Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1506203)

Making calls not sufficient enough of an answer?

Those things are long overdue to be replaced.

It will until it no longer can.

I think you meant treat, not threat.

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1506193)

What do you think is the goal with this phone? I mean I'm pretty sure most of the devices is bought by Jolla hardcore fans already using the first phone...

So the original gangster jPhone won't get anymore stable updates? Or what do they mean?

That would be a nice way to threat the community :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by anidel (Post 1506208)

So the fact that Google launched the 5X and 6P (or whatever it is called), means there's no Android support or updates for other phones?
Or that, because the 6P is ahead of the 5X, means the 5X won't get any support?

Not sure I understand your way of commenting here, or being destructive instead of constructive, or even why you're here in the first place if you don't like Jolla and their devices?

Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1506211)

I really need filters on this forum to not see Dave comments and some other persons too. tried to make script to filter dom nodes with dave comments, but this forum structure does not allow to do this :(

Originally Posted by clovis86 (Post 1506229)

specific country, really ????
Do you know how this is called ? :(

Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1506211)

I really need filters on this forum to not see Dave comments and some other persons too. tried to make script to filter dom nodes with dave comments, but this forum structure does not allow to do this :(

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1506237)

It is not possible to purchase the device but you can get it for free without a warranty by registering for the programme

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1506237)

for a fee of €169.

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1506237)

...this is merely a way of selling a device without a warranty disguised as a programme in order to cover their arses.

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1506237)

I never once thought that Jolla were trying to scam anyone with the tablet campaign. I can't really say the same anymore.

Originally Posted by Jolla

4. Why does the Program cost money? Some competitors offer developer programs for free.
As much as we would like to offer the Program for free, our current financial situation doesn’t allow this. However, we have pushed the Program fee as low as we could to keep the Program fairly priced for our community. Jolla is not making any profit with this price.

Originally Posted by Jolla

Together with the Sailfish India ecosystem partners we believe that we can provide an
exciting alternative for smartphone lovers in India and later globally as well.

Originally Posted by Win7Mac (Post 1506242)

Why so picky? After all, you're ordering a deice.

Originally Posted by Win7Mac (Post 1506242)

The price is €136.29 + your country tax.
Shipping to germany is free btw!

Originally Posted by Win7Mac (Post 1506242)

For a total of €162.19 I really don't care.
My current N9 was € 436 back in 2012, but that 's a very different story.

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1506244)

Yeah, what a scam, with the huge profit they have on the programme!



Sure, you could say it's just their claim, but the math really checks out.


Let me tell you the story as I remember it. The SailfishOS phone by Intex was announced one year ago with the announcement that once it reaches India, it will be available globally. Mind that it would be the first Intex device to go global, so all the warranty/service support by Intex would have to be created (and then train all their foreign partners with a completely different OS).



Shortly before that, Jolla quit the hardware business, so the availability of the device was an outcome of the agreement with Intex.

Later in 2015, Jolla almost went bankrupt, survived it, but since the original Intex phone was scheduled for the end of the year, many people expected the deal to be off, as Jolla was definitely not a stable partner at that time.

A pleasant surprise came this February before MWC in Barcelona, where at a Mer Meeting it was announced that the deal is still on, but it will be unfortunately limited to India only.


This was received with a disappointment in the community and many people called for Jolla to at least make a developer programme and ship few Intex devices to Europe. This seemed quite impossible - as mentioned above, there's no Intex warranty network outside of India, so servicing the devices would be unimaginably costly. Also the Intex phone is supposed to have advertising in the system, which would not be very welcome by Jolla's community.

Some Indian members of the community promised to try and send the devices from India (=no warranty), but people still begged Jolla to do this and ship it officially.


Now Jolla stepped up and heard those voices, but as Intex certainly plans to go global at some point (they had the plan one year ago and now appeared at MWC), it would hurt their brand if there were Intex phones sent outside of their market without any support. People could connect the "lack of support" and "Intex" and refuse to buy their phones once they officially expand their operation. That's certainly why Jolla went all the way to put their branding on it and offered it to the developer community. Without any profit, to keep the support for them alive. Remember that soon all original Jollas will be out of warranty and developers will not have anything to develop on (there are not many stable ports). Even if Fairphone and Turing phones get their official SailfishOS versions, they will still be in a drastically different price range.


Please consider the context before using the "scam" word. IMHO this operation is as far from scam as possible. Even if they made the profit, which they won't (let alone with only 1000 devices) they transparently published all terms, so there is no misinformation.

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1506249)

The thing is that you are not actually ordering a device, you are paying a fee for a programme.

