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Re: N8 - More proof that Nokia is losing it

@Laughing Man: oh. I didn't mean to rag on their capability. As long as the extra capabilities don't consume unnecessary resources on the mobile device (screen estate, CPU, ram, disk space) and can be quietly hidden and tucked away to be recalled gracefully and efficiently then that's adequate.

But long long load times, sacrificing more than 25% of the screen to unoptimized interface, slow response time... Would suck on a mobile device.

Re: N8 - More proof that Nokia is losing it

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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 648118)

Can't you email files into Dropbox, Google Docs (not sure about the others)? Though I think with Google Docs at least you can upload stuff via PixelPipe also. As for accessing files from Dropbox I just use their website (or mobile website). The slowest part however is the downloading of the files (usually a specific word document I need). Since I have to click on it, then choose where to save it (although I could just throw everything into Documents if I wanted to be messy). I can imagine that if you were downloading multiple files it would be very cumbersome.

Although I use both Dropbox and SugarSync, I'm gravitating towards Sugarsync as it keeps multiple folders and their files "automagically" synchronised across a spread of computers - Mac and Windows - via the cloud. The Sugarsync iPhone/iPad app then provides access to all documents from wherever. Invaluable.

Earlier this week I was at a client and required a powerpoint and some excel files from an office pc that were in a folder that had not been added to Sugarsync. Using the iPhone LogMeIn app I remote controlled into the PC and added the folder into SugarSync. Three minutes later all the documents were available on my iPhone and available as a reference for our discussion. It was freeking impressive. Dude thought I came from another galaxy. (which I do of course :D)

Re: N8 - More proof that Nokia is losing it

Nokia fanbois - read this and weep.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-update2-.html

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Chief Executive Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo tried to convince shareholders today at the Finnish company’s annual meeting that Nokia, the world’s largest mobile-phone maker, will have new smartphones this year that will “help close the gap” with Apple Inc., Research In Motion Ltd.’s BlackBerry and devices based on Google Inc.’s Android software.

“Patience is running out and people are starting to worry about eroding brand value,” said Max Jul Pedersen, who helps manage $95 billion at Danske Capital in Copenhagen and is considering selling his Nokia shares. “Nokia has very little to show for their big research and development budget.”

Nokia, based in Espoo, Finland, spent almost six times as much as Apple on R&D last year, yet has failed to develop a device with the same mass appeal as the multi-application iPhone. The company’s shares have tumbled about 20 percent in the two weeks since it reported first-quarter earnings that missed analysts’ estimates, wiping out 8.2 billion euros ($10.5 billion) in market value.

Now 34 billion euros, or $44 billion, the company’s market capitalization compares with Cupertino, California-based Apple’s $230 billion, and is a shadow of its 1999 peak of 203 billion euros, the highest of any European company.

Now go back and read Eldar Murtazin's comments. It all fits together perfectly - just like a puzzle.

There are only so many excuses you can make for Nokia.

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Originally Posted by Hintry (Post 648355)

Now go back and read Eldar Murtazin's comments. It all fits together perfectly - just like a puzzle.

I couldn't care less if Nokia is to disappear from the face of the Earth tomorrow, and same goes for any other company, that still won't make Eldar any less of a tool he already is...

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I've seen this statement in another article, but it would be nice if someone could normalize this data for me:

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"Still, Nokia will have to be swifter and more nimble to keep up with rivals, investors said. Nokia’s annual R&D budget of about $7.7 billion is 14 percent of revenue, compared with Apple’s spending of $1.3 billion, or 3 percent of sales. Nokia’s expenditure also includes figures for its networks division."

In this context, is revenue the same as sales?
What Nokia R&D budget? Phone and networks only?
14% of what Nokia revenue? Phone and networks only?
What exactly is Nokia's networks division?
3% of what Apple R&D budget? Phone only?
What Apple sales? Phone only?
Does it matter?

For stupid ol' me, this paragraph raises more questions than it answers.

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 648740)

For stupid ol' me, this paragraph raises more questions than it answers.

It's a fine example of tweaking stats to make 'em say what you want 'em to say.

Re: N8 - More proof that Nokia is losing it

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Originally Posted by Crashdamage (Post 648747)

It's a fine example of tweaking stats to make 'em say what you want 'em to say.

"They've done studies you know.. 60 percent of the time, it works every time..." :D

Re: N8 - More proof that Nokia is losing it

Amazing how many economy experts have managed to find their way into this thread :eek:

Unfortunately I can't stand the smell of brainfarts so please give me a call when Nokia actually loses it since all your ranting is totally obsolete.

Nokia "has already lost it, numerous times" to Motorola & Sony-Erricson so far... or have they? :rolleyes:

Conclusion:

The history has a way of repeating itself and this is my impression of you guys:

http://jaggedsmile.files.wordpress.c...doomsayer1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Bec (Post 649140)

It doesn't require an economy expert... In 2007 Nokia's market capitalisation was over $150 billion. Today it is $40B and worsening. Nokia's share price has tumbled by the same ratio.

Nokia - Market Cap to R&D%
http://ycharts.com/companies/NOK/mar...d_d_percentage
Apple - Market Cap to R&D%
http://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/ma...d_d_percentage

What more proof of a company's decline do you need?

Re: N8 - More proof that Nokia is losing it

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Unfortunately I can't stand the smell of brainfarts so please give me a call when Nokia actually loses it since all your ranting is totally obsolete.

Nokia "has already lost it, numerous times" to Motorola & Sony-Erricson so far... or have they?

Yeah don't forget to look back also, these numbers fluctuate in between huge intervals of time thus disproving your point.

As far as I know apple has barely withdrawn the support for 2G although the device still sells (that to blow the "wow, one phone only myth").

And to conclude apple has sold in the past 3 years ~70 million devices (or so they claim) that including 2G and 3G buybacks.
Nokia has sold ~70mil smartphones last year only + another 400million simple phones => if things were really to go down there's be no issue to keep Symbian and Maemo afloat due to a huge continuously increasing profit, no debts and huge bank deposits.

As for stock and investors perhaps you'd like to see how that relates to advertising and how much nokia is spending on that?
Or perhaps looking back on how poor apple was doing you could believe this is just a lucky fluctuation & they'll drop below 0 with useless products like iPad and lack of innovation.
Then again you could look at Nokia's steady past and expect them to grow;)

Another proof is the development of Maemo which was a niche device aimed at a very small market and selling in 3-4 countries around the world. That's quite excentric of someone with a decreasing profit, to research and build a device for a handful of people, don't you think?

So seriously, don't bother to find arguments for me and quote someone else ;)

You may quote me though when:

Somebody manages to outsell nokia (by shall we say 20 million smartphones)
Stock price is 0
Symbian or Meego get canceled
And any of the above for more than 2 years in a row (seen how Sony rose later? from the dead I tell you ;))