov, alien dalvik for mobile phones is only a side project for them since many years. Explaining maybe why they are not so keen to "upgrade" to newer engine than kitkat unless paid for by a demanding customer?
Making the importance of supporting Anbox within this community even more important btw.

On Topic sony and bootloader.
They kind of invite you to unlock to participate in "sony open device program" because "Openness is important to Sony" :rolleyes: but do not make an exception of any kind when it comes to warranty. the website explicitly states:

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Voiding the warranty
If you unlock the boot loader, you may void the warranty of your device and/or any warranty from your operator. See your device’s warranty statement for details. Additionally, due to the modified device software, Sony’s repair network will likely have to replace key components before it can properly test, repair and verify your device using our repair tools and software. Consequently, if Sony performs a warranty repair, Sony will likely charge you a significant service fee for the additional costs caused by your modification of the software.

worstcase: At least the Xperia X is a common model and can be repaired in independent shops which is a step forward from Jollas own hardware.
bestcase: Special sony/jolla agreement that flashing tested sfos image somehow is covered by special warranty agreement, maybe if done with jollas rumored own user friendly flashtool?

Pim	2017-07-02 12:05

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I am curious about this user friendly flashtool. Will it run via USB or is it just some kind of downloadable app? Does it require Windows ?

Will it allow resetting back to Android, or even dual boot? I'm afraid that any user that ends up with a bricked device will create a lot of negative publicity.

Anyway, hope to hear soon before the last Xperia X's are sold out ..

ZogG	2017-07-02 12:16

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

So basically they ported sailfish to other device and want to sell it, while it has problems and even doesn't support android apps (i remind you that there are still no paid apps on jolla store). And they want it to be as a refund to tablet they did not deliver (and still did not return money, while had money to do more useless stuff)
And how is this port better than any unofficial port of the community members for other devices, which is done by only few (vs Jolla itself) and is free :D

tealc

2017-07-02 12:42

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1530015)

So basically they ported sailfish to other device and want to sell it, while it has problems and even doesn't support android apps

They aim to fix the existing problems (including support for android apps) before start selling it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1530015)

they want it to be as a refund to tablet

This was an option they introduced by request from community. Feel free to say no if you don't like it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1530015)

how is this port better than any unofficial port of the community members for other devices

It has 64 bit support and I would assume that Jolla devs spend more time on flushing out bugs than other porters. But as mentioned before, it is optional to buy this ported image. Future ports to 64 bit device will more or less depend on Jolla's work on 64 bit so I would assume most people appreciate this port even if they don't buy an xperia.

taixzo

2017-07-02 16:17

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw (Post 1530012)

I can't confirm the above - which version are you using? I get predictions in the bar without xt9 installed (see here).

Also I wouldn't describe it as "pretty terrible" - I was using it without xt9 on Fairphone 2, and found it to be useful. Then Eber42 added some fixes for different screen sizes, and it became even more useful with better predictions.

I have 0.5.12-1. It looks like there is a newer version (0.6.9) available somewhere, although it does not show up in warehouse updates list; I will try installing it manually.

rob_kouw

2017-07-02 17:01

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1530015)

...and still did not return money...

They did return half of it in May 2016.

Cheers, Rob

salamisami

2017-07-02 19:29

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Shouldn't a potential future port of SFOS for Xperia X Compact be quite trivial since it's got the same chipset as the X?

Feathers McGraw

2017-07-03 06:50

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by taixzo (Post 1530029)

I have 0.5.12-1. It looks like there is a newer version (0.6.9) available somewhere, although it does not show up in warehouse updates list; I will try installing it manually.

There are two repos with the okboard engine, one is "official" (eber42) and the other is an unofficial build by Skyjumper, which at the time was quite a lot newer than the official one. Your version number matches the unofficial one (that version wasn't released in the official repo). The official repo now has 0.6.9.

Warehouse probably isn't installing it manually because it's from a different vendor or something - try with zypper?

Anyway, this is a bit off topic here - let's continue in the okboard thread :)

m4r0v3r

2017-07-03 15:03

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by tealc (Post 1530017)

They aim to fix the existing problems (including support for android apps) before start selling it.

This was an option they introduced by request from community. Feel free to say no if you don't like it.

It has 64 bit support and I would assume that Jolla devs spend more time on flushing out bugs than other porters. But as mentioned before, it is optional to buy this ported image. Future ports to 64 bit device will more or less depend on Jolla's work on 64 bit so I would assume most people appreciate this port even if they don't buy an xperia.