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1506249)

That you've stated "you're ordering a deice" [sic], goes to show that it's entirely possible that some consumers may be mislead.

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1506249)

glad you're happy with your purchase and I hope others will be too. I'm sure that most buyers will not have an issue with it not having a warranty.

Originally Posted by Win7Mac (Post 1506251)

...

We'll see. Soon™ I guess.
And optimist as I am, I expect Jolla to have learned their lessons and deliver as announced this time.

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1506249)

The length of your reply suggests that I may have offended you by my post. I'm sorry, I did not intend to cause any upset.

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1506249)

If this is actually an Intex device then why not give people the opportunity to purchase it as a proper product with a warranty?

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1506249)

It doesn't look like they've learnt very much from the tablet fiasco. I hope that all programme members will go home happy but due to their execution of this programme, I feel like there's another round of ranting and raving coming from unhappy customers and Jolla have no one else to blame but themselves.

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1506255)

This thread should have been in off-topic long time ago and I don't want to feed it...

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1506255)

My academic background (or present in fact) pushes me to have my claims as cited as possible and you cannot do that in few sentences.

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1506255)

I thought I answered this in my reply quite well. Warranty isn't something that falls out of the sky - Jolla is not a HW company anymore, so they can't provide it. Intex doesn't have the infrastructure yet so they decided not to.

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1506255)

However, when you are criticizing that it is a developer programme, but it is open to everyone, how would you choose just the "real" developers?

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1506258)

It's good question. Other companies have offered devices to developers before, arguably they didn't choose them very well. I am a little surprised that they are including Alien Dalvik with this device as without it they probably would have attracted less fanboys, thus it might have ended up in the hands of more developers. Not to mention that it's likely that they had to pay a licence fee to Myriad which probably increased the programme fee.

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1506231)

Dude. Travel around countries and even areas of big countries will give you the same thing. News media in all countries ignore someone to paint a picture. Travel the world and you might find the differences intresting. Let's say. You will only talk to males one day, the next the only the only females. the conversion will differ from a mix and you will see patterns.

Let's say that you have want to read US posts for a week. Tell you a lot of that area.

Or this...http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=3959

Or you think it worse to single out and ignore a country than a single user?

Now what is this called?

I don't judge. Just asking.

Originally Posted by clovis86 (Post 1506282)

Just sayin' this is completely stupid to resume an ingore list to a specific country, but if this is you way of life dude, just do it.
You'll just take the risk to miss someone interesting, with a different point of view.
FYI, I also traveled a lot, and your "ignore list country" doesn' fit with someone used to a multicultural environnment, more with someone afraid of "the other" and that never leaved his beautiful country because evertyhing else isn't as good as what's done in his beloved country....
No offense :)
regards ...

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1506288)

You completly missing My point and the answer to your question. But hey, its irrelevant.
Have you got the money yet or do you donated to Jolla?

Originally Posted by jellyroll (Post 1506294)

@Dave999
Did you allready ordered a Jolla cPhone, cuz?

Originally Posted by jellyroll (Post 1506297)

I wouldn't buy anything from a scamming person or company but it could be fun if you gave them a second chance.

Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1506324)

I think there also a couple of other reasons for Jolla going about it in this fashion.

First of all, when the Intex device was launched (for that is what this is) there were Indian community members offering to re-ship them for non-Indian members. By doing this Jolla helps to take the burden off them. It should also be noted that enforcing the warranty with those devices from Intex, India might be very difficult for non-Indians - the Royal Mail in the UK state that the sending of mobile phones to India is prohibited [1] (it would be classed as an import, so you'd have to get special permission). You would also have to justify the postage costs (end-user > Indian community member > Intex and back), and even then I'm not even sure what the law regarding warranties is in India.

Secondly, as the vast majority of people who enter the program will already have a Jolla device, by having a decent-sized pool of experienced (with the OS) beta-testers, Jolla will be better able to iron out major bugs before they roll them out to the larger pool of retail devices in the Indian market.

I'd also hazard a guess that they'll sell as many complete batches of phones as they are able to without having to keep an inventory.


[1] http://www.royalmail.com/india

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1506369)

Anyone else...

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1506435)

Keep it on-topic folks, & ensure you're not purely trolling/other, but genuinely trying to engage in an intelligent/meaningful/purposeful discourse.
If you're persistently just trolling, & not adding anything of substance, you'll be sent on a break...
Before I can decide if someone has earned that special privilege, I need lots of reports from folks...

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1506441)

Can somebody show me how to ignore an entire thread?

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1506441)

Can somebody show me how to ignore an entire thread?

Originally Posted by tommo (Post 1506445)

Please don't go, it won't be the same without you.