If you mean SFOS 64bit then fair enough, but the community is the one that got 64bit devices to run sfos

also if people are wondering what Jolla brings to the table aside from 3rd party stuff. Its usually an insane amount of polish. Compare the Jolla 1 to any port and you can feel the difference. I was told its called productisation

eekkelund

2017-07-05 14:35

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

AFAIK at the moment 64bit support is to run 32bit SailfishOS on 64bit devices.
So kernel is 64bit and userland is 32bit. But maybe it will change when Xperia comes. :)

LouisDK

2017-07-05 14:51

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by eekkelund (Post 1530134)

AFAIK at the moment 64bit support is to run 32bit SailfishOS on 64bit devices.
So kernel is 64bit and userland is 32bit. But maybe it will change when Xperia comes. :)

I think so since they need to port Alien Dalvik to 64-bit :)

Can't wait! :)

pexi	2017-07-05 17:42

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Got my Xperia today. Can't wait to install real operating system to it.

Dave999

2017-07-05 18:58

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1530148)

Got my Xperia today. Can't wait to install real operating system to it.

A real OS? :D

lantern

2017-07-05 21:20

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1530148)

Got my Xperia today. Can't wait to install real operating system to it.

Backup TA partition before unlocking bl while you wait.

pexi	2017-07-06 11:10

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1530163)

A real OS? :D

yes sir, a real os with os environment. sfos. not an application environment such as android.

aspergerguy

2017-07-06 14:07

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1530177)

Backup TA partition before unlocking bl while you wait.

Back to MM presumably ;)

romu	2017-07-07 15:11

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

X Compact now at home.

"Jolla, is audience is waiting" :D

acrux

2017-07-07 17:06

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I'm sitting here and considering - should I buy a Sony Xperia X...
There ares still some, but fast decreasing, sources here to get a new Xperia X at the price about 330€.
In the hope, that soon (TM) I'll get a possibility to run SailfishOS in it. (I did not get either Jolla1 (N900 was at that time still very good) or Jolla C (seemed too outdated)).
In comparison to my current phone (Nexus6 & LineageOS14.1) Xperia X looks like somewhat a sort of downgrade. Definitely not an upgrade...
On the other hand I'd like to return using more real Linux environment in my smartphone...
If SailfishOS in XperiaX results a failure, then LineageOS is not supported in Xperia X but OmniROM is:
https://omni.cmxlog.com/7.1/suzu/
Or should I go Youyota Sailfish OS 2-in-1 Tablet road instead?
So - what do you recommend? :)

salyavin

2017-07-07 18:37

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Well if you're so into the latest hardware you may just want to run Linux on Android http://whiteboard.ping.se/Android/Debian

Otherwise either accept older hardware like Jolla1 or C or to current community ported devices. We do not know when the Xperia X official release will actually be available for anyone to purchase it might be quite some months yet.

Dave999

2017-07-09 10:41

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by acrux (Post 1530274)

Wait with both. Jolla has scamed us before and there is currently no relatable info regarding release or who/what this so called beta group will do.

YouYota is slightly better option in my opinion but then again. Plenty of uncertainty in such a small quantity project.

So wait and see...

pexi	2017-07-10 08:49

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Xperia X was a pleasant surprise. It is very snappy and all metal build quality seems good. Also camera takes pretty incredible pictures.

Got it with 299€ from verkkokauppa.com .

eekkelund

2017-07-10 09:14

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

hi-tech.mail.ru's article In Russia, a smartphone with two operating systems (google translated)

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Today representatives of the Open Mobile Platform (OMP) demonstrated a smartphone Sony Xperia X with two operating systems on board - Sailfish and Android. It is planned that after the completion of the platform can be installed in other smartphones. Perhaps the first of these will be in the developed WMD Russian smartphones Inoi R7 or Ermak-OMP.

So dualboot is possible, nice! :)

Also according the article SFOS is not anymore seen as Android competitor but as OS for corporation use.

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What is Sailfish OS?

Recall that the ESN group Grigory Berezkin acquired Sailfish from Finnish developers - the company Jolla, which in many respects is made up of Nokia employees. Once Sailfish was seen as a competitor to Android, but success was not achieved.

Today Sailfish is positioned as a "Russian" OS, protected from any foreign influences. As part of corporate use, the manager can fully control the mobile devices of employees, including prohibit the inclusion of cameras, disable geo-location and download certain content.

Original article that hi-tech.mail used as source: https://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/...umya-sistemami

Jedibeeftrix

2017-07-10 09:34

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1530417)

Xperia X was a pleasant surprise. It is very snappy and all metal build quality seems good. Also camera takes pretty incredible pictures.

Got it with 299€ from verkkokauppa.com .

what does the 8MP sailfish limit do for the Xperia X (SFOS) image quality?

jukk	2017-07-10 09:39

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Bought an Xperia X from ebay (Germany). Arrived swiftly. 240 € + shipping 10 €. Seems they are still not sold out.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371735196231

Phone feels good and I like the form factor. Similar to my Jolla 1, but thinner, a bit larger display and more rounded corners. Now waiting for the Sailfish release.

lantern

2017-07-10 09:54

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by eekkelund (Post 1530419)

So dualboot is possible, nice! :)

Don't trust journalists. I'm pretty sure they misunderstood and talking about alien dalvik on top of sailfish.

lantern

2017-07-10 09:59

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

BTW, kernel 4.4 is now available. Although I'm sure Jolla won't use it, but maybe custom kernels will be available by community members

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2017-06-27: Today we have released experimental AOSP Nougat binaries for Android 7.1 accompanied by a new build guide, added support for Xperia XZ Premium devices and updated support for Xperia XZs, Xperia X Performance, Xperia X Compact and Xperia X devices to kernel 4.4.

Also, damn! Seems like we could get full 20MP camera someday!

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2017-06-16: AOSP Marshmallow and Nougat binaries for Android 7.1 updated for Xperia X and Xperia X Compact. Added 20 Mp camera mode and removed 8 Mp camera mode, fixed AF reset during video recording, improved camera stability and AE stability, and fixed 32bit keystore.

Jedibeeftrix

2017-07-10 11:17

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

where is this info coming from?

why would jolla not use the 4.4 AOSP kernel released for the xperia X?

where does the 20MP limit come from, sone or jolla?

eekkelund

2017-07-10 11:18

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1530424)

Don't trust journalists. I'm pretty sure they misunderstood and talking about alien dalvik on top of sailfish.

Vedomosti:

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When you turn on the device offers to choose one of two OS.

(google translated)

Hopefully they didn't misunderstood aliendalvik that bad. :D

atlochowski

2017-07-10 11:22

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1530428)

where is this info coming from?

why would jolla not use the 4.4 AOSP kernel released for the xperia X?

where does the 20MP limit come from, sone or jolla?

https://developer.sonymobile.com/ope...atest-updates/

BluesLee

2017-07-10 11:56

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by jukk (Post 1530422)

Hehe, i think that we can wait a longer period as they paired the release with aliendalvik nonsense which should have a secondary priority.

cvp	2017-07-10 13:03

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1530428)

where does the 20MP limit come from, sone or jolla?

it comes from sony. The Smartphone has 23MP with the Stock Rom. With Unlocked Bootloader and AOSP only 8MP. Now with A7.1 it will have 20MP. Its a bit stupit from sony... but better than nothing :)

I hope Jolla take the Kernel 4.4.

pycage

2017-07-10 14:51

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1530417)

Xperia X was a pleasant surprise. It is very snappy and all metal build quality seems good. Also camera takes pretty incredible pictures.

Got it with 299€ from verkkokauppa.com .

A patch of the so-called "metal" fell off on the 3rd day of light use at home. Since I haven't put in a SIM yet, I haven't even carried the phone in my pocket. I'm not so convinced of its build quality. :(

elastic

2017-07-10 16:00

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1530441)

mine is in my pocket every day no issues until now ...

Jedibeeftrix

2017-07-10 23:00

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

well, i just bought an x in a prime day deal, so fingers crossed for jolla coming through this time.

jurop88

2017-07-11 10:24

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

F5121 @ 215eur right now on Amazon Prime deal
I'm in with two pieces, crossed fingers that Jolla gets it this time!

vitaminj

2017-07-11 10:50

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Hmm, good spot, but this is Italy-only and Prime members only. I'm a UK Prime member, but there's no offer there, and logging in to amazon.it with my UK account works, but doesn't give me access to the deals, even though I could probably ship it cross-EU if I was allowed to buy it.

(Though this is academic for me until X Compact or upcoming XZ1 Compact are supported)

LouisDK

2017-07-11 20:38

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

My Sony Xperia X arrived today. All-new and sealed for just ~242€ with full local warranty.
Now I'm just waiting for my wallet cases which should arrive within a couple of days.

willi6868

2017-07-12 10:51

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1530425)

BTW, kernel 4.4 is now available. Although I'm sure Jolla won't use it, but maybe custom kernels will be available by community members

From last community meeting:

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Originally Posted by community meeting

08:53:59 <nh1402> sledges: I suppose the Xperia X port will use the older kernel and not the recently 4.x kernel
08:55:48 <sledges> nh1402: you suppose correctly
08:56:30 <nh1402> I suppose it won't be updated to the newer one in the future either then
08:56:51 <sledges> nh1402: i wouldn't suppose that;)

Jedibeeftrix

2017-07-12 11:07

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

why ever not?

nh1402

2017-07-12 11:10

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by willi6868 (Post 1530524)

From last community meeting:

you're welcome. ;)

